How do we feel these days about M+ scoring?

[Ealyssa]

Anything in the 500 shows even on the highest pop sever a sub 10 to 15 would show

That's factually wrong. Only top 100 of each dungeon counts. And top need waaaaay more than 15 to appear at the end of the week.

On my servers your run pretty much doesn't count under 19-20.

FACTUAL PROOF HERE feel free to switch between dungeons. Most are 20 minimum, a few 19.

Either you need to push really high keys for your score to improve. Or you must cherry pick someone in the LFG from a dead server to make top 100 of his server.

I really have nothing against raider.io but Blizzard really need to step up their API for BfA, top 100 way to limiting. Weekly dungeon should just be backedd in the API for every character's armory.

[Alphatorg]

That's factually wrong. Only top 100 of each dungeon counts. And top need waaaaay more than 15 to appear at the end of the week.

On my servers your run pretty much doesn't count under 19-20.

FACTUAL PROOF HERE feel free to switch between dungeons. Most are 20 minimum, a few 19.

Either you need to push really high keys for your score to improve. Or you must cherry pick someone in the LFG from a dead server to make top 100 of his server.

I really have nothing against raider.io but Blizzard really need to step up their API for BfA, top 100 way to limiting. Weekly dungeon should just be backedd in the API for every character's armory.

Factual proof that you're talking BS:
https://raider.io/mythic-plus/realms/eu/current

[Kakera]

Factual proof that you're talking BS:
https://raider.io/mythic-plus/realms/eu/current

Haha. Pooped on.

[DeadSwordz]

That's factually wrong. Only top 100 of each dungeon counts. And top need waaaaay more than 15 to appear at the end of the week.

On my servers your run pretty much doesn't count under 19-20.

FACTUAL PROOF HERE feel free to switch between dungeons. Most are 20 minimum, a few 19.

Either you need to push really high keys for your score to improve. Or you must cherry pick someone in the LFG from a dead server to make top 100 of his server.

I really have nothing against raider.io but Blizzard really need to step up their API for BfA, top 100 way to limiting. Weekly dungeon should just be backedd in the API for every character's armory.

blizzard increased it a few weeks back it just doesnt show all 500 on their website

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[MisterBigglez]

The way I see it:
if you're running with friends/guild: m+score doesn't affect you
if you're running running high keys with strangers: m+score is a very useful asset to your group building
if you're an antisocial, lazy and enjoy acting like an entitled brat: you go to mmo-champion and complain because m+score may or may not lock you out of groups.

Do you consider 15 to be high? It seems like the majority of pugs believe that 2k+ is a minimum requirement to even be considered. I only do a 15 for the weekly as m+ doesn't interest me all that much, but if I have to pug it from time to time, I have a hard time being accepted despite being 971 ilvl. If I do end up having to pug, I just use my own key, then I don't have to worry about getting into a group, but that depends on the affixes and the dungeon.

[Lord Pebbleton]

Nah your scores are based on your best runs for each instance. If someone wants, they can pull up all your runs, but that's not likely to happen unless you're applying to a 20+ with an elite group.

All good then. Maybe some groups don't need a hunter at the moment or something of sorts. I'd still be pretty mad if a new metric came out and I had to climb the ladder again, but if the best times are the ones that are taken in consideration, I'm all good.

[Softbottom]

I do a +15-17 every week ONCE so my score is pretty shit I would imagine (I haven't looked in a long time cause I don't care and always get a group or make my own and complete on time). I always run one of the same 3-4 dungeons cause I can't be bothered to do ones that are potentially more difficult - Path of least resistance. I only do 1 a week at a shot of roulette for a 960+ item. If m+ didn't offer the chest at the end of the week I wouldn't do m+.

[david0925]

15's are a joke with current normal/heroic raid gear, and if you don't care about pushing high i honestly wouldn't even care about score. It can be irritating getting turned down because your score is too low, but at the end of day they are either delaying their own run for no reason, or have more "qualified" people than you. In the second case, tough luck and just try again.

m+ score is very useful in filtering people out with no experience if you just want a smooth run, as it will also show you main score/experience if they link the characters to the account.

[Firatha]

That's factually wrong. Only top 100 of each dungeon counts. And top need waaaaay more than 15 to appear at the end of the week.

On my servers your run pretty much doesn't count under 19-20.

FACTUAL PROOF HERE feel free to switch between dungeons. Most are 20 minimum, a few 19.

