Ohio 7th grade shoots himself in his Middle School

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Thing is unlike the rest of the world the gun is firmly entrenched in American patriotic identity. When change makes change far more difficult as it requires a cultural shift and a change in what alot think makes them American.

It's not an uncommon phenomenon for a nation to glorify the weapon that built there nation. Various European nations used to do it with the sword but ww1 did alot to smack overt patriotism down in European nation's that and the sword has now had several century's of redundancy but even now you can buy and own any longsword or saber and we see the hangover in the number of swords in old icons, motifs, anthems and hymns. After all the unofficial anthem of England has a whole vers on weapons. "bring me my sword of burning gold...."

Ofc fundementaly a gun is far different to a sword. It's a cowards weapon that requires little skill and offers no effective defence against so the level of devastation you can inflict with it is on a while different scale.

So the question is how do you tackle something so ingrained in a culture and integral to most's national identity. Because logic is often ineffective at fighting in the world of feelings be that feelings of patriotism or agreavance.

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That's a graph of general homicide. If you take one for just homicide with firearms last time u looked America was the only 1st world nation in the top 10.

A much darker reading into that graph for a pessimist would say that Americans are just more murderous and evil than the rest of the free world.

Oke, but if kids die every day, that must be 100% a reason to abandon all believes and cultures right? What could be more important than saving innocient lives of children?

I am not saying guns should be forbidden, altho I can count the mass shootings I lived to see in my country on 1 hand most likely. But atleast way more regulated! This kid, should NOT pass the background check

[8bithamster]

Thing is unlike the rest of the world the gun is firmly entrenched in American patriotic identity. When change makes change far more difficult as it requires a cultural shift and a change in what alot think makes them American.

It's not an uncommon phenomenon for a nation to glorify the weapon that built there nation. Various European nations used to do it with the sword but ww1 did alot to smack overt patriotism down in European nation's that and the sword has now had several century's of redundancy but even now you can buy and own any longsword or saber and we see the hangover in the number of swords in old icons, motifs, anthems and hymns. After all the unofficial anthem of England has a whole vers on weapons. "bring me my sword of burning gold...."

Ofc fundementaly a gun is far different to a sword. It's a cowards weapon that requires little skill and offers no effective defence against so the level of devastation you can inflict with it is on a while different scale.

So the question is how do you tackle something so ingrained in a culture and integral to most's national identity. Because logic is often ineffective at fighting in the world of feelings be that feelings of patriotism or agreavance.

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That's a graph of general homicide. If you take one for just homicide with firearms last time u looked America was the only 1st world nation in the top 10.

A much darker reading into that graph for a pessimist would say that Americans are just more murderous and evil than the rest of the free world.

"It's not an issue because it's not really a graph that's correct".. that logic!

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"It's not an issue because it's not really a graph that's correct".. that logic!

? Did I say it wasn't an issue.

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I have no idea how you are connecting illegal immigration and gun control. It seems guns are bigger problem in US than immigrants in most of the EU countries. I mean if germany has daily problems with immigrants it doesn't mean everyone has.

The connection is the overall worsening public security in these western countries. Both illegal immigrants and guns on streets cause ppl to feel unsafe, even fear. These are not tools and symbols of freedom, these are the tools of intimidation and oppression.

[Moshots]

Must be fun going to school and fear for your life everyday

But yet they still won't put metal detectors and atleast 1 Armed Police officer required in schools...

They put them in the high crime area's like Detroit and Chicago years ago to stop gang violence. (both have had them for 10-15+ years.) and you know what everything else might be getting shot in those cities but schools ain't.

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Oke, but if kids die every day, that must be 100% a reason to abandon all believes and cultures right? What could be more important than saving innocient lives of children?

I am not saying guns should be forbidden, altho I can count the mass shootings I lived to see in my country on 1 hand most likely. But atleast way more regulated! This kid, should NOT pass the background check

Im British and were whole hog on complete ban except for licenced Hunters and shooters then get home inspected regularly by the police.

