US Federal Government Shutdown

[Theodarzna]

We are going to be back here again in 3 weeks.

Perhaps. I am wondering why not just do it now?

[Draco-Onis]

Perhaps. I am wondering why not just do it now?

Political theater to make republicans look worse not fond of it to be honest.

[Theodarzna]

Political theater to make republicans look worse not fond of it to be honest.

I'm not seeing how it makes them worse considering the number of Democrats own constituency who is viewing this as a sellout and cave in.

[Draco-Onis]

I'm not seeing how it makes them worse considering the number of Democrats own constituency who is viewing this as a sellout and cave in.

Either forcing republicans to vote against DACA on the record or look like sniveling liars for going back on their word publicly. However this plays out this will be the way the government is run now drama every 1 - 3 months until one party controls everything or the super majority rule is changed.

[PACOX]

Perhaps. I am wondering why not just do it now?

The GOP is out of bills to waive in front of the public to distract from their failure of getting a budget passed. This time it comes with a DACA bow attached to it. Their lies out in the open for all to see. Come election season the Dems will voters of the time the GOP went back on their word and caused a "more bigly" shutdown.

[Mormolyce]

I think we all know by now that polls are useless.

Only if you perform them badly or misinterpret them.

Statistician is a job for precisely that reason in fact.

[Allybeboba]

Monday doesn't exist in your calendar?

Government came online today barely halfway through my friend.
I suppose you could count today though. Although, people were paid for today.

Cheers

[Theodarzna]

Either forcing republicans to vote against DACA on the record or look like sniveling liars for going back on their word publicly. However this plays out this will be the way the government is run now drama every 1 - 3 months until one party controls everything or the super majority rule is changed.

Voting against DACA isn't likely to harm them.

Plus them reneging on it works both ways. The Democrats look bad for being dumb enough to trust that promise.

[Allybeboba]

Maybe Ally has the Trump work schedule.


Wouldn't surprise me if he imitated his idol. He's adopted some other tendencies from him.

If only....

We are going to be back here again in 3 weeks.

Couldn’t agree more.

Cheers

[Draco-Onis]

Government came online today barely halfway through my friend.
I suppose you could count today though. People were paid for today.

Cheers

That's not how it works your attempt at making this look better is sad, the services were closed for Monday they reached a deal late in the work day. I know you are not serious but it's getting pathetic now.

[Theodarzna]

Government came online today barely halfway through my friend.
I suppose you could count today though. People were paid for today.

Cheers

Seriously, you know ending every post with "cheers" is really passive-aggressive and obnoxious when you don't plan on leaving a thread.

[Mormolyce]

I dont agree with letting the GOP so easily but it was a tactical move. It allows workers to be paid while the Senate gets its shit together. A pay day before this shutdown and a payday before the next (should it probably happen).

Is it just me, or are a lot of commenters missing the key piece of negotiation - CHIP? As far as I can tell, CHIP was the one piece of ammunition the Republicans were trying to use, and the Democrats gave them three weeks of temporary funding BUT fully funded CHIP.

So sure, nobody believes McConnell's bullshit promise. But three weeks from now when the temporary funding dries up, we'll be back to square one - with one important detail, the Republicans won't be able to hold CHIP hostage anymore.

Presumably what the Republicans get out of this is breathing space and the shutdown monkey off their back in the short term. Really seems like an illusory victory.

[Elegiac]

Voting against DACA isn't likely to harm them.

Considering the popularity of granting DACA recipients amnesty, no.

Plus them reneging on it works both ways. The Democrats look bad for being dumb enough to trust that promise.

Bad faith is generally more despicable to a public not known for its political cunning than gullibility.

And what makes the Democrats look bad -to you- is not reflective of public opinion, especially considering your bias and willingness to blatantly lie for the sake of it.

[Draco-Onis]

Voting against DACA isn't likely to harm them.

Plus them reneging on it works both ways. The Democrats look bad for being dumb enough to trust that promise.

