Does sex and violence alone prove something is "mature"

[Bronan]

Gratuitous violence and sex in movies and cartoons only appeal to the immature audience (more or less biologically). You don't need to have guts and porn in your project, for it to be great.

[Techno-Druid]

Avatar and adventure time aren't mature. They have some mature jokes and themes sure, but they're targeted at a young audience, that kinda makes them immature by nature. I'm not saying that is bad or that it undermines the artistic integrity of those shows, but sometimes adults want to have fun and not take things seriously in a way that children can't and possibly shouldn't enjoy.

Adventure Time is a bad example in retrospect, but Avatar the Last Airbender deals with topics like genocide and imperialism. It's sequel series Legend of Korra deals with themes such as communism, theocracy, anarchism and fascism.

My point is that many 'mature shows' aren't very mature, they throw out mature shock humor to try and appear edgy but mostly end up being immature.

[burzian]

Violence and sex have nothing to do with how "mature" a piece of entertainment is, but neither does art style. It seems like you just want permission/backup on saying animation is for kids, but unfortunately there's a lot more nuance than that. Sorry.

[Techno-Druid]

Gratuitous violence and sex in movies and cartoons only appeal to the immature audience (more or less biologically). You don't need to have guts and porn in your project, for it to be great.

This is basically what I'm saying.

[Katchii]

It's not necessarily even about mature vs immature it's the content in the show and whether it's appropriate for children to watch or not.

Not really sure how you can say that an anime full of sex, violence, strong language and other things that would get a movie rated PG-13 or higher is aimed at children.

Whether the story and concepts covered in the anime is mature or not is largely irrelevant when it comes to rating.

[Seirith]

I hate when people feel that just because something is animated such as anime, Disney, Pixar etc that is is for children or is childish. I don't care if something is "mature" or not, if I like something, I like it. I like a lot of Disney movies, Pixar movies and anime. Obviously, some animated shows are aimed at children, like Paw Patrol or Caliou where as others are for any age like Toy Story. I can like anime like Sailor Moon and Death Note, two very different anime.

I tend not to care what others think of what I like. If they find it childish, it is on them not me, they are missing out on something while I am not.

[Kithelle]

Pretty much yeah. I don't know what direction Simpsons is taking anymore (it used to be mellow in tone all things considered) but the humor in Family Guy is outrageously childish, I don't know what else you could paint it as.

Because I'm sure children understand those jokes so well? I'm sure all of the parents rushed to watch Sausage Party with the children....you know because it's animated it's for kids...am I right?

[YUPPIE]

Because I'm sure children understand those jokes so well? I'm sure all of the parents rushed to watch Sausage Party with the children....you know because it's animated it's for kids...am I right?

This is what I'm frustrated with from your example. Sausage Party's crude humor is inherently childish and immature (which is among the reasons it's so reviled) but I can't stand the fact that based on that alone, it's supposedly not for kids and supposed to be set as an example for "adult animation." It pissed people like me off more than anything that it tries to demonstrate animation is not for kids with swearing and sexual humor and nothing else.

I desire something with meaningful substance and themes that older audiences can relate to at heart, not something meaningless layered under piles of gore, sex, and swearing and demanding to be taken seriously because of that.

[Mistame]

Meh. I mean, "mature" usually references the target audience, not necessarily the content. And to say that adults who watch cartoons, etc, are less mature is just silly. It's entertainment. Watch what you want and fuck everyone else. That said, not particularly a fan of anime. They look like chinless Down's babies.

[Bronan]

Because I'm sure children understand those jokes so well? I'm sure all of the parents rushed to watch Sausage Party with the children....you know because it's animated it's for kids...am I right?

TBH until the porn at the end, I thought it was a pretty standard Pixar crap with a little bit of gore.