Fascists Threaten to Burn Down Berkeley Bookstore

[Captain N]

You do realize that the definition of censoring does NOT exclude private entities.

Censor-to examine in order to suppress (see suppress 2) or delete anything considered objectionable

So while it doesn't violate free speech, a private organization is in fact censoring if they remove something they don't like.

When you sign up for any social media platform you agree to Terms of Service that you will not do X things on that platform. This is not censorship if you agree to not spread Hate Speech or rally a cause against a protected class. This is you violating your contractual agreement and being removed from the platform for it. You can continue to spout whatever you wish, but you are not entitled to a platform to do so.

If you think someone is being censored for failing to adhere to the contract they agreed to because of reasons I don't know what to tell you.

Which virtually every social media site does to some extent. Quit whining.

Indeed. Go to TheDonald and make a comment about how terrible Trump is with a bunch of evidence and you'll be banned out of there in 5 seconds.

[Travis B]

You do realize that the definition of censoring does NOT exclude private entities.

Censor-to examine in order to suppress (see suppress 2) or delete anything considered objectionable

So while it doesn't violate free speech, a private organization is in fact censoring if they remove something they don't like.

Which virtually every social media site does to some extent. Quit whining.

[Truefacts]

>Fascists Threaten to Burn Down Berkeley Bookstore

So Antifa threatened to burn down a book store?

[ohwell]

Which virtually every social media site does to some extent. Quit whining.

Correcting someone is whining? Quit derailing with personal attacks and trying to act like you're winning an argument by saying quit whining.

[Travis B]

Correcting someone is whining? Quit derailing with personal attacks and trying to act like you're winning an argument by saying quit whining.

No, whining about how people aren't allowed to say anything they want on social media sites is whining. It's also a sign of the maturity level of an 8-year-old.

[ohwell]

When you sign up for any social media platform you agree to Terms of Service that you will not do X things on that platform. This is not censorship if you agree to not spread Hate Speech or rally a cause against a protected class. This is you violating your contractual agreement and being removed from the platform for it. You can continue to spout whatever you wish, but you are not entitled to a platform to do so.

If you think someone is being censored for failing to adhere to the contract they agreed to because of reasons I don't know what to tell you.

That is LITERALLY the definition of censorship. Removing anything that you find offensive or against what you want is censoring. MMOC altering a post you make if it had something awful in it would be censoring. I gave you the Webster dictionary entry. Stop arguing that it is not censorship when it is in fact.

[downnola]

Tell that to the current "left" who use fascist tactics in their rhetoric. Silencing opposition, intimidating opposition, threatening and acting out on violence on the opposition. Antifa and BLM are pretty damn fascist.

This is the first time I've ever seen someone accuse BLM as being fascist.

Add another group on the list.

[ohwell]

No, whining about how people aren't allowed to say anything they want on social media sites is whining. It's also a sign of the maturity level of an 8-year-old.

Where did I whine and also actually the point is more that they just show how racist they are when Louis Farrakhan and Linda Sarsour aren't banned from these places with the vitriol they both let out.

Stop whining and falsely attributing what you perceive to be whining to people that didn't say something.

[Golden Yak]

Off with their heads.

[Captain N]

That is LITERALLY the definition of censorship. Removing anything that you find offensive or against what you want is censoring. MMOC altering a post you make if it had something awful in it would be censoring. I gave you the Webster dictionary entry. Stop arguing that it is not censorship when it is in fact.

So now you're onto spouting conspiracy theories about MMO-C altering posts they don't like as well as whining about not being able to say what you want on a platform you agreed to not speak about when you signed up? Are you really having a temper tantrum about not being able to spread lies and hate speech after you agreed that you wouldn't do it when you signed up for any social media site?

[ohwell]

This is the first time I've ever seen someone accuse BLM as being fascist.

Add another group on the list.

They do all the things I listed. Which are paramount to the dictionary definition of fascism. Claiming to be left wing because you're in favor of a minority group you just so happen to be a part of doesn't make you left wing. Plenty of BLM members have called for genocide as well.

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So now you're onto spouting conspiracy theories about MMO-C altering posts they don't like as well as whining about not being able to say what you want on a platform you agreed to not speak about when you signed up? Are you really having a temper tantrum about not being able to spread lies and hate speech after you agreed that you wouldn't do it when you signed up for any social media site?

They do.... Post a meme of any form in this thread to reply to someone and it will get removed. Say something like "Kill all the jews" and they will alter the post. That isn't a conspiracy theory that's something factual evidence can be used to produce.

Anytime you see -snip- after something where someone was infracted, that means whatever was stated was removed. Any mod will vouch for this being a truth.

Rant more thought it makes you look so much more right

Also nice straw man there about me making conspiracy theories because you made me actually sit and argue against it.

