Illegal Immigration Violence in France

[Maybach]

The following article is worth a read

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42912670

For anyone that is pro uncontrolled migration and wonders why there is so much push back against allowing these people in, please take a look at the pictures and tell me you would feel safe with them living next door to you

These are not refugees these are illegal immigrants in a country that helps genuine refugees, France, and yet they are perfectly willing to break the law, use violence, and now firearms, to get their own way

You really want that coming to a place near you?

[Deleted]

Yeah, these are mostly from Africa and are economical refugees that are trying to the UK through the tunnel.

If I was France, I would herd them through the tunnel to the UK and make them their problem.

[PL-Cibo]

The following article is worth a read

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42912670

For anyone that is pro uncontrolled migration and wonders why there is so much push back against allowing these people in, please take a look at the pictures and tell me you would feel safe with them living next door to you

These are not refugees these are illegal immigrants in a country that helps genuine refugees, France, and yet they are perfectly willing to break the law, use violence, and now firearms, to get their own way

You really want that coming to a place near you?

we know, it's not really news. But I'm quite sure you are not french. so you wouldn't know about their standing decades old contract with their old colonies. so having these problems stems from building ghettos since 5 decades ago and not caring about it. I don't have much pity for them. also you're making elephants out of mice. "Uncontrolled" migration doesn't happen. But the word sure is loved by politicians to push some agenda.

[s_bushido]

For anyone that is pro uncontrolled migration

So literally no one. Got it.

[Machismo]

So literally no one. Got it.

Actually, I am... and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one around.

Well, I'm in favor of migration based on the free markets, not on personal beliefs.

[Azahel]

We can more easily do that once Brexit is a fact. And that is most likely what will happen, increased illegal immigration in the UK, because the EU has an easy place to funnel them all to.

I'd be ok with that.

[Deleted]

free markets, not on personal beliefs.

Any *justification* you have for a "free market" is a belief system, and an statement on ethics.

[Allybeboba]

It seems people are. As long as it doesn’t occur in their own country.

Peace

[Machismo]

Any *justification* you have for a "free market" is a belief system, and an statement on ethics.

Yes, support of the free markets is a belief system. I happen to be a strong believer in freedom.

[PosPosPos]

We have a few libertarians here who advocate no borders.

Such as?

Or is this just the usual "make a strawman out of the stances of others" sort of thing?

[Deleted]

Yes, support of the free markets is a belief system. I happen to be a strong believer in freedom.

Your statement was contradictory, since your favoring is a personal belief. That's all.

Of course, there's always the issue that some markets cannot be free by design, since the actors at point of purchase lack any bargaining capacity. Most notably healthcare, but generally any in which your livelihood is at state: labor and immigration, for instance.

[TwistedSkull]

It seems people are. As long as it doesn’t occur in their own country.

Peace

Huh when did you get tired of saying cheers?

[Machismo]

Your statement was contradictory, since your support is personal belief. That's all.

Of course, there's always the issue that some markets cannot be free by design, since the actors at point of purchase lack any bargaining capacity. Most notably healthcare, but generally any in which your livelihood is at state: labor and immigration, for instance.

I see what you meant. I shall rephrase. I base it on the free markets, not personal bigotries like racism and xenophobia.

As far as I'm concerned, the more free the markets, the better.

[Kivana]

Recently, France demanded that we in England fork over £46 million to pay for security regarding the Euro Tunnel. Now, you might think that's a fair deal as it does connect us with France, but, the security is for France's end and not ours here in Blighty. Of course we don't want people storming the tunnel or using force to gain entry to our country via trucks or vehicles, but I think asking us to pay for shit on their end is a step too far and part of the reason we, as a nation voted out of the EU.

[Machismo]

Look up, you'll see Machismo. I think we have at least one other person who believes in no borders. Not a strawman, I just spend enough time here to know people and their beliefs and not just attack at random.

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Again, we have Machismo in this thread already who thinks we should have no borders and considers uncontrolled immigration a free market exercise.

Well, I believe in voluntary government, and a libertarian form of voluntary government is what I would support. I would prefer all property be private property, so borders would be unnecessary between state nations.

You are basically right, but since you are correcting them, I just wanted to clarify my stance.

[ManiaCCC]

Recently, France demanded that we in England fork over £46 million to pay for security regarding the Euro Tunnel. Now, you might think that's a fair deal as it does connect us with France, but, the security is for France's end and not ours here in Blighty.

I am not sure I understand. You are saying that security problem lies on shoulders on country, from where immigrants are coming and not where they are coming?

[XDurionX]

The following article is worth a read

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42912670

For anyone that is pro uncontrolled migration and wonders why there is so much push back against allowing these people in, please take a look at the pictures and tell me you would feel safe with them living next door to you

These are not refugees these are illegal immigrants in a country that helps genuine refugees, France, and yet they are perfectly willing to break the law, use violence, and now firearms, to get their own way

You really want that coming to a place near you?

Nobody is pro UNCONTROLLED immigration, and if you's have to live under the circumstances these people have to endure, you'd be violent as well.

[Deleted]

I am not sure I understand. You are saying that security problem lies on shoulders on country, from where immigrants are coming and not where they are coming?

It lies with the party that wants or needs to stop migrants from traversing the tunnel.
France would rather they kept going. UK would rather pay others to handle it.

[Allybeboba]

Well, I believe in voluntary government, and a libertarian form of voluntary government is what I would support. I would prefer all property be private property, so borders would be unnecessary between state nations.

You are basically right, but since you are correcting them, I just wanted to clarify my stance.

Might as well have a single government then if there are no borders, correct? That would mean one philosophy would have to dominate the others. That has been tried before on many occasions. Especially in Europe.

Peace

[ManiaCCC]

It lies with the party that wants or needs to stop migrants from traversing the tunnel.
France would rather they kept going. UK would rather pay others to handle it.

Yes, but isn't he saying Brits don't want to pay for Euro tunnel security and let France to deal with it without financial help?(and if this is true, how they believe that brexit will solve this problem) I am confused honestly