Trump snubs May and invites Macron for first state visit

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The special relationship suffered a new blow today as it emerged French President Emmanuel Macron would be the first leader invited on a state visit by Donald Trump.

The US President plans to extend the invite to Mr Macron at the Davos summit this week, ending British hopes that the honour could be granted to the UK.

Theresa May rushed to be the first European leader to the White House a year and immediately invited Mr Trump to attend a state visit in Britain.

But the relationship has cooled since amid a series of public spats. Mr Trump cancelled a visit to open the US embassy and his state visit is on ice amid fears he would be met by furious protests.

Since entering the White House a year ago, Mr Trump has hosted numerous foreign leaders but has yet to host an official state visit.

He expressed deep appreciation for the red carpet treatment Macron showed him on a visit to France on a visit pegged to Bastille Day.

They viewed the Bastille Day parade together and dined with their spouses, First Lady Melania Trump and French First Lady Brigitte Macron, in the Eiffel Tower.

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Bye bye to the special relationship thanks to our Inept leader Thersea May, the uk will diie alone, live alone and soon will have no allies left.

America just gave us the middle finger. So much for Brexit being so good us

[TwistedSkull]

A link would be useful.

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A link would be useful.

I would provide one but cant link urls, i read somewhere that you need 15 or 20 posts to show links.

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^^ i would provide one but i cant link urls, i read somewhere that you need 15 or 20 posts to show links. just type in google "Trump snubs may at davos and invites macron for first state visit"

[alexw]

May is probably just too "beta" for Trump. Sadly that is almost certainly what it is, he doesn't view May as an equivalent alpha to himself so has to snub her, unlike the manly Macron.

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May is probably just too "beta" for Trump. Sadly that is almost certainly what it is, he doesn't view May as an equivalent alpha to himself so has to snub her, unlike the many Macron.

There's even a qoute of him saying he will likely also talk to the german leader and invite her before theresa may.

This is getting comical for our country.

[Skroe]

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Bye bye to the special relationship thanks to our Inept leader Thersea May, the uk will diie alone, live alone and soon will have no allies left.

America just gave us the middle finger. So much for Brexit being so good us

Step one to repairing the Special Relationship would be undoing over a decade of military cuts that have made the British Armed Forces mostly a rounding error.

Britain has so few helicopters now, they might as well give each of them individual names, like they're ships of the line.

I used to be all about the Special Relationship. Last 10 years though? You people said "fuck it" to your global responsibilities. Bush and Obama began the American pivot to continental Europe (mostly with Merkel) chiefly because of that.

[-Nurot]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ate-visit.html

Evidently this is the story?

The 2 best things that could happen at this point;

On Britain's end, don't continue to adopt a Britain first, fuck everyone attitude like we have started to here in the US.

On the US end, Mueller/2020/2024, which ever happens first. The pendulum swings, so as long as your leader doesn't turn out to be as much of an asshat as ours currently is, the relationship will improve tremendously in the near future.

[Machismo]

It looks like the same "British" poster has decided to make another account. I think that makes 13 total and counting...

[Xarkan]

Step one to repairing the Special Relationship would be undoing over a decade of military cuts that have made the British Armed Forces mostly a rounding error.

Britain has so few helicopters now, they might as well give each of them individual names, like they're ships of the line.

I used to be all about the Special Relationship. Last 10 years though? You people said "fuck it" to your global responsibilities. Bush and Obama began the American pivot to continental Europe (mostly with Merkel) chiefly because of that.

But with Obama hinting France was a friend too i would have expected Trump to be more likely to declare war on France than be friendly..

Heck didnt Obama pretty much endorse Macron?

[Skroe]

But with Obama hinting France was a friend too i would have expected Trump to be more likely to declare war on France than be friendly..

Heck didnt Obama pretty much endorse Macron?

He did, and I'm sure Macron fines Trump revolting.

Europe's wisely doing a good-cop / bad-cop thing with handling Trump, with Merkel bad-cop and Macron good-cop. Franco-German collaboration on this is probably intentional.

Trump is a pariah. He's meeting figures that typically Presidents don't meet in this point in their term. Typically in the US, access to the President by foreign dignitaries is controlled and has to be "earned". The heads of State or Government of most NATO countries, Japan and Australia of course, get direct access. As does Russia's President, China and other core US allies. But the overwhelming majorities of countries on Earthy have to "earn it" with each new President.

They meet with the National Security Advisor, the Trade Representative and/or another Cabinet Member. They meet with the Secretary of State and/or Defense. They meet with the Vice President. And then, at the end, if they've earned it, they President.

This is for a few reasons. Pictures with the POTUS, whoever that is, is legitimizing to many country's leaders, particularly in the developing world, and to both limit our interference in their internal affairs AND to not put our President in a position of looking like he is endorsing someone who hasn't been fully vetted, it has to be earned. Furthermore it acts as incentive to cooperation. Thirdly it is symbolic of a closening of relations. Consider the alternative, if the President gave away meetings freely. Where does the relationship go, symbolically, after that? No where.

It's a long standing practice, going back to the 19th century here.

But Trump has a problem. As I said. He's a pariah. So he's meeting with foreign leaders who haven't "earned it" quite yet, or second tier representatives (another note, outside of our allies, with some exceptions, the Vice President meets with most Prime Ministers and only Presidents / Kings meet with the POTUS, as Heads of Government are not of equal diplomatic rank to heads of state). And allies eh should have had repeated meetings with? They haven't happened.

Reverse from normal, not a lot of our allies want their picture taken with a man who is likely in profound legal jeopardy.

So basically in other words, Trump is getting what he can.

[NED funded]

He probably wants an ideological peer.

[Shadowmelded]

The type of people who support Trump in the UK already dislike May for being insufficiently Brexit-mad. If anything, the less she has to do with Trump, the better it is for her domestically. Although yeah, it does undermine the "It's fine, the US will help us post-Brexit" mentality that's being bandied about by Tories.

[Deja Thoris]

Wait. Is this snub somehow meant to be a bad thing?

[Edge-]

He seems to have issues with female world leaders anyways, so it's not terribly surprising.

So much for our "special relationship" with the UK, guess it only took a year to severely damage that despite decades history.

[Deleted]

no one needs the has-been country england , weak sauce country , america will do business where there is better profit

GO FRANCE !

[Deleted]

Could it possibly have something to do with a lot of the cancelled visits to the UK, in fears of protesters?

Sort of a middle finger to the UK for being so and an attempt to push them towards liking instead of disliking?

[Deleted]

And the British people shrug and don't care

[Vankrys]

are those state visits really important nowadays? If world leader need to speak to one another in this day of technology, surely they only are a skype call away to deal with important or urgent matters.

[Thekri]

Trump seriously hasn't had a single official state visit yet? He is more then a year into his presidency, what on earth is taking him so long? It frankly doesn't matter to me if it is Britain or France, they are both strong allies, but seriously, he should probably have actually tried diplomacy prior to the second year of his term.

The great thing about democracies is that after we vote the Stable Genius Trainwreck out of office, we can probably normalize relations with Britain in about an afternoon. Especially if Britain decides to stop being quite so insane as well. We kind of both need to get our shit together right now.