I'm just heavily doubt full America is a reformable with how ingrained the gun is to there national identity. Or tbh even worth saving.

[Lahis]

That's a graph of general homicide. If you take one for just homicide with firearms last time u looked America was the only 1st world nation in the top 10.

A much darker reading into that graph for a pessimist would say that Americans are just more murderous and evil than the rest of the free world.

Isn't USA the only FREE country on that graph since rest of the countries there have strict control on the TOOLS OF FREEDOM?

[Corroc]

The connection is the overall worsening public security in these western countries. Both illegal immigrants and guns on streets cause ppl to feel unsafe, even fear. These are not tools and symbols of freedom, these are the tools of intimidation and oppression.

You are delusional if you think illegal immigrants are causing same kind of fear than school shootings. Fear of getting assaulted is bit different compared to fear of getting killed.

[Travis B]

I dunno i feel if we give bad people guns good people should be allowed guns too.

The question is whether this kid was a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun. He was a bad guy in that he illegally brought a gun to school. But he was a good guy in that he took himself (the bad guy) out.

It's one for the philosophers I guess.

[Machismo]

Exercising Control over 99.9% of a population because 0.1% is retarded is just pointless. Punishing the many for the idiocy of a few is plain authoritarian overreaching.

Maybe you should apply that to immigration. Just a thought.

[Lahis]

The question is whether this kid was a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun. He was a bad guy in that he illegally brought a gun to school. But he was a good guy in that he took himself (the bad guy) out.

It's one for the philosophers I guess.

[SmokesTooMuch]

Like criminals will follow gun laws and just turn em all in.....criminals dont care about gun laws.

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Im British and were whole hog on complete ban except for licenced Hunters and shooters then get home inspected regularly by the police.

I'm just heavily doubt full America is a reformable with how ingrained the gun is to there national identity. Or tbh even worth saving.

I'm sad that I have to agree with you

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Exercising Control over 99.9% of a population because 0.1% is retarded is just pointless. Punishing the many for the idiocy of a few is plain authoritarian overreaching.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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Bad people will find ways to get weapons illegally or legally. If good people don't have weapons then they are like lambs to the slaughter.

I'd rather we had no weapons but they exist and people need to be able to defend themselves.

Oke, but bad ppl in my country can get them as well ...still we only have a fraction of gun related incidents? None of the ppl on the street here have guns to defend themselfs

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Like criminals will follow gun laws and just turn em all in.....criminals dont care about gun laws.

And yet Britain doesnt have this problem. We have criminals who have guns yet most of our police are unarmed and we tend not to have mass shootings.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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Says the only developed nation without properly state funded mental health care or health care in general.

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How many stabbings do you guys have?

Not many mass stabbings occur for some reason...

[Ielenia]

But in reality enforcing those laws constantly is next to impossible. People go years or even their entire lives without ever being pulled over for driving without their license.

But if they're caught without a license, they get in trouble with the law.

Because shitty people wont give a fuck about those laws and acquire guns illegally. The columbine shootings were committed with guns obtained illegally. It wont stop it, it might make it harder but it wont deter anyone who is committed to it.

The thing here I think you're forgetting is that, with regulations, now those people, when caught, would get in trouble with the law, when otherwise they'd just go scott-free.

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Yeah because it's easier to get away with isolated cases of stabbing people than it is to stab up a group of people.

You can stab lots of people and get away, but you'd have to be a right egg to think you could stab up a room of people.

Yes I have managed to work this out for myself. Thanks v much.

[Torrasque]

Lax gun laws equal more dead children and innocent people. No shit, obvious news is obvious.

[plagueshard801]

Yea but now is not the time to talk about it. Never is. As there is more then 1 Clasified mass shooting in america each day.

Classified mass shootings? In a world where everyone has the ability to record whats going on? Unlikely.