Greymane (spoilers??)

[Azelas]

Nathanos is Greymane.

Gilneas was an inside job?

[StationaryHawk]

It's during the Silverpine quest, the citizens on Fenris Isle actual want to become Worgen to escape the Forsaken curse.

Also Blizzard explicitly stated that the reason Worgen can become DK is BECAUSE of Arthas/Lich King being so powerful in Necromancy.

Why are humans who drink the blood of worgen unable to be raised as Forsaken?

Not only are the Val'kyr less powerful than the Lich King when it comes to raising the undead, but the worgen curse also makes raising them into undeath far more difficult than it is for normal humans. The worgen curse has roots in both the Emerald Dream (through the wolf Ancient, Goldrinn) and the holy power of the goddess Elune. In addition, those worgen who imbibe the waters of Tal'doren—through the ritual they undergo to maintain balance between the worgen curse and their humanity—have a further resistance to the corruption of undeath.

This was asked and answered in a dev q&a.

The Forsaken do not have the Plague of Undeath. Their New Plague kills both the living and undead. It's the Val'kyr that allowed them to raise more undead but, as was already established, their necromancy is ineffective on worgen.

I'll keep that quote in mind for later use as it does effectively disprove that worgen are not immune to undeath (only that they are resistant, and the necromancer must be sufficiently powerful). It doesn't necessarily prove that the Plague of Undeath would fail to raise a worgen however, though it could be assumed.

[Kralljin]

Do you happen to have the source for worgen immunity to the Plague of Undeath? It wouldn't hurt to have the next time someone says worgen can't be risen into undeath.

It's been answered in one of the Lore Q&A in the past.

Basically, Worgen corpses are more difficult to raise due the curse being connected to Elune via Goldrinn, powerful Necromancers can bypass this resistance but Val'kyrs aren't skilled enough to raise Worgen corpses.

[Combatbutler]

It's been answered in one of the Lore Q&A in the past.

Basically, Worgen corpses are more difficult to raise due the curse being connected to Elune via Goldrinn, powerful Necromancers can bypass this resistance but Val'kyrs aren't skilled enough to raise Worgen corpses.

Sylvanas Val'kyr are not strong enough, those from Helya or Odyn most likely are

[Deleted]

The Forsaken do not have the Plague of Undeath. Their New Plague kills both the living and undead. It's the Val'kyr that allowed them to raise more undead but, as was already established, their necromancy is ineffective on worgen.

I'll keep that quote in mind for later use as it does effectively disprove that worgen are not immune to undeath (only that they are resistant, and the necromancer must be sufficiently powerful). It doesn't necessarily prove that the Plague of Undeath would fail to raise a worgen however, though it could be assumed.

The devastating undead plague began in Northrend after the Second War. There, from the depths of the Frozen Throne, the Lich King Ner'zhul afflicted a remote human village through his will alone: a morbid test meant to gauge the plague's effectiveness. The infected villagers died, and when their zombified corpses rose soon after, they had become lumbering, mindless servants of Ner'zhul.

The experiment was successful, but the Lich King was interested in nothing less than perfection. He contaminated every human inhabitant of Northrend, binding them to his icy will even as he continued to fine-tune his infernal disease.

Through the course of his experimentations, Ner'zhul insured that the affliction would specifically target humans for "undeath". Though non-human races and creatures (and even the land itself) were susceptible to the plague, it was humanity in particular that Ner'zhul meant to scour from the world. As a result, infected flora and fauna reacted differently--diseased and decaying, but not truly undead, and not under the thrall of the Lich King.

Hence, while undead representatives certainly do exist among the ranks of the non-human races, these particular agents are examples of undead created through necromancy rather than the plague.

Once Ner'zhul's adjustments were complete, his mind reached out to Dalaran, to the disgruntled human, Kel'Thuzad. The archmage answered the call, trekking through the arctic wastes of Northrend to eventually climb the steps of the Frozen Throne*. There he pledged to act as the Lich King's lieutenant in exchange for immortality and untold power. He was then given cauldrons of concentrated plague to spread throughout the lands of Lordaeron via his acolytes in the Cult of the Damned, and soon dead villagers throughout the realm began to rise and walk again, marching against the living in obedient servitude to their new master.