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When you sign up for any social media platform you agree to Terms of Service that you will not do X things on that platform. This is not censorship if you agree to not spread Hate Speech or rally a cause against a protected class. This is you violating your contractual agreement and being removed from the platform for it. You can continue to spout whatever you wish, but you are not entitled to a platform to do so.

If you think someone is being censored for failing to adhere to the contract they agreed to because of reasons I don't know what to tell you.



Indeed. Go to TheDonald and make a comment about how terrible Trump is with a bunch of evidence and you'll be banned out of there in 5 seconds.

And that would still be censoring. You seem to not understand the definition of the word when it was given to you already.

Stop replying with no new information refuting that it is censoring no matter who does it.

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>Fascists Threaten to Burn Down Berkeley Bookstore

So Antifa threatened to burn down a book store?

I mean I'm pretty sure they were trying to burn down the whole campus when someone they didn't like was trying to speak.

[Captain N]

They do.... Post a meme of any form in this thread to reply to someone and it will get removed. Say something like "Kill all the jews" and they will alter the post. That isn't a conspiracy theory that's something factual evidence can be used to produce.

Anytime you see -snip- after something where someone was infracted, that means whatever was stated was removed. Any mod will vouch for this being a truth.

Rant more thought it makes you look so much more right

Also nice straw man there about me making conspiracy theories because you made me actually sit and argue against it.

All of those things are clearly marked as being against the Forum Rules and are removed for being in violation of said rules. The same rules we all agreed to when we decided to start posting on this forum. Once again this isn't censorship it's items being removed that should not be present in the first place. You're literally arguing that people violating their own contractual agreements are being censored when they're punished for said violation.

Keep beating that drum that you're being censored -- all you're doing is proving that you're just mad about getting in trouble for violating the very rules you agreed to.

[Orbitus]

Tell that to the current "left" who use fascist tactics in their rhetoric. Silencing opposition, intimidating opposition, threatening and acting out on violence on the opposition. Antifa and BLM are pretty damn fascist.

Silencing hate speakers, like Milo, Ann Coulter, Richard Spencer, etc, I openly cheer. Still not as bad as actual fascists that run people over with cars and have militia groups.

[Garnier Fructis]

Who are these people? You can't be impartial and be an Independent voter, just as you cannot put all these moderates in a box. People who are partial to something most definitely have opinions about it, and I don't know one Independent that does not have a political opinion.

I'm not talking about actual independents, I'm talking about alt-right trolls that masquerade as independents. And I already got one infraction in this thread, so I'm not going to name names but I feel it should be clear who I'm talking about.

[Orbitus]

>Fascists Threaten to Burn Down Berkeley Bookstore

So Antifa threatened to burn down a book store?

No, actual fascists. Antifa aren't fascists.

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That is LITERALLY the definition of censorship. Removing anything that you find offensive or against what you want is censoring. MMOC altering a post you make if it had something awful in it would be censoring. I gave you the Webster dictionary entry. Stop arguing that it is not censorship when it is in fact.

And every social media platform has EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT. Because they own the servers. You literally have NO FREE SPEECH on places like MMO-C, Twitter, Facebook, or Youtube. They can ban you for anything they want.

[Truefacts]

No, actual fascists. Antifa aren't fascists.

So you don't know what fascism is, got it.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

So you don't know what fascism is, got it.

To be fair, neither does anybody else.

What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments has been a complicated and highly disputed subject concerning the exact nature of fascism and its core tenets debated amongst historians, political scientists, and other scholars

Each interpretation of fascism is distinct, leaving many definitions too wide or narrow.

[Allybeboba]

Cause people in Berkeley are super anti-corporatist and prefer smaller independent shops. It's the only place I've ever seen where every chain fast food place ended up closing. With the exception of that McDonalds on Shattuck, assuming they're still open.

Hell, even the Starbucks on Shattuck and Cedar was driven out and replaced by an independent coffee shop.

Though now that I'm thinking about that area, I'm starting to super miss Cheeseboard Pizza.

Who doesn’t love Ma & Pa shops... Most of my favorite food establishments are independents.

Peace

[Orbitus]

So you don't know what fascism is, got it.

Yeah, I do. Antifa is short for Anti-Fascist. I mean, if being anti-fascist makes you fascist because you punch a Nazi or shout them down, then everyone that has been against Nazis since the 30s is technically a fascist.

[Truefacts]

Yeah, I do. Antifa is short for Anti-Fascist. I mean, if being anti-fascist makes you fascist because you punch a Nazi or shout them down, then everyone that has been against Nazis since the 30s is technically a fascist.

No, you really don't. Calling someone a nazi doesn't make them a nazi, just the same as calling yourself "Antifaschistische Aktion" doesn't make you anti-fascist. When you use fascist methods to silence dissent such as calling for censorship of ideas and people you don't like and using violence as a means to force your agenda, you don't get to call yourself "antifa" unironically.