Major bombshell coming from house intelligence memo regarding Fusion GPS and Russia.

[Ripster42]

Because they aren't relevant. They would only BE relevant if there was any evidence that Steele had manufactured or edited the information within the dossier to pursue a partisan goal, a claim for which there's never been any evidence. The dossier wasn't what he was providing to the Democrats. It was his own collation of the evidence he'd uncovered in his investigation.

Well, sure, it's not relevant, but it's also been reported that the judge did know the dossier was politically motivated:

The F.B.I. told the court that the information it received from Mr. Steele was politically motivated, although the agency did not specifically identify the information as financed by Democrats, according to two people familiar with the Democratic memo.

[Dacien]

Red State was similarly throwing cold-water on the memo due to a very obviously, publicly verifiable factual inaccuracy in it as well - https://www.redstate.com/patterico/2...lity-question/

It's bad when even media who have been towing the conservative line and promoting their conspiracies are turning on this memo.

I think it demonstrates the tendency of conservatives toward accuracy.

[alexw]

lol @ the mass astroturphing ITT. For the many people here who probably won't read it:

- The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

- Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

- The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

- DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

- Steele released the phony dossier to media outlets, and then media reporting was used as evidence of credibility to justify warrant (including a Yahoo article of all things).

- Said illegitimate FISA warrant was then used to spy on Trump and Trump campaign officials, and even after he won was used to for spying/unmasking purposes in order to continue to undermine an incoming Presidential Administration.

Just LOL.

So an ex-MI6 agent discovers that Trump is compromised by and owned by Russian intelligence, to such an extent that he is absolutely desperate that that Russian asset not be made president. Now because he doesn't want a Russian asset made leader of the free world, according to the Trumpists that must mean he is biased.

I mean, honestly you could not make this shit up could you?

[Thekri]

I think it demonstrates the tendency of conservatives toward accuracy.

I have not felt this disturbance in the force in many years. As if one conservative voice cried out "Bullshit" and was quickly silenced.

These days any conservative that speaks out against the great Pumpkin is branded liberal. A lot of people have called me a liberal on this forum, because they can't grasp the concept of having standards and morals, but still being a conservative. Although, to be fair I haven't been using the term "Conservative" to describe myself lately either, to many treasonous connotations to that these days.

[Edge-]

I think it demonstrates the tendency of conservatives toward accuracy.

...how? Because Nunes, the author of the memo, made such a brazenly stupid lie in trying to push his dishonest narrative? Which causes even those who would normally be sympathetic (Red State) to call into question the broader memo?

I'm not seeing it, dude.

[Machismo]

I think it demonstrates the tendency of conservatives toward accuracy.

I'm wondering if you actually typed that with a straight face.

[Dacien]

I have not felt this disturbance in the force in many years. As if one conservative voice cried out "Bullshit" and was quickly silenced.

These days any conservative that speaks out against the great Pumpkin is branded liberal. A lot of people have called me a liberal on this forum, because they can't grasp the concept of having standards and morals, but still being a conservative. Although, to be fair I haven't been using the term "Conservative" to describe myself lately either, to many treasonous connotations to that these days.

Well, I disagree with Skroe on his stance, and I've watched him get labeled a leftist, a liberal, a faux-conservative, and that's... pretty crummy. Because the people saying that don't understand where he's coming from, his point of reference. Just because some people like to throw inaccurate labels around because they don't like what was said is no reason to write off all conservatives who have a better understanding and don't do that.

[alexw]

I'm pretty sure there's a high risk of early onset dementia when you access that site.

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Haha, oh man. How appropriate and unsurprising it is that @Tijuana was getting his marching orders from that place. It's always fun to watch people who have limited understanding of the facts and concepts they choose to play with, yet attempt to lecture others on them.

So. Perfect.

Ahh that explains how TJ went batshit insane. I remember him before the 2016 election and he was pretty far right wing but he had not yet gone into batshit insane territory.

Let that be a lesson to you boys and girls. If you value your mental health stay away from the toxic sewer know as The_Donald, or if you must partake don't inhale.

