WoW Classic Dungeons & Raids Difficulties

[Deleted]

So, people want to keep the feeling of vanilla WoW rightfully so, but how would you feel about a PVE prestige system?

Over the years dungeons and raiding have changed a lot: we got heroics, hard modes, and mythics. Comparably vanilla dungeons and raids are reasonably easy by these standards. Getting the gear and players might be a bit of trouble, however these fights weren't mechanically out of this world. Some were heavily overtuned and downright impossible, such as C'Thun, but this isn't the focus of this thread.

Would you as players want to see:
* All old world dungeons with an option to scale up to level 60 (nothing in between, no level 40 deadmines)
* Harder versions of this content in similar fashion to mythic+
* Increased difficulty could be implemented with bigger numbers, or with additional effects like mythic+

With this proposition in mind, I'm not proposing these dungeons give you better loot. The loot would stay entirely the same.

The purpose of this would simply be to provide players with more content and challenges when they reach the end game. It's not a catchup system, free loot system, or number expansion system.

Vanilla is its own experience in its own right, and I wouldn't want to detract from that; however I think it'd be nice to increase the amount of content for players at max level. That said, this system wouldn't need to be instantaneous. This is hardly an off-the-bat necessity, but rather something to increase options for players later down the line.

[Staysafe]

No thanks!

[Storfan]

#NoChanges.

Also, OPs impressive postcount of One (1) suggests this may be a troll thread intended to incite insurrection.

[Deleted]

That sounds horrible.

[Roxyfoxy]

It would be entierly pointless if there is no loot or some kind of reward from it. Vanilla is already quite time consuming, so noone would waste their time doing dungeons where there is nothing to gain from. Maybe do them once just for the experience and then never set foot in them.

To make it worth the money, you would either need new items, or some kind of reward for completing them so they are worth doing more than once.

But that would drasticly change what vanilla was, so no way thats going to happen. If you want different max level content retail has tons of different kinds of content.


There are so many suggestions that are thrown around that isolated looks like something that would be cool, but people fail to see how these changes affect other parts of the game. Like adding new items would kill off other dungeons and gearing paths, and would these items be more powerfull than other dungeon gear which are already very powerfull, and that would be a direct nerf to raids.

[Vorkreist]

#NoChanges.

Also, OPs impressive postcount of One (1) suggests this may be a troll thread intended to incite insurrection.

These retailer trolls should be ip banned. Evey day theres a dipshit making an alt account to ask for lfr in vanilla.

[digichi]

I would like to see players go into 40 man raids w/ less ppl if they want the challenge... If the raids are so 'easy' as some complain, or once they're outgeared, maybe some ppl in the community will see how little ppl it will take to clear a whole raid by today's standards. Down to 30, 20, maybe even 10 ?

It would be interesting to see results :-)

[He-man]

why do people keep insisting vanilla raiding was easy. this is entirely based off the fact these people have only done these raids at level 80+ and in many cases 100+ and just breaze thru them and think it "must not have been that hard back in the day" or "it was only a gear check".

this isn't true at all. the retail perception of classic is really uniformed and makes sense considering it was over 12 years ago.

people will be grinding endgame in classic servers for 2 years or maybe even more for some who miss raids every week.

[Storfan]

I would like to see players go into 40 man raids w/ less ppl if they want the challenge... If the raids are so 'easy' as some complain, or once they're outgeared, maybe some ppl in the community will see how little ppl it will take to clear a whole raid by today's standards. Down to 30, 20, maybe even 10 ?

It would be interesting to see results :-)

Onyxia was 3manned in vanilla, which was kinda cool

[babyback]

why do people keep insisting vanilla raiding was easy. this is entirely based off the fact these people have only done these raids at level 80+ and in many cases 100+ and just breaze thru them and think it "must not have been that hard back in the day" or "it was only a gear check".

this isn't true at all. the retail perception of classic is really uniformed and makes sense considering it was over 12 years ago.

people will be grinding endgame in classic servers for 2 years or maybe even more for some who miss raids every week.

Most fights pre AQ and BWL to some extent were kinda easy. Many were designed around raid damage and not boss mechanics. Once you had the gear you could basically brute force them.

If Classic will mimic vanilla raids, guilds will wipe on Onyxia at the start. But not because it’s a difficult fight it’s will be due to the raid not being geared properly.

[digichi]

Onyxia was 3manned in vanilla, which was kinda cool

i had to try find a video after seeing this, and you're right !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOKlXklfzzE

pretty cool i wonder if ppl will try other raids too..

[Deleted]

It would be entierly pointless if there is no loot or some kind of reward from it. Vanilla is already quite time consuming, so noone would waste their time doing dungeons where there is nothing to gain from. Maybe do them once just for the experience and then never set foot in them.

For fun, and to add the possibility of further challenge later down the line without compromising the gearing process/structure.

why do people keep insisting vanilla raiding was easy. this is entirely based off the fact these people have only done these raids at level 80+ and in many cases 100+ and just breaze thru them and think it "must not have been that hard back in the day" or "it was only a gear check".

this isn't true at all. the retail perception of classic is really uniformed and makes sense considering it was over 12 years ago.

people will be grinding endgame in classic servers for 2 years or maybe even more for some who miss raids every week.

As I said, mechanically they weren't all that complicated. Maybe we're just spoiled with addons like DBM, but today's fights have more mechanics going on in them.

[Nitros14]

Mythic+ is a terrible unimmersive thing that doesn't belong in classic.

The boss is the boss, the dungeon is the dungeon. One difficulty, one size.

Also I imagine people will wipe on Onyxia because someone won't understand the hitbox of tail lash and will get knocked into whelps. There's no gear requirement to Onyxia as stated people 3-manned it.

[Storfan]

Most fights pre AQ and BWL to some extent were kinda easy. Many were designed around raid damage and not boss mechanics. Once you had the gear you could basically brute force them.

If Classic will mimic vanilla raids, guilds will wipe on Onyxia at the start. But not because it’s a difficult fight it’s will be due to the raid not being geared properly.

Or because they slack on using Greater fire protection potions. Or Tank getting feared and Onyxia breathing on the raid

i had to try find a video after seeing this, and you're right !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOKlXklfzzE

pretty cool i wonder if ppl will try other raids too..

There's also the prospect of Speedruns as a challenge. 25min BWL clears etc. Crazy things will be done!

[Deleted]

Evey day theres a dipshit making an alt account to ask for lfr in vanilla.

What's their point? These wild fantasies and ideas won't happen anyway.

[Teri]

No scaling, no dungeon finder, no heroic/mythic/flex/LFR/M+.

Boss is the boss, the item is the item.

The dungeon/tier set/weapon is just that, 1 version, 1 source.

[Sunderella]

dont mess with my vanilla experience

[Storfan]

What's their point? These wild fantasies and ideas won't happen anyway.

There isnt people who actually want this or fantasize about it. These are active attempts of sabotage. Retail casuals trying to seed mayhem and discord in the vanilla enthusiast community simply because they dont like the idea of vanilla.

[Sencha]

Nope.

#oneraiddifficulty

[Teri]

Also I imagine people will wipe on Onyxia because someone won't understand the hitbox of tail lash and will get knocked into whelps. There's no gear requirement to Onyxia as stated people 3-manned it.

Attunement is still a fair requirement, at least if you did it pre-raiding early Vanilla when blues and greens were still bad.

(part of the reason I don't want it to start at 1.12 cause starter blue gear is far more powerful by then)