Mythic raiding guild that uses dkp? Anyone?

[Onikaroshi]

By spamming m+ and getting gear that way, you're indirectly gaining EP by not spending it on raid items that you would have spent on if you weren't gaining items OUTSIDE of the raid, that's why almost no one uses that outdated system anymore because it rewards people who spam m+/other modes and punishes those who don't by having them spend more.
No you don't have to ask for ''all the loot'' to be considered a loot whore, just feeling entitled to getting raid loot because of some outside of raid activities is enough.
Oh and you know another way of ''further progressing your character''? Giving the guild you're supposed to be a part of the highest chance of success by balancing it gear-wise, and by doing so killing bosses earlier than you would have by being a greedy loot hoe, and then gaining access to better gear from the later bosses.

"Better gear from later bosses" isn't really a thing though. Everyone who was there for a boss kill is equally entitled to loot from the boss, for most mythic guilds anyway. Sure if you're top 50, MAYBE top 100 you can swing towards gearing certain people, but for everyone else you're probably better off gearing the whole raid and not just your top 5.

Loot is part of the game, loot is why many people who aren't pushing WF or top 50 play, sure there's people like you out there who could seem to care less if they get anything in a raid, but most people do care.

[Deleted]

Funny you would use ''level playing field'' when that's basically what loot council is, an even playing field in the raid that doesn't reward people for outside of raid activities but gives it to the ones that would benefit the most, unlike epgp which would screw over people who don't spam as much m+ as you or weren't as lucky, they would suffer the entire tier being behind on gear never getting stuff from that one new boss you just manged to kill. So at the end of the day you would make the raid weaker for your own minor benefit which does make you a petty loot whore.

No they wouldnt! they would get more because the geared guy who spammed m+ doesnt need most the stuff he needs! you are god damn blind.

Having geared m+ guys in your raid is nothing but a BENEFIT! to the gearing of your raid, but instead they are PENALISED for coming to raid with good gear.

What your saying is i have to attend raid in my op gear and carry the slackers untill they become more geared than me then i can get something, its horse shit mate. if i dont do this im not playing for the team and i am a loot hoe, open your eyes and you might just get a few more players in your cores guys, jesus christ on a bike.

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"Better gear from later bosses" isn't really a thing though. Everyone who was there for a boss kill is equally entitled to loot from the boss, for most mythic guilds anyway. Sure if you're top 50, MAYBE top 100 you can swing towards gearing certain people, but for everyone else you're probably better off gearing the whole raid and not just your top 5.

Loot is part of the game, loot is why many people who aren't pushing WF or top 50 play, sure there's people like you out there who could seem to care less if they get anything in a raid, but most people do care.

Yes, they speak as if an upgrade for a geared guy isnt an upgrade for the team, it is still an upgrade for the team whether the geared guy gets an upgrade or the low geared guy.

I never asked for anything, i never expected anything, i can take no on loot, it doesnt bother me the 1st time, the 20th time, the 100th time, but the 101th time i might just say to myself hang on, why am i even cancelling irl football to play this game? my toon is exactly the same whether i attend the raid or not.

What people really cant get there head around is the amount of items m+ spammers pass on, every single one of my items is MINIMUM 945+ so anything that drops 945 and in some slots 950/955/960/965/970 most items get passed on, instead of not farming, being 920/930 and needing, taking it off the other players? its easy for corrupt councils who want to only gear there mates to turn around and say loot whore, not realising they are cutting there nose off to spite there face by giving the 960+ player no reason to attend your raids.

[Onikaroshi]

No they wouldnt! they would get more because the geared guy who spammed m+ doesnt need most the stuff he needs! you are god damn blind.

Having geared m+ guys in your raid is nothing but a BENEFIT! to the gearing of your raid, but instead they are PENALISED for coming to raid with good gear.

What your saying is i have to attend raid in my op gear and carry the slackers untill they become more geared than me then i can get something, its horse shit mate. if i dont do this im not playing for the team and i am a loot hoe, open your eyes and you might just get a few more players in your cores guys, jesus christ on a bike.

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Yes, they speak as if an upgrade for a geared guy isnt an upgrade for the team, it is still an upgrade for the team whether the geared guy gets an upgrade or the low geared guy.

What people really cant get there head around is the amount of items m+ spammers pass on, every single one of my items is MINIMUM 945+ so anything that drops 945 i pass on, instead of not farming, being 920/930 and needing, taking it off the other players? its easy for corrupt councils who want to only gear there mates to turn around and say loot whore, not realising they are cutting there nose off to spite there face by giving the 960+ player no reason to attend your raids.

Very valid point, if say... a 960 trinket comes up and two people express interest in it as their BiS, one with a 945 WF from last tier 3rd BiS because they only raid and one with a 960 5th BiS from M+, who do you think will get it flat out most of the time....

[Deleted]

Very valid point, if say... a 960 trinket comes up and two people express interest in it as their BiS, one with a 945 WF from last tier 3rd BiS because they only raid and one with a 960 5th BiS from M+, who do you think will get it flat out most of the time....

That is an amazing example. m+ farmer gets penalised. slacker gets rewarded.

[Djanco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q64XMPq6hig
scroll to about 16 minutes in and there's a pretty good rundown on why dkp is shit garbage

[anaxie]

A team oriented game doesnt cater to the individual. Crybaby op

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That is an amazing example. m+ farmer gets penalised. slacker gets rewarded.

And the team overall is stronger. Which is the fucking point

[Deleted]

A team oriented game doesnt cater to the individual. Crybaby op

Who are you to tell me what the game i play caters for? who are you to tell me why i should play? what i should enjoy? most likely an entitled corrupt council member

[RayenDark]

I dont know the first thing about tanking, but i do know how bars move.... he is spikey.

o.0 Just letting you know...a good bear will have as close to 100% up time on Ironfur if they are taking physical/damage in general. Less than 25% isn't even taking that's sitting there... in bear form...that bear is trash beyond levels I cannot comprehend.