[Sky High]

If this memo is the reason Trump goes after the FBI, Rosenstein, or Mueller then GG the idiot didn’t even make it half way through his term.

[Thekri]

If this memo is the reason Trump goes after the FBI, Rosenstein, or Mueller then GG the idiot didn’t even make it half way through his term.

I kind of hope Trump thinks this memo will let him make those moves, because it won't work at all. For one thing, I guarantee Mueller has a deadmans switch by this point. A consolidated packet of all the evidence, indictments, sources, and conclusions he has come up with so far. That packet would destroy a lot of people, I doubt Mueller has been idle since he bagged Flynn (Who is cooperating... so he is ratting out somebody)

[Jeezy911]

It looks like Comey could be the first chip to fall, he could be charged with perjury tomorrow.

[Orbitus]

#Vindicated



Holy crap.

Wow, vindicated for what? So far, this is NOTHING but a fucking dud. And the origins of the dossier mean NOTHING, especially since they were started by REPUBLICANS. Jesus tap dancing christ.

[Shadowmelded]

Oh great, we get to do this all over again.

[Machismo]

It looks like Comey could be the first chip to fall, he could be charged with perjury tomorrow.

Do you have any evidence to back it up? You continue to make baseless claims, that amounts to no more than conspiracy theories.

[Kiri]

If this memo is the reason Trump goes after the FBI, Rosenstein, or Mueller then GG the idiot didn’t even make it half way through his term.

Mind you, that only applies as long as Trump and his opponents are playing the same game. We already have him moving against his supposed checks and balances without repercussions. Trump being subpoena'd or even impeached would do little if he can ignore it.

[Orbitus]

New drinking game: every time Tijuana is asked to back up an unfounded accusation/conclusion AND doesn't, take a drink.

You would be dead in 1 page of any thread he posts in since he never sources any material he states.

[Dacien]

Wow, vindicated for what? So far, this is NOTHING but a fucking dud. And the origins of the dossier mean NOTHING, especially since they were started by REPUBLICANS. Jesus tap dancing christ.

I'm just going to have to start copy/pasting at this point. It looks dismissive and rude, but I just can't be asked anymore:

Not true.

The Steele dossier was compiled entirely by Christopher Steele's own humint starting in June 2016, during which time Hillary and the DNC were paying the bills.

A conservative group hired Fusion GPS to begin oppo research into Trump, but after they dropped Fusion GPS, and Hillary and the DNC picked them up, Fusion hired Steele, who then went on to produce his dossier. There is no connection between the dossier and any conservative group.

Now, if Steele had been hired by Fusion GPS while being funded by conservatives, then the conservatives dropped Fusion and Hillary and the DNC picked them back up, then your claim would have merit.

Alternatively, if the Steele dossier contained intel that was gathered while conservatives were paying the bills, then you'd be on solid ground as well with your claim. But we know the Steele dossier was comprised entirely of his intelligence gathering "reports" starting in June 2016.

It would be like Group A hiring a law firm to sue someone, and then dropping the lawsuit, and then Group B hires the same law firm to sue the same guy, and produces new evidence. It would not be accurate to say that Group A was originally behind the new evidence simply because they used the same law firm targeting the same guy. Fusion GPS had many diverse clients, they even had associates offering dirt on Hillary to members of the Trump team at the same time they were employed by Hillary to dig up dirt on Trump.

[Sky High]

Do you have any evidence to back it up? You continue to make baseless claims, that amounts to no more than conspiracy theories.

I’m pretty sure his brain is hemorrhaging in several places at this point, noting left but grand delusions.

[Casterbridge]

Well, sure, it's not relevant, but it's also been reported that the judge did know the dossier was politically motivated:

so wait part of the memo has already been shown to being highly deceptive if not outright false?

[Jeezy911]

Do you have any evidence to back it up? You continue to make baseless claims, that amounts to no more than conspiracy theories.

He testified under oath that the dossier was "salacious and unverified" to congress only to find out that he signed off on it to the FISA court beforehand.