And thus, the Scourge was born into an unsuspecting world.


'susceptible to the plague' and 'these particular agents are examples of undead created through necromancy rather than the plague.' sounds like the plague kills none Humans, but doesn't turn them. None Human scourge are raised through pure Necromancy.

[Raetary]

Worgens are immune to the undead thing

They are resistant to necromancy, not immune to it.

Ot: that's lord waycrest.

[Khaza-R]

Except for that part where there's undead Worgen in the form of Death Knights.

Worgen are immune to the Forsaken's Val'kyr. So are all non-Human races.

Death Knights are reanimated differently than other undead. The power that keeps them undead requires them to constantly harm living things and kill

[Combatbutler]

Death Knights are reanimated differently than other undead. The power that keeps them undead requires them to constantly harm living things and kill

Naw that is just something the lich king gave them, they don't need to harm living beings to survive, they just got the drive for it and not sating that drive might cause insanity.

[Katchii]

That picture on the front page, that’s not a undead Greymane right?

If you clicked on the picture the name of the file is "Lord Waycrest." So no, it's not an undead Greymane.

[Aucald]

Do you happen to have the source for worgen immunity to the Plague of Undeath? It wouldn't hurt to have the next time someone says worgen can't be risen into undeath.

It's from an "Ask a CDev" back in Cata, specifically:

Why are humans who drink the blood of worgen unable to be raised as Forsaken?

Not only are the Val'kyr less powerful than the Lich King when it comes to raising the undead, but the worgen curse also makes raising them into undeath far more difficult than it is for normal humans. The worgen curse has roots in both the Emerald Dream (through the wolf Ancient, Goldrinn) and the holy power of the goddess Elune. In addition, those worgen who imbibe the waters of Tal'doren—through the ritual they undergo to maintain balance between the worgen curse and their humanity—have a further resistance to the corruption of undeath. (Source)

[Nalorakk]

No way will they kill Genn. He's like the 2nd or 3rd Alliance character with the most fanboys...

He's dying and I'll laugh as I put an axe through his disease-addled brain

[CasualFilth]

He's dying and I'll laugh as I put an axe through his disease-addled brain

Wishful thinking.

[StationaryHawk]

The devastating undead plague began in Northrend after the Second War. There, from the depths of the Frozen Throne, the Lich King Ner'zhul afflicted a remote human village through his will alone: a morbid test meant to gauge the plague's effectiveness. The infected villagers died, and when their zombified corpses rose soon after, they had become lumbering, mindless servants of Ner'zhul.

The experiment was successful, but the Lich King was interested in nothing less than perfection. He contaminated every human inhabitant of Northrend, binding them to his icy will even as he continued to fine-tune his infernal disease.

Through the course of his experimentations, Ner'zhul insured that the affliction would specifically target humans for "undeath". Though non-human races and creatures (and even the land itself) were susceptible to the plague, it was humanity in particular that Ner'zhul meant to scour from the world. As a result, infected flora and fauna reacted differently--diseased and decaying, but not truly undead, and not under the thrall of the Lich King.

Hence, while undead representatives certainly do exist among the ranks of the non-human races, these particular agents are examples of undead created through necromancy rather than the plague.

Once Ner'zhul's adjustments were complete, his mind reached out to Dalaran, to the disgruntled human, Kel'Thuzad. The archmage answered the call, trekking through the arctic wastes of Northrend to eventually climb the steps of the Frozen Throne*. There he pledged to act as the Lich King's lieutenant in exchange for immortality and untold power. He was then given cauldrons of concentrated plague to spread throughout the lands of Lordaeron via his acolytes in the Cult of the Damned, and soon dead villagers throughout the realm began to rise and walk again, marching against the living in obedient servitude to their new master.

And thus, the Scourge was born into an unsuspecting world.


'susceptible to the plague' and 'these particular agents are examples of undead created through necromancy rather than the plague.' sounds like the plague kills none Humans, but doesn't turn them. None Human scourge are raised through pure Necromancy.

These are some fair points! Consider me convinced.

[Aevari]

Plz no zombie worgen lol