Infowars one strike away from YouTube ban

[Machismo]

I feel like it's not worth the effort to back up my "absurd claims" because none of the sources I use will be acceptable to you and "your truth".

Of course you are unwilling to back up your absurd claims, thanks for proving my point for me. You continue to make baseless claims, so any claims you make can simply be disregarded. You also dodged the question:

Should a Christian website be required to advertise porn?

[Martymark]

Should a Christian website be required to advertise porn?

I guess in response to your weird example: Should a Christian bakery be required to make gay cakes?

[Elegiac]

Should a Christian bakery be required to make gay cakes?

Yes, provided they are selectively discriminating and not providing a niche service.

[Machismo]

I guess in response to your weird example: Should a Christian bakery be required to make gay cakes?

First off, I don't know what a gay cake is, but I can infer your meaning. No, a baker should not be forced to bake a cake for a gay couple.

Wow, answering questions is easy, you should try it.

Should a Christian website be obligated to advertise porn?

This is the point were you have to either admit to being a hypocrite, or that your whining about Google was completely disingenuous.

[daenerys]

Yes, provided they are selectively discriminating and not providing a niche service.

The most recent legal decision on the matter I think get's it right. They can't refuse to sell a cake already made and on the shelves, but they can refuse to create a requested cake with given specifications, under freedom of art and expression. They can't be forced to create things they don't want to, but you have to sell something already made.

[Martymark]

First off, I don't know what a gay cake is, but I can infer your meaning. No, a baker should not be forced to bake a cake for a gay couple.

Wow, answering questions is easy, you should try it.

Should a Christian website be obligated to advertise porn?

I think everyone should be obligated to advertise porn. Think of the beautiful world we could create together! And Google's video monopoly is closer to a public utility than it is a small business. There are effectively no other competitors.

[Najnaj]

I guess in response to your weird example: Should a Christian bakery be required to make gay cakes?

No...just like YouTube should not be able to ban gay people from viewing its content.

I can tell you with 100% certainty though that said baker has the right to stop gay bakers from going in to his bakeshop and making ...uhm... what ever the hell a gay cake is. Just like YouTube has the right to stop people publishing content on its website.

Did you actually think that you had a valid point here?

[Hablion]

i would force some companies to abide by free speech laws. facebook, twitter, youtube, etc. places that have become something akin to going out and socializing at a bar or something.

free speech much be an absolute right.

Youtube is a private space they can ban anything they want to and punish however they want. For Example if YT wanted to ban the word apple for example and you said apple then they could punish you to the full extent of their guidelines as the see fit. These private spaces don't only apply to YT or google it applies to private schools it applies here it applies at grocery stores and World of Warcraft. If you use their services you have to abide by Their rules they don't have to abide by yours.

[Endus]

I guess in response to your weird example: Should a Christian bakery be required to make gay cakes?

What the hell is a "gay cake"?

If you mean "should they be required to sell to gay customers", then that's an easy "yes".

The most recent legal decision on the matter I think get's it right. They can't refuse to sell a cake already made and on the shelves, but they can refuse to create a requested cake with given specifications, under freedom of art and expression. They can't be forced to create things they don't want to, but you have to sell something already made.

Depends on your exact meaning here.

I fully agree if someone wants a cake in the shape of an engorged, ejaculating penis, freedom of art and expression is an easy "no" if you don't make penis cakes already.

If you offer custom cakes, and a gay couple want one for their reception, and they're wanting to pick from the standard cake and icing and decoration options you offer, you should be expected to make that cake for them, even if it's not on the shelf. That list of standard options is what you offer to all customers, as is the customization from that list. If you'll write stuff on the cake, then I'd argue that fits too, if your only reason for denying that message is rooted in their protected class. For instance, if you'll put "X and Y, together forever" on a cake, with X and Y being the couple's names, then if you'll make a cake for Joe and Betsy with that writing, but not Daniel and Matthew, that's a breach of protected class laws.

In all those cases, we're talking about a cake they ARE willing to make, they're just not willing to make it for THAT particular couple, because that couple is gay. That's the issue.

[daenerys]

What the hell is a "gay cake"?