[Deleted]

A team oriented game doesnt cater to the individual. Crybaby op

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And the team overall is stronger. Which is the fucking point

But the point is that loot council is meant to be for the "good of the team" but like you have just completely and utterly missed, the item going to the slacker actually wasnt the best solution, the upgrade was a bigger one for the guy with 960 as he had 5th bis, where the 945 guy had 3rd bis

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o.0 Just letting you know...a good bear will have as close to 100% up time on Ironfur if they are taking physical/damage in general. Less than 25% isn't even taking that's sitting there... in bear form...

Yes. i carried his ass, big time, as you can see by my regrowth being my top healing spell, changed my build to suit the fact he was dieing all the time, but hey, im just a m+ spammer loot hoe crybaby that isnt worth a damn. i more than contributed to that kill.

[anaxie]

Who are you to tell me what the game i play caters for? who are you to tell me why i should play? what i should enjoy? most likely an entitled corrupt council member

I dont even play but yes lets point fingers and make assumptions and cry wolf like the entitled whaaa baby your claim not to be

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But the point is that loot council is meant to be for the "good of the team" but like you have just completely and utterly missed, the item going to the slacker actually wasnt the best solution, the upgrade was a bigger one for the guy with 960 as he had 5th bis, where the 945 guy had 3rd bis

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Yes. i carried his ass, big time, as you can see by my regrowth being my top healing spell, changed my build to suit the fact he was dieing all the time, but hey, im just a m+ spammer loot hoe crybaby that isnt worth a damn. i more than contributed to that kill.

Sounds like the slacker is mr 960 5th bis

Also how can you gauge effort with an items lvl this game is nothing but a casino diceroll. Nice going

I wouldnt give you loot either i can only imagine what shitty personality you present in raids if this is the finger pointing and whimpering you do on forums

[hollafame]

"What's best for the guild," sounds like you'd be indirectly punished by trying to gear your character in mythic + because having the inflated ilvl would mean your tier pieces are going to other people who need them more, i.e. didn't try as hard. The game we play in these days lul. Not sure why caring about getting loot is such a bad thing.

[Deleted]

[QUOTE=anaxie;48442292]I dont even play but yes lets point fingers and make assumptions and cry wolf like the entitled whaaa baby your claim not to be

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Who pointed fingers and made assumptions first?

[Onikaroshi]

Sounds like the slacker is mr 960 5th bis

Also how can you gauge effort with an items lvl this game is nothing but a casino diceroll. Nice going

The 960 is far from the slacker, you can have a situation where a 930 version of a trinket is slightly worse then the 960 trinket but the 945 trinket would be better, so therefore the 960 new trinket would be a bigger upgrade for the guy with the 960. But most of the time the 5ish members of the loot council aren't going to know that, they aren't going to research trinket rankings for EVERY class, they're just going to go off ilvl and be done, so therefore the raid loses out.

Whole point is though, the M+ guys have a tendency of putting in more work to see less reward out of raiding in general, so it's nice to be able to snag something when they actually NEED it.

[anaxie]

[QUOTE=odamienski;48442317]

I dont even play but yes lets point fingers and make assumptions and cry wolf like the entitled whaaa baby your claim not to be

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Who pointed fingers and made assumptions first?

I dont have to make assumptions when you are parading around like a hot mess. You however are chalk full of assumptions

[Deleted]

"What's best for the guild," sounds like you'd be indirectly punished by trying to gear your character in mythic + because having the inflated ilvl would mean your tier pieces are going to other people who need them more, i.e. didn't try as hard. The game we play in these days lul. Not sure why caring about getting loot is such a bad thing.

Like the guy said previously, guy with 945 3rd bis item would win 9/10 times over guy with 960 5th bis, loot council is horse shit unless its done by the right people in world rank sub 100.

[anaxie]

Like the guy said previously, guy with 945 3rd bis item would win 9/10 times over guy with 960 5th bis, loot council is horse shit unless its done by the right people in world rank sub 100.

Maybe mr 945 is just a better player then you.

[Deleted]

[QUOTE=anaxie;48442331]

I dont have to make assumptions when you are parading around like a hot mess. You however are chalk full of assumptions

You did though, you came in and called me a crybaby, im not a crybaby, im making a point about why loot council is not in most cases the best distribution method, you just proved it by completely overseeing the point that the guy before made.

960 trink drops bis for 2 players
player 1 has 945 3rd bis
player 2 has 960 5th bis
Players 1 wins because it appears its for the good of the guild.

The game is a lot deeper than ilvl for casuals to be running around deciding who should get what. world rank 1-500 sure, im sure they know there stuff and would recognise the above, dont tell me a world rank 2000 guild officer would know this, probly dont even know half the specs.

[Garybear]

my guild just uses personal loot, i figured thats all anyone uses nowadays.

[Deleted]

Maybe mr 945 is just a better player then you.

Is that another assumption?

[anaxie]

[QUOTE=odamienski;48442347]

You did though, you came in and called me a crybaby, im not a crybaby, im making a point about why loot council is not in most cases the best distribution method, you just proved it by completely overseeing the point that the guy before made.

960 trink drops bis for 2 players
player 1 has 945 3rd bis
player 2 has 960 5th bis
Players 1 wins because it appears its for the good of the guild.

The game is a lot deeper than ilvl for casuals to be running around deciding who should get what. world rank 1-500 sure, im sure they know there stuff and would recognise the above, dont tell me a world rank 2000 guild officer would know this, probly dont even know half the specs.

Your crying right now about being called a crybaby