Either you need to push really high keys for your score to improve. Or you must cherry pick someone in the LFG from a dead server to make top 100 of his server.

I really have nothing against raider.io but Blizzard really need to step up their API for BfA, top 100 way to limiting. Weekly dungeon should just be backedd in the API for every character's armory.

If you going to try and look informed you could at least be informed https://us.battle.net/forums/en/bnet.../20760947759#1 Just because the the display only goes to 100 does not mean the API does not go farther.

[Ealyssa]

blizzard increased it a few weeks back it just doesnt show all 500 on their website

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Oh nice. My bad then. Could have made the front page of MMOC

Factual proof that you're talking BS:
https://raider.io/mythic-plus/realms/eu/current

Sadly my points stays. As your link proves it. My server ask for at least 15 on pretty much any keys. So the "even on the highest pop sever a sub 10 to 15 would show" is PURE HORSESHIT

So while being wrong on the API, I was still factually right : low keys do not count on high level servers. Sorry for your saltyness, but not a single fuck was given ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[gioderpington]

My only issue with it is that it doesn't report your scores for your other characters. On my main and main alts, I have a damn high score. But the second I bring up an alt, they see my score if like 200 and think I haven't actually done anything. If they added an account score, I think that'd help a bit. Otherwise I see no problem with it. You can boost it the same way you boost ilvl (grinding) or just make friends and ask them to do a few with you

[Deleted]

Its fine for mains but it does make it slightly annoying on alts. My main has a 3200 Raider.io score but obviously my alts are down between 1000-2000 which makes it difficult to get into 15s. But I do more stuff with friends and guildies so doesnt really affect me

Maybe you shouldn't start with +15s on your lower geared alts that you don't perform on 100% level of your main.

Legion is definitely the most alt-unfriendly expansion ever. You can't really catch up with them, see the issue above.

[david0925]

My only issue with it is that it doesn't report your scores for your other characters. On my main and main alts, I have a damn high score. But the second I bring up an alt, they see my score if like 200 and think I haven't actually done anything. If they added an account score, I think that'd help a bit. Otherwise I see no problem with it. You can boost it the same way you boost ilvl (grinding) or just make friends and ask them to do a few with you

they do have this. Go to raider.io website and link it to your characters to your bnet account. The addon will show your main score.

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Oh nice. My bad then. Could have made the front page of MMOC


Sadly my points stays. As your link proves it. My server ask for at least 15 on pretty much any keys. So the "even on the highest pop sever a sub 10 to 15 would show" is PURE HORSESHIT

So while being wrong on the API, I was still factually right : low keys do not count on high level servers. Sorry for your saltyness, but not a single fuck was given ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They don't count if you do them on last days. 10-15 will be recorded pretty easily on the first few days of a new reset. It's the same issue as before, but since top 500 are recorded the problem is greatly ameliorated.

Don't know why you have to be so (passive) aggressive about the callout when you did badly miss the mark on this one, and even on the 100% capacity servers the lowest key recorded on the last day of the reset is still a 15 on some keys or even lower for Seat, which means that for the first half of the week, even a 12 will be registered if done on the first half of the reset because recorded runs don't get erased if they get knocked out of the top 500 (so you weren't completely wrong, barely, if someone wants to do a 10 on Tuesday on Europe for M+score on Twisting Nether that run will probably not get recorded), but i'm just a bystander in this case.

[Dracodraco]

Oh nice. My bad then. Could have made the front page of MMOC


Sadly my points stays. As your link proves it. My server ask for at least 15 on pretty much any keys. So the "even on the highest pop sever a sub 10 to 15 would show" is PURE HORSESHIT

So while being wrong on the API, I was still factually right : low keys do not count on high level servers. Sorry for your saltyness, but not a single fuck was given ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To be entirely honest I think the only one that's salty here is you, as evidenced by that comment <.<.


In any case, if you're on EU, I'm not sure you have an entirely valid point; It's literally 23 the night before the weekly reset, on an extremely easy week (volcanic+raging+tyrannical - zero interaction between any affixes, and both volcanic and raging are amongst the easiest to deal with on non-fortified). I'm willing to bet that you'd probably be just fine doing 10-15's over the weekend and still be recognised. If you can literally just build up your score on the last day of the reset, I guess you're just going to have to lose out. That's such a fringe case that I don't feel bad that such an useful tool leaves a few snowflakes behind because they can literally only do M+ the night before the resets.

