Mjolnir

[the game]

Can an elevator lift Mjolnir?

[Nixl]

If vision can then an elevator should be able to

[Skizzit]

Inanimate objects are not effected by Mjolnir, that's why it had be hung on a peg or sit on the deck of the Helicarrier. It's only when a living being tries to move it. It actually raises an interesting question about Vision lifting it. Is he technically alive or not?

[Mormolyce]

In the comics, inanimate objects can move Mjolnir, as can spells. It's not a person "wielding" it.

This occasionally includes androids but I think writers have differed on whether they're considered "people" enough to count.

[Queen of Hamsters]

The elevator is clearly not worthy.

Yet it can still lift Mjö-mjö.

[Super Kami Dende]

The "weight" of Mjolnir is moreso a safeguard to stop an unworthy being from wielding it. Inanimate objects suffer from no such morality checks.

[Fincayra]

The "weight" of Mjolnir is moreso a safeguard to stop an unworthy being from wielding it. Inanimate objects suffer from no such morality checks.

Depends on the comic. Some, it was just really really heavy, others it had the enchantment.

The thing I have a problem with is beings that are huge lifting Thor who is carrying Mjolnir. Doesn't that count as lifting Mjolnir?

[Deleted]

It's simple:

Mjollnir uses gravitons to change gravity field for the "worthy" users

worthy would mean it's DNA activated

If you're not worthy, Mjollnir changes it's properties to be infinetly heavy (or better said locked in gravity field in a one place)

So Mjollnir in elevator is just an object that's not moving (with elevator floor beeing the point of reference) and if you were in the elevator trying to lift it up (while not worthy) and whole elevator would move but Mjollnirs point of reference would be the elevator floor, thus not moving, thus making it infinetly heavy for you


Science bitch !!

[Jonnusthegreat]

Mjollnir seems to be self-aware when something tries to lift it. If directly connected to the conscience of an unworthy, it's infinite weight. If connected to an unworthy in an indirect way, such as an elevator, it will be lifted.

[Gallahadd]

The thing I have a problem with is beings that are huge lifting Thor who is carrying Mjolnir. Doesn't that count as lifting Mjolnir?

I would say no. Thor is still holding Mjolnir and in control of it's movements, thus HE is wielding it. If him being picked up rendered Mjolir unliftable, he'd be pretty fucked when fighting giants, who are kind of his primary foe.

HOWEVER, if a giant that had lifted him were to attempt to disarm him, and break his contact with Mjolnir, then I have to imagine that the enchantment would kick in, and the hammer would become unliftable, until such a time as Thor could regain it.

[Sykol]

I would say no. Thor is still holding Mjolnir and in control of it's movements, thus HE is wielding it. If him being picked up rendered Mjolir unliftable, he'd be pretty fucked when fighting giants, who are kind of his primary foe.

HOWEVER, if a giant that had lifted him were to attempt to disarm him, and break his contact with Mjolnir, then I have to imagine that the enchantment would kick in, and the hammer would become unliftable, until such a time as Thor could regain it.

Basically saw this in Ragnarok when he just flat out dropped the hammer in a dragon's mouth to hold it still.

[Gallahadd]

Basically saw this in Ragnarok when he just flat out dropped the hammer in a dragon's mouth to hold it still.

Exactly. Tbh, most of Mjolnir's rules are pretty logical, when you really think about it.

[Lochton]

In the comics, inanimate objects can move Mjolnir, as can spells. It's not a person "wielding" it.

This occasionally includes androids but I think writers have differed on whether they're considered "people" enough to count.

Basically how it is... I still feel iffy about Vision though, heh..

[Mormolyce]

Depends on the comic. Some, it was just really really heavy, others it had the enchantment.

The thing I have a problem with is beings that are huge lifting Thor who is carrying Mjolnir. Doesn't that count as lifting Mjolnir?

Thor is "wielding" it, so the weight thingy is deactivated.

Basically saw this in Ragnarok when he just flat out dropped the hammer in a dragon's mouth to hold it still.

Imagine a movie with so much awesome in it that there was a scene where Thor dropped his hammer in a dragon's mouth and it pinned it to the ground, and I completely forgot about it.

Basically how it is... I still feel iffy about Vision though, heh..

I don't know if the MCU has in any way answered this point: either Vision was worthy or he can lift it due to being synthetic. Or maybe some other explanation like the fact he was given life by Mjolnir a minute earlier.

The movie implies that it's the first explanation, at least the other Avengers take it as such. But it could be the others.

[Shadowferal]

The MCU took liberties than it should have. (A Thor vs Vision fight was never pretty in the comics)

[Lochton]

I don't know if the MCU has in any way answered this point: either Vision was worthy or he can lift it due to being synthetic. Or maybe some other explanation like the fact he was given life by Mjolnir a minute earlier.

The movie implies that it's the first explanation, at least the other Avengers take it as such. But it could be the others.

I am more stuck between the second or third option. The whole 'worthy' part for Vision is nice and all but I have my feeling that an ancient artifact would've more reacted to the living than the synthetic.

[Toxuvox]

Visions worthiness in the movie is a result of his "New Born" status. He aint done anything to be considered unworthy, and by virtue of the nature of the infinity stone embedded in his forehead, has a higher morality than most...perhaps even Thor at that point.

[SavoirFaire]

As I recall inanimate objects did have issues lifting it. There was a scene in one comic (late 80s) where Thor is duking it out with a celestial. The hammer had snapped a crane that was trying to lift it. Much like any comics thing I’d say it depends on writer, and Steve Rogersnhas moved it before, which is why the scene in Age of Ultron was welll done I though.

[Aurrora]

Inanimate objects are not effected by Mjolnir, that's why it had be hung on a peg or sit on the deck of the Helicarrier. It's only when a living being tries to move it. It actually raises an interesting question about Vision lifting it. Is he technically alive or not?

But what if the pilot of the Helicarrier attempts to ascend?