It's not really for republicans it's to activate their base and independents for the elections again we will most likely be back here again months after that for another political score card. I am sick of this dysfunction but republicans started this insanity under Obama so they are basically reaping what they sow. If republicans are insane enough to get rid of the super majority rule they know they will be so screwed they may as well not show up when they are in the minority. I really miss the days when there was compromise but there is no going back after Trump.

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Seriously, you know ending every post with "cheers" is really passive-aggressive and obnoxious when you don't plan on leaving a thread.

I think that is the point

[alexw]

I dont agree with letting the GOP so easily but it was a tactical move. It allows workers to be paid while the Senate gets its shit together. A pay day before this shutdown and a payday before the next (should it probably happen).

Seeing Trump diehards spouting Russian bot propaganda is pretty amusing though. For the sake of your own side, please stop. Youre not helping your own cause and you're not hurting others.

McConnell is backed into a corner because the next deadline will be worse. He threw away his first chance, rhe Dems gave him this one to see if he'll string his ownself up.

He has two choices, entertain a clean bill on DACA (I dont like this move but its part of the long game that the Dems have chose) while bringing Dems to the budget, renege give the Dems to completly back out of any deals and put all the blame of next shut down on him - citing the deal he made (in the former) that the Dems would give him a budge IFF gives DACA a real chance.

So to sum.it up one more time

Scenario A) McConnell stays true to his word, trades getting his budget for a clean DACA bill.

Scenario B) McConnell doesn't give DACA a chance, he assumes the weight of the next shutdown. More importantly is seen as a liar (this is where O think the Dems miscalculated because the GOP really doesnt give a fuck about how people perceive them).

It'll probably pass the senate but the big question is what happens after that. If the republicans in the house or Trump himself torpedoes it at that point there'll be another shutdown, but this time the optics will be absolutely terrible for republicans. They'll have basically reneged on the deal they made to end this shutdown in full view of everyone. They can technically say they didn't promise to pass it only to consider it in good faith but that isn't going to wash well with the average voter. It would be using a technicality as a get out and looks incredibly conniving. However if they do pass it much of the Trump base will go ballistic. But that's what you get for tying yourself to racists, xenophobes, and other deplorables.

[Draco-Onis]

Wrong.

The shut down isn't even over until Trump signs the deal.

I would laugh my ass off if Trump refuses to sign it.

[Theodarzna]

It's not really for republicans it's to activate their base and independents for the elections again we will most likely be back here again months after that for another political score card. I am sick of this dysfunction but republicans started this insanity under Obama so they are basically reaping what they sow. If republicans are insane enough to get rid of the super majority rule they know they will be so screwed they may as well not show up when they are in the minority. I really miss the days when there was compromise but there is no going back after Trump.

I wouldn't have trusted the GOP any further than my noodly arms could throw Chris Christie in this respect.

I feel like they let slip a golden opportunity to demand anything they wanted. Up until today I did think they would likely force DACA through or at least force Trump to either sign it or actually shut the government down himself. I'm of the opinion they shouldn't trust the GOP at their word since that is frequently been shown to be worthless of the Obama era is any precedent.

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I think that is the point

It has to be deliberate.

[Draco-Onis]

I wouldn't have trusted the GOP any further than my noodly arms could throw Chris Christie in this respect.

I feel like they let slip a golden opportunity to demand anything they wanted. Up until today I did think they would likely force DACA through or at least force Trump to either sign it or actually shut the government down himself. I'm of the opinion they shouldn't trust the GOP at their word since that is frequently been shown to be worthless of the Obama era is any precedent.

I agree it's a gamble for sure but we are just getting started long term government funding seems to be a thing of the past now so we are going to keep doing this dance all year long. It will probably be even uglier during the midterm probably have a long shutdown then.

[Allybeboba]

I would laugh my ass off if Trump refuses to sign it.

I think at that point we would know where the “fault” truly lies if that actually happens.

Cheers

[Theodarzna]

I agree it's a gamble for sure but we are just getting started long term government funding seems to be a thing of the past now so we are going to keep doing this dance all year long.

When was the last time the government had long-term funding? I feel like not since Bush was president has that happened. Or at least not since 2010.