Maybe you shouldn't start with +15s on your lower geared alts that you don't perform on 100% level of your main.

Legion is definitely the most alt-unfriendly expansion ever. You can't really catch up with them, see the issue above.

bullcrap. Legion is just as alt friendly as any other expansion. Titanforging makes gearing a joke, and at that point you just have to actually perform on the characters. I could literally jump into mythic Argus on any of my five alts, and I would have equal item level to raiders that's been farming mythic for months, purely because of M+ and titanforging. AP hasn't been an issue since we hit 50 AK, and legendaries come in at a rate of 1 per week on average if you actually play the alt in current content and not just raidlog it each week (1 every other week from essences, 1 every other week due to general BLP buildup).

[Tradu]

I think it should be normalized by spec but otherwise it's fine.

Doing a 22 on a warlock is a very different experience than on an Enhancement Shaman, for instance.

That doesn't matter, though. What matters is that you've done <insert key and level here> with your class/spec, it's irrelevant whether that's harder or easier than with some other spec.

[gioderpington]

they do have this. Go to raider.io website and link it to your characters to your bnet account. The addon will show your main score.

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[Deleted]

bullcrap. Legion is just as alt friendly as any other expansion. Titanforging makes gearing a joke, and at that point you just have to actually perform on the characters. I could literally jump into mythic Argus on any of my five alts, and I would have equal item level to raiders that's been farming mythic for months, purely because of M+ and titanforging. AP hasn't been an issue since we hit 50 AK, and legendaries come in at a rate of 1 per week on average if you actually play the alt in current content and not just raidlog it each week (1 every other week from essences, 1 every other week due to general BLP buildup).

Bullcrap, sure. All things are obsolete at this point of the expansion. Refering to the whole expansion by judging it by the last raid tier means incompetence.

They throw legendaries and AP at you, because it's endgame, there will be no more tiers in this expansion. No need to rush anymore to be able to clear hc/mythic in the 77 days timeframe. You have like 8 months to do Antorus.

There were almost no catch up mechanisms in 3/4 time of the expansion, when everything was current, and staying with the curve was real. You had to do everything on all of your alts (including profession questlines), pray for RNG Gods for good relics and legendaries... But you don't remember these things for sure, because you just re-subbed for the last raid tier.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Irrelevant and misleading metric for pugging mythic+. Useless as it stands for its main function and needs to be blown up and made from scratch by people who actually did Challenge Modes or at least pug regularly.

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Oh nice. My bad then. Could have made the front page of MMOC


Sadly my points stays. As your link proves it. My server ask for at least 15 on pretty much any keys. So the "even on the highest pop sever a sub 10 to 15 would show" is PURE HORSESHIT

So while being wrong on the API, I was still factually right : low keys do not count on high level servers. Sorry for your saltyness, but not a single fuck was given ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It was on the Front page, and a 15 should count on 90 percent of realms. 10, maybe not. Otherwise you can always pug a single person from a low pop realm and it will work.

Regardless, the reason you are discussing this at all is something people really need to take into consideration.
Blizzard needs to offer far more information about this AND the people who parse that information need to be far more specific about their metric for this to be a relevant gauge of the player's competency.

Completely pointless having a score not take into account successive runs on the same difficulty and even more pointless not taking into account affixes.

[Dahij]

I have not been affected by it. Been doing +15s every week since I got back in January without ever having to link some score or achievement. If people can't get into any groups (for whatever reason) it's very easy to just use their own key and get it to 15+.

[Tziva]

I don't have any inherent issue with ranking systems, as leaders have to use some kind of metric when making pug groups to increase the success probability.

Just due to the way mythic+ ranking works (I think this on the Blizz API end; not the fault of the sites that use it), I don't think the score there is particularly accurate since things like realm pop and time of the week, etc, can influence the ranking, sometimes more heavily than skill does. If grouping with someone on a low pop server and running the instance on a Tuesday afternoon can produce a drastically different result that grouping with high pop server people on a Sunday evening, even if its the same player with the same skill level, I think that's a major weakness of the system and makes it a lot less valuable for judging actual player quality.

It doesn't really affect me since I don't do mythic+ much anymore and seldom PuG. Although if I did, I'd probably be boned since I think my ranking is like... 50... since I don't care about optimising score based on the time of the week or the realm size in my groups and only the most recent four or five of my mythic runs even show up on the site. I am told it is very easy to raise your rank if you're inclined but I'm not particularly inclined to care.