Active shooter situation at Florida high school, at least 20 injured so far

[roxfm]

I can't believe some people here comparing trucks, vans, knifes to weapons. former is designed for travel, transportation, kitchen uses. the other one has no other purpose except to kill. unfuckingbelievable. and here, they will come and say that knife is a killing weapon. yes, that may well be but chances of killing that many people in one try is not even remotely possible. It is ridiculous to compare van, knife whatever attacks to weapons. Using this logic then saying #baneverything as sarcasm or irony whatever is beyond idiotic. there are over 150 countries and 8 fucking billion people and only yes only in the USA this shit happens. What the actual fuck? don't give me that norway or france shootings whatever as it is not even remotely related to what goes on in the USA.

Yup..

It's shocking that people believe that having fun control will not be of any use because the "criminals" will just get it anyway. Well, yes, organized criminals will find a way to get their hands on weapons legally or otherwise, but these random one-off shootings - that seem to take a lot of innocent lives would not be lost.

What I find ironic is that almost no organized crime/terrorist group goes up shooting schools.... Heck even those guys seem to have a limit when it comes to young children.

Home burglaries.... Keep it locked / safe / with security systems. Hunting and what not doesn't require the plethora of semi automatic or automatic weapons so readily available in the united states.

But as the person above has already said "Thoughts and prayers is the official gun legislation in the US"

[Minikin]

You aren't going to convince a majority of Americans to bend over for the government and surrender their arms just because a handful of emotional half-wits don't understand gun control will literally solve nothing.

See I have a hard time understanding that. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or offensive but if someone could explain to me how letting go of firearms means bending to the government I'd appreciate it. I can't wrap my head around it.

[Elegiac]

See I have a hard time understanding that. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or offensive but if someone could explain to me how letting go of firearms means bending to the government I'd appreciate it. I can't wrap my head around it.

American culture has this irrational fear of government for...reasons...and there is this pervasive myth that having an armed population is a safeguard against government tyranny.

Either that or 'muh freedoms'. You can't really rationalise an irrational position.

[Stonecloak]

See I have a hard time understanding that. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or offensive but if someone could explain to me how letting go of firearms means bending to the government I'd appreciate it. I can't wrap my head around it.

The mentality when it was written into the constitution was meant to protect oneself, propert, and from the government getting out of hand. That’s why it’s likely we will always have the right to own firearms. In a way it’s right, but it obviously wasn’t written thinking about todays problems.

[Draco-Onis]

American culture has this irrational fear of government for...reasons...and there is this pervasive myth that having an armed population is a safeguard against government tyranny.

Either that or 'muh freedoms'. You can't really rationalise an irrational position.

It feeds their Rambo fantasy that their couch patato selves can somehow stand up to well trained soldiers, drones, nuclear weapons, tanks and fighter jets. I don't think taking away guns is the solution but that armed militia bullshit was only logical when everyone was using muskets and horses.

[Mormolyce]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/14/flor...8-in-2018.html

Up to 18 so far this year, shaping up to be a bumper crop. Note: this is just SCHOOL shootings.

According to Everytown, there have been about 291 school shootings since 2013, which breaks down to about one per week.

See you all next week.

[BuckSparkles]

See I have a hard time understanding that. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or offensive but if someone could explain to me how letting go of firearms means bending to the government I'd appreciate it. I can't wrap my head around it.

It means you surrender a way of defending yourself from an overreaching government. People have the right to bear arms. Just built in our history.

I personally would prefer not having the only firearms in the country be left to police and military. And that is coming from somebody who is very supportive of the USA police and military.

[Mormolyce]

Gun control works in Canada, our school shootings are rare.

I tried to find a single example of a school shooting in Australia. Made it as far back as the 1800s and gave up.

[Najnaj]

To everyone saying that their "thoughts and prayers go out"... you do understand that they do not right? They stay in your head and do absolutely nothing. Have a couple of angry emails go out to your elected officials instead regarding gun control.

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It means you surrender a way of defending yourself from an overreaching government. People have the right to bear arms. Just built in our history.

I personally would prefer not having the only firearms in the country be left to police and military. And that is coming from somebody who is very supportive of the USA police and military.

Do you listen to yourself? Have you seen the US army? If you think the difference between you and your friends beating or getting beat by the US army is gun control you are incredibly stupid.

[Felaris Stormrage]

To everyone saying that their "thoughts and prayers go out"... you do understand that they do not right? They stay in your head and do absolutely nothing. Have a couple of angry emails go out to your elected officials instead regarding gun control.

My thoughts and prayers go out for your ignorance.

[Dacien]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/14/flor...8-in-2018.html

Up to 18 so far this year, shaping up to be a bumper crop. Note: this is just SCHOOL shootings.



See you all next week.

Looked at a few of those, and they include a janitor cleaning his gun when it unintentionally went off, a guy who shot at a wall and damaged a security camera at 4 AM, a guy who discharged his firearm into the air at a concert, and my favorite:

"A 10-year-old student attempted to throw a chair at his teacher during class, and was then forcibly removed from the classroom by an armed police officer. While being escorted out, the student hit the police officer in his belt, discharging the officer's handgun, firing into the floor."

