Early Briton Had Dark Skin and Light Eyes

[Ghostpanther]

Or it could be this skeleton was one which was uncommon for that area. May not be a real representation of the humans as a whole who populated that region. Or he may have migrated up from the far south. But overall, I do not have any issues with it ether way.

[Theodarzna]

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I already knew to a degree that the first anatomically modern humans in Western Eurasia (Europe/Middle East) had darker skin up until a few thousand years ago. I think it's interesting to look back and see how our ancestors physically differed from us while still being modern humans.

@Connal @Theodarzna

That is not terribly suprising as paler skin tones would have taken a lot longer to develop and I've even read some research that it the first farmers were the ones to actually begin lightening out. The dietary aspect to skin color might suggest that all humans will get paler over time as we mostly eat wheat and other similar products.

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The swedes who claim they evolved their blue eyes? Or is it just anyone that says this is fake news.

Some scant bits of evidence might suggest blue eyes had already proliferated early on in Europe, but there was also a great influx of blue and green eyed traits as well as blond hair traits with the arrival of the Indo-Europeans, though the Finnic Speakers may have already also had blonde hair.

[Themius]

I find it more interesting how some get angry about their ancestors before they even were called homo sapiens.

Neanderthals began going extinct about 40k years ago. The rains of Cheddar man is homo sapien

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Neanderthals began going extinct about 40k years ago. The rains of Cheddar man is homo sapien

I spoke of when you were shit on the ocean... but ok

[shadowmouse]

I used to read a lot of Robert E. Howard, so it is interesting to see the modern, scientific examination of one of his themes.

At 13, Howard, being of Scottish-Irish descent, began his studies of Scottish history and became fascinated with what he calls "the small dark Mediterranean aborigines of Britain."[1] As these Picts were portrayed as inferior to later tribes, Howard imagined them as a link between modern and ancient times

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bran_Mak_Morn

[Macaquerie]

You ever wonder if the first white guy to have existed ever spent time thinking about just how much bullshit would result in the coming years from that little mutation. I guess he was probably more concerned with not being able to wipe his ass and what not.

[Techno-Druid]

That is not terribly suprising as paler skin tones would have taken a lot longer to develop and I've even read some research that it the first farmers were the ones to actually begin lightening out. The dietary aspect to skin color might suggest that all humans will get paler over time as we mostly eat wheat and other similar products.

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Some scant bits of evidence might suggest blue eyes had already proliferated early on in Europe, but there was also a great influx of blue and green eyed traits as well as blond hair traits with the arrival of the Indo-Europeans, though the Finnic Speakers may have already also had blonde hair.

Human migration is fascinating. Didn't Uralic people originally migrate West from Northern China? That's at least what I read a while back.

[Kaleredar]

I’m not sure why this is surprising or why it may cause drama... why does the amount of melanin in the skin matter to so many people? I don’t get it.

Some people in Europe seem to despise the notion that they, the enlightened paragons of virtue, knowledge, wisdom, and civilization, may not have been the actual progenitors of humanity as we know it.

See: people claiming that egyptians were really white, or that the middle east counts (or rather, counted) as white back when Mesopotamia was the cradle of civilization. Or all those people that jumped to claim that humans, proper, probably actually arose in Europe when those fossils were found in Europe a year or so ago, despite scientists not actually asserting that.

[therealstegblob]

>sensible
>racist

Choose one

You're taking what he said out of context. He said "most racists are sensible" and though it might seem attractive to label all racism as insensible (because, at its root, it is all lacking sense), it's also worth it to not ignore the fact that there are some racists that operate on very high levels of tact and logic. Philosophical and sophisticated racists are the most dangerous types of racists, because they spin the illogical nature of racism in a way that seems very logical to some people- and ultimately converts them to racist ways of thinking.

Don't just write off all racists as completely lacking all sense. You underestimate them when you do, and that's very dangerous.

[yetgdhfgh]

The ancient Britain's was conquered and absolved into the Roman Empire then the Roman Empire crumbled and left and the ancient Britain's did something incredibly stupid and invited the Anglo-Saxons from Northern Germany to come and help them fight off the Viking incursions and while they did that and enjoyed the tribute they thought why not take over? and they did!.

[therealstegblob]

Or it could be this skeleton was one which was uncommon for that area. May not be a real representation of the humans as a whole who populated that region. Or he may have migrated up from the far south. But overall, I do not have any issues with it ether way.

Came here to say this, too. It's unknown if the remains are from a genetic lineage that was living in that part of the world, or if it this person was living there as some kind of unknown early migration. It's more likely that former, but the latter is also a pretty exciting aspect to consider, too.

[Kaleredar]

Yeah, I “get it” academically; I just don’t “get it”. Why “race” is such a big issue. Genetic concentrations becoming some weird fetish (the classical version of the word) seems borderline insane.

Because people like to legitimize themselves for things they had no part in to make up for the fact that they, themselves, have very little going on.

[Moadar]

Wonder how many generations it takes for changes like this to happen. Would all black people in northern countries turn white and all white people in Africa turn black in a few thousand years even if they only bred with others of the same color?

[Super Kami Dende]

I find this entire Story kind of pointless to be honest. I learnt when I was like 7 years old that Africa was considered the cradle of Human Beings as a species. Why would people be surprised that at one point People that lived on an Island that was likely easy to cross over to during the Ice Age had a Dark Skin tone.

it's like well no shit, they would've been Darker and changed over time as they lived in a more northern region of the Hemisphere. Seems like race-baiting We wuz kangz and shiet stuff tbh.

[derpkitteh]

that's not really a surprise.

i wonder if they looked like the people from the atlantis movie. that'd be sick.

[ayrton2388]

Neanderthals began going extinct about 40k years ago. The rains of Cheddar man is homo sapien

Neanderthals are not ancestors of modern humans. Homo sapiens and neanderthals we're like cousins, they had a common ancestor, and for a while, they lived in parallel. Modern humans did not evolve from neanderthals.

Wonder how many generations it takes for changes like this to happen. Would all black people in northern countries turn white and all white people in Africa turn black in a few thousand years even if they only bred with others of the same color?

If the population was low enough, then, probably yes. It order for mutations (lower / higher melanin levels) to perpetuate, you need pretty small populations. If you take Galapagos islands, for example, over there there are A LOT more species of animals than in other places. And that's because there are a lot of isolated islands, with very small populations.

[Jawless Jones]

Is there a way to report someone for flamebaiting?

[Stelio Kontos]

Is there a way to report someone for flamebaiting?

OP isn't a flamebait, though.

[Dr Assbandit]

Yeah, I “get it” academically; I just don’t “get it”. Why “race” is such a big issue. Genetic concentrations becoming some weird fetish (the classical version of the word) seems borderline insane.

The same reason why there's a certain group of people who are hellbent on trying to prove black people have a lower IQ than white people. It's to establish an idiotic sense of superiority using arbitrary factors in an effort to feel better about their own inadequacies and lack of accomplishments .

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And now? What will happen because of these findings?

I mean, I like historical facts but ...based on my experience with these kinds of findings in the last 10-20 years I feel there is an agenda attached to it somewhere.