If you mean "should they be required to sell to gay customers", then that's an easy "yes".



Depends on your exact meaning here.

I fully agree if someone wants a cake in the shape of an engorged, ejaculating penis, freedom of art and expression is an easy "no" if you don't make penis cakes already.

If you offer custom cakes, and a gay couple want one for their reception, and they're wanting to pick from the standard cake and icing and decoration options you offer, you should be expected to make that cake for them, even if it's not on the shelf. That list of standard options is what you offer to all customers, as is the customization from that list. If you'll write stuff on the cake, then I'd argue that fits too, if your only reason for denying that message is rooted in their protected class. For instance, if you'll put "X and Y, together forever" on a cake, with X and Y being the couple's names, then if you'll make a cake for Joe and Betsy with that writing, but not Daniel and Matthew, that's a breach of protected class laws.

In all those cases, we're talking about a cake they ARE willing to make, they're just not willing to make it for THAT particular couple, because that couple is gay. That's the issue.

The one thing I always wonder is why this even becomes an issue. In every case where this has gone to court there's been dozens of other cake designers willing to make a cake for the gay couple in question. And would a gay couple really want a cake made for them in duress. If cake designers are forced to make cakes in duress, you know they're not going to put their best effort into it. If someone doesn't want to make something for me, or do work for me that I want, I'd want to know so that I can find someone who does, regardless of the work. Someone doing the work that wants to do it, will always do a better job.

It get's really tricky when you start saying that you have no problem forcing people to write certain things. Do you have no problem if the government forces you to write and say things you don't like? It's only writing, you write lots of things every day.

[MAGAmobile]

Except the government can't force you to do those things.

[Endus]

The one thing I always wonder is why this even becomes an issue. In every case where this has gone to court there's been dozens of other cake designers willing to make a cake for the gay couple in question. And would a gay couple really want a cake made for them in duress. If cake designers are forced to make cakes in duress, you know they're not going to put their best effort into it. If someone doesn't want to make something for me, or do work for me that I want, I'd want to know so that I can find someone who does, regardless of the work. Someone doing the work that wants to do it, will always do a better job.

It get's really tricky when you start saying that you have no problem forcing people to write certain things. Do you have no problem if the government forces you to write and say things you don't like? It's only writing, you write lots of things every day.

It wasn't about getting that particular bakery to make that cake. It's that the couple should never have been faced with that kind of prejudice in the first place. That justifies penalizing that bakery, to ensure it doesn't happen again to another couple.

[daenerys]

It wasn't about getting that particular bakery to make that cake. It's that the couple should never have been faced with that kind of prejudice in the first place. That justifies penalizing that bakery, to ensure it doesn't happen again to another couple.

So instead the Bakery will begrudgingly make a half-assed cake, and do the worst possible job at it, potentially ruining someones wedding, where as if they were denied they could have gone somewhere that would have done their best.

But based on the most recent legal precedent, a person can't be forced to make something, or write something they find objectionable. Agree with it or not.

[Machismo]

I think everyone should be obligated to advertise porn. Think of the beautiful world we could create together! And Google's video monopoly is closer to a public utility than it is a small business. There are effectively no other competitors.

Thanks for proving my point for me.

[chrisnumbers]

It wasn't about getting that particular bakery to make that cake. It's that the couple should never have been faced with that kind of prejudice in the first place. That justifies penalizing that bakery, to ensure it doesn't happen again to another couple.

Why not just let them go out of business for being pricks? So someone has to gasp in shock for a sec... big deal.

[Martymark]

Thanks for proving my point for me.

You've been bringing up christian porn over and over for so long I've forgotten what your original point was. Could you please restate it?

[Machismo]

You've been bringing up christian porn over and over for so long I've forgotten what your original point was. Could you please restate it?

It’s nice to know you support fixing a baker to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

Let me know when you can provide the evidence to back up your initial claims.

[RobertoCarlos]

So George Soros is one youtube strike away from total victory. Great :/

[Machismo]

So George Soros is one youtube strike away from total victory. Great :/

You may want to explain that.

[Elegiac]

So George Soros is one youtube strike away from total victory. Great :/

You forgot your parentheses.