Everytown sure is playing fast and loose with the loaded term "School shooting".

[Najnaj]

I tried to find a single example of a school shooting in Australia. Made it as far back as the 1800s and gave up.

There are a few mass shootings dating back to before they got gun control..they dropped dramatically after that.

[BuckSparkles]

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Do you listen to yourself? Have you seen the US army? If you think the difference between you and your friends beating or getting beat by the US army is gun control you are incredibly stupid.

Better a fighting chance then being a fish in a barrel, much like liberals in this country desperately want to be.

Plus I am not sure if you have noticed by insurgent groups tend to be a pain in the ass for our military. While of course I would never want the country to be in such a state that the people are openly fighting the government, if it came to that, the people deserve weapons.

[Gorgodeus]

It means you surrender a way of defending yourself from an overreaching government. People have the right to bear arms. Just built in our history.

I personally would prefer not having the only firearms in the country be left to police and military. And that is coming from somebody who is very supportive of the USA police and military.

Except for the fact that guns are not going to defend anyone from gov't.

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Better a fighting chance then being a fish in a barrel, much like liberals in this country desperately want to be.

Plus I am not sure if you have noticed by insurgent groups tend to be a pain in the ass for our military. While of course I would never want the country to be in such a state that the people are openly fighting the government, if it came to that, the people deserve weapons.

You are fish in a barrel if the gov't and military is gunning for you. Your personal guns won't make a difference.

[Everwake]

Looked at a few of those, and they include a janitor cleaning his gun when it unintentionally went off, a guy who shot at a wall and damaged a security camera at 4 AM, a guy who discharged his firearm into the air at a concert, and my favorite:

"A 10-year-old student attempted to throw a chair at his teacher during class, and was then forcibly removed from the classroom by an armed police officer. While being escorted out, the student hit the police officer in his belt, discharging the officer's handgun, firing into the floor."

Everytown sure is playing fast and loose with the loaded term "School shooting".

Don't bother. I make the same comment as you whenever these buzz stats come up and people just ignore it. If they want to believe there have been X school shootings this year, no facts will change their mind. Even if you were to list every single incident in a list and highlight the suicides, accidental shots, etc., they will just scroll right past it and continue retweeting the number they've been given. Nobody actually reads anymore lol

[Gorgodeus]

Looked at a few of those, and they include a janitor cleaning his gun when it unintentionally went off, a guy who shot at a wall and damaged a security camera at 4 AM, a guy who discharged his firearm into the air at a concert, and my favorite:

"A 10-year-old student attempted to throw a chair at his teacher during class, and was then forcibly removed from the classroom by an armed police officer. While being escorted out, the student hit the police officer in his belt, discharging the officer's handgun, firing into the floor."

Everytown sure is playing fast and loose with the loaded term "School shooting".

It is not "fast and loose" when the article expressly states:

any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds, as documented by the press and, when necessary, confirmed through further inquiries with law enforcement or school officials. Incidents in which guns were brought into schools but not discharged, or where the firearm was discharged off school grounds, are not included.

[Dacien]

It is not "fast and loose" when the article expressly states:

any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds, as documented by the press and, when necessary, confirmed through further inquiries with law enforcement or school officials. Incidents in which guns were brought into schools but not discharged, or where the firearm was discharged off school grounds, are not included.

Yeah, I'm sure when people bandy about Everytown's stats, they make sure to use that lengthy qualifier. Or they just use the loaded term "school shooting", which evokes an obvious impression in regular people's minds.

[Gorgodeus]

Yeah, I'm sure when people bandy about Everytown's stats, they make sure to use that lengthy qualifier. Or they just use the loaded term "school shooting", which has evokes an obvious impression in regular people's minds.

A gun being discharged on school grounds is not something anyone wants. If you are trying to suggest that there is no problem currently, you are deluded.

[Dacien]

Don't bother. I make the same comment as you whenever these buzz stats come up and people just ignore it. If they want to believe there have been X school shootings this year, no facts will change their mind. Even if you were to list every single incident in a list and highlight the suicides, accidental shots, etc., they will just scroll right past it and continue retweeting the number they've been given. Nobody actually reads anymore lol

It's raises questions about why they feel the need to artificially inflate the numbers by including such incidents that are not a true definition of "school shooting" as most people understand it.

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A gun being discharged on school grounds is not something anyone wants. If you are trying to suggest that there is no problem currently, you are deluded.

Typically when we talk about these incidents, we're talking about someone showing up to school with a gun and shooting people. An armed officer who is there to maintain security at the school having his gun accidentally discharge is not what we're all talking about, and including it in "school shooting" statistics is not accurate, to be generous.

[BuckSparkles]

Except for the fact that guns are not going to defend anyone from gov't.

You are fish in a barrel if the gov't and military is gunning for you. Your personal guns won't make a difference.

See insurgent groups in the middle east. Or the viet cong during the Vietnam war.

You folks act like any type of in-country fighting would be a bunch of dudes with shotguns in an open field against the US army and airforce.