Notice how we went from the failures of the Republican Party inability to govern without hostage taking (including a 50% success rate using fucking budget reconciliation) to quibbling about polls.
Pretty hilarious.
What I find amazing about this government shutdown is how many people somehow come to the deluded idea that this can in any way be other than a Republican caused shutdown.
Specifically - how they can ignore Trump's total incompetence in the last 2 weeks that led undeniably to this shutdown.
Even Mitch McConnell said as much:
“I'm looking for something that President Trump supports, and he has not yet indicated what measure he is willing to sign,” McConnell said. “As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels.”
How does one compete against that level of ignorance of the documented, televised and absolute facts demonstrated here.
Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.
What constantly gets me though is that the GOP ultimately did this to themselves.
Basically, they "backed" ending the DACA so they could use it as a bargaining chip to work with Dems to get more border funding. The Democrats agreed to go along, so long as things like the DACA ended up as law, and they had a bipartisan compromise that Trump promised to sign if it were brought to him by both parties.
.....then Trump refused to sign it at the 11th hour and said no wall no signature. The whole thing was orchestrated political theater by the GOP and Trump basically, the way I put it in the other thread, shot their boat full of holes after previously promising them safe passage.
Now the senate GOP isn't even trying to compromise because Trump's word is meaningless therefore Dems have no reason to negotiate or make concessions and the GOP have no leverage on the situation at all to get them to the table. Senators on both sides have been calling Trump out for this as well as he's basically upending the system and he can and will torpedo anything he wants. Then we get to the House and they're basically infighting over which weapon they want to use to kill themselves because they're stuck between supporting Trump and getting crushed by Dems in their states/districts or compromising and getting primaried.
Maybe it's time for proportional representation or just a 3rd party in the houses to take advantage of the chaos when two parties start slinging shit at each other. It can't get any worse with these new standards. But the presidency is too much power for one man and also part of the reason to the chaos shown by this situation. When a single man can single-handedly shut down government you have an issue.
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If you knew the candle was fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago.
Breaks my heart that people keep ignoring facts like this just to make up whatever they want, the only one who wasn't happy was trump, he single-handedly shut the government down by refusing the bipartsian compromises. Not the republicans or democrats but trump himself did this.
I don't agree with the Democrats on this.
The optics of this is that the Democratic party are willing to shut down the government for immigration policy regarding many non citizens of the US but not on tax policy where all US citizens participate in some fashion.
This isn't going to stick on Republicans like many think. For the simplest reason being that a lot of Americans simply do not accept illegal aliens residing on US soil. Democrats, Independents, Republicans, and even non voters.
Democratic party should have stood their ground on tax policy. Now, in trying to appear tough they are choosing the worst possible way to stand their ground against the Trump administration.
Who was to blame the last time the government shutdown? I wonder if Trump had anything to say about it at the time? Oh right...
And now "Mr. Negotiator" the art of the deal master himself is just sitting around in his bathrobe watching fox news and tweeting. So much winning.Originally Posted by President Trump
“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass." - President Donald Trump
Briefly, it means that some government workers got a surprise leave (most of them still work), that the funding of new programs is suspended, and that the military still works but is not paid after February assuming the situation extends this far. From what I've gathered anyway.
So is it a disaster of biblical proportions, no, but it's another indication of how dysfunctional US politics are.
Not only that but but going back on his word the way he did also sets a standard where congress can't negotiate because Trump never even knows what he wants.
This completely sabotages negotiations as the minority party has no reason to come to the table or give an inch.
There was a bi-partisan deal. It had enough support in both House and Senate.
Trump blew it up and said he wouldn't sign it if they voted on it.
McConnell then tried to use CHIP, a popular program that everyone wants but Republicans failed to fund 4 months ago as a carrot to get Democrats to give up on DACA, to get a bill past Trump.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
The problem is that the illegal immigrants you're talking about aren't just the border hoppers. They're DREAMERS, and thus a bracket of immigrants that have bipartisan support in our government. They're basically Americans and deporting them is a literal sins of the father punishment.
Trump and the GOP are taking the backlash, not Dems, because of how transparent the situation is if you're not a Fox neanderthal because the GOP have the raw numbers to ram through anything they want without any Dem votes. But even their own party isn't on board with Trump's plan and have voted against it because it's political suicide in many of their districts or states.