Ah I see.
Yes, I agree that it's fine with it being on the Horde.
Exodar is perfect for the Alliance, but both need a serious update along with Quel'Thalas and the Draenei Isles.
And yes, I am a Blood Elf fan - but do I believe the Blood Elves are the masters of everything? No. Do they make good Warlocks? Yes, I guess so. Are they the best Warlocks/Felweavers? No - not by any stretch of the imagination. Until they do what the Eredar and Orcs have done, Blood Elves will never be the best Warlocks.
Can Blood Elves lose the Sunwell, so Silvermoon is changed in a way which emphasizes their mastery of arcane magical practices? Yes. Should they lose the Sunwell? Honestly, I believe so - Silvermoon could be changed in a way where it's still the Blood Elf, but has more Blood Crystals and Fel Crystals dotted around.
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I definitely agree on the updating part for Silvermoon. And it should be incredibly beautiful, which all elf cities should be, whether htey're on the horde or alliance. The problem is horde fans are okay with only having hte pretty cities and seem to want alliance elves to have worse.
And definitely disagreeing that Stormwind is suitable for any elf race - void/high or night elf - when Silvermoon and Suramar are sitting there, and you have the likes of Zin'Azshari as options for night elves, Skyhold for high elves or a void adapted version of Silvermoon as a separate city.
Alliance fans covet the horde cities because they are actually perfectly represent what the high elves and night elven homes should be like properly, just like the blood elves were what should have been playable on the alliance as high elves.
This is why, blizzard either need to give them their own equally or more stunning cities, or make them share. Or remove both. The last option serves no one and does no favours to fan love.
Aww... Bad bad humans.
That's why the Blood Elves returned to Dalaran twice I suppose... Because humans are really bad and racist.
Anyways... Quel'Thalas and Silvermoon are part of Alliance Lore more than ever now. So no I don't get over it.
Also your comment about how the Alliance is all about humans and its history so bad is really funny considering what the blood elves have become in the Horde since Wotlk... Humans with long ears having faith in the light.
"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
Thanks! I didn't base the warlock design on a paladin. I just really like the voidheart warlock set, but wanted to envision it without the robe. I wish we could get a "skirt toggle" for robes in the transmog UI so I could have non-robed versions of robe sets. I also prefer seeing my character's face and hair so I went with that crown instead of the set hood.
If I were to put together void-themed paladin looks for a void elf, they'd probably be outfits like this:
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Want to know what makes me believe that draenei were originally supposed to be horde and blood elves alliance? It's the fact that the Exodar has an easily accessible back entrance right to the racial leader, while silvermoon doesn't lol!
All of these are without considering flying in mind cause there wasn't any flying in vanilla zones until cata:
Orgrimmar - side entrance to thrall
Undercity - tunnel to sylvanas
Thunderbluff - a road behind most of the structures, away from the npc's leading right to cairne/baine
vs.
Stormwind - have to go through the front gate, several choke points, and lots of npcs (prior to the docks exposing the other side but even then it's probably a longer road to Varian/Anduin).
Teldrassil - have to go through auberdine, to get to boat, to get to base of teldrassil, to use teleporter up to main city, then ride through all the npcs.
Ironforge - have to go through the front gate, ride through several choke points and npcs, before you get to the target.
It's probably just my own personal conspiracy theory but damn if it doesn't just make sense to me.
never forget the supreme high priestess of the 10,000 year old amazons had to be taught by a 40 year old human about patience, and how the humans are almost always on the spotlight despite having 25,000 year old space aliens who are supposed to be the true masters of arcane, or tough and strong dwarves, or whatnot
the Horde is properly diversified at least and it's not always orcs
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
You have to get over it. Draenei Isles is Alliance content.
Sin'dorei content is Horde content.
You've just got to look forward to a new Night Elf home and an updated Draenei isles. That will be Alliance content, whilst the Horde will see Forsaken returning to Lordaeron and an updated Quel'Thalas.
You're funny saying Alliance has bad writing and it's only about humans, when your faction butchered all of its leaders back to back. Thrall? Yeeted after Cata with no powers. Vol'jin? Becomes WC and dies. Garrosh? No comment. Baine? Alliance enthusiast. Sylvanas? Doesn't give a f about Horde except for her human boyfriend. Lor'themar? Irrelevant since the start until Azshara patch, then back to being irrelevant.
Btw we always had HE, we had their mount, their tabards and faction. We had zones with them being friendly only to the Alliance. And we had them in our cities since 2004, while your Horde leader Sylvanas still used the NE model. So don't be salty the Alliance got what was rightfully theirs. And this is the beginning. More customizations will come. Put it in your pipe and smoke it. Lemme go off on my Quel'dorei Steed while you run away on your hen (which VE also have the best version of).
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Jaina's High Elves in the Kalimdor Expedition had no problem working with the Horde in Warcraft 3, why shouldn't Quel'thalas proper? surely there would also be some Theramore High Elves who would reconnect with their Blood Elven kin and reaffirm to them that the Horde is good now since Archimonde's defeat
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
"If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"
The high elves were part of the alliance of lordaeron for like ONE year, which do not exist anymore, also as long as i know, blood elves are literally high elves, as there is not a difference between them, and void elves are tainted by the void.
Yeah, true high elves are in the horde, as they are the ones that can be truly made without any "infusion" or corruption, aka purified blue eyed belfs with no light eyes
I agree with you that W3 established lore for blood elves alienating from the Alliance. The weird thing is that these events (Garithos' racism) is not reflected in their intro at all.
It is perfectly understandable that blood elves joined the Horde at the time they did. They want to use the Horde to reach Outlands and be done with it. At that point, they did not want to make great friends with Horde races. It changed in the moment they learned about Kael's betrayal and decided to put him down. That made sense.
What does not make sense is for blood elves staying part of the Horde afterwards. It stopped making sense with Lich King's defeat. With Sunwell restored and Scourge weakened, they had no reason to stay within the Horde. With their history of leaving faction after they find their partnership not benefitial, it seems quite weird. Garrosh's reign was also based on racism and orc supremacy, needs of other Horde nations were not needed. Blood elves had to contribute their resources and precious lives to Horde's warmongering, leaving their own boarders poorly defended. They even had to invite Silver Covenant for help during Amani crisis, because Farstriders were few and likely fought elsewhere. Besides Forsaken and handful of Darkspears, Horde never provided any significant help to blood elves, they mostly drained them. For that reason, I really don't like blood elves yelling Lok'tar ogar. It paints them in submissive light, it feels that they do what they are told. It just don't feel right.
I don't mean they should rejoin the Alliance. They shouldn't. Alliance had their thalassian population from exiles. What would be most organic decision for sin'dorei is to establish themselves as sovereign neutral nation, focusing on securing their homeland, clearing Ghostlands of the Scourge and restoring their kingdom's glory. Horde Warchiefs did not allowed them to do so. They demanded to die for them in a conflicts with little importance for blood elves. If there is any faction that could provide meaningful help for blood elves, it's Argent Crusade. They have holdings close to their lands, they showed interest in cleansing Plaguelands and fighting Scourge, which is one of the main threats to Quel'thalas.
Given the narrative, the only thing the Horde did for blood elves was allowing them enter Outland alongside them. Sunwell was restored by Velen (Alliance leader) with help of Shattered Sun Offensive (neutral faction) and help of heroes (both H&A), Lich King was defeated by united effort of both factions, Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade. Horde never bother to secure Quel'thalas. Horde never bothered to help cleanse Quel'thalas. My question is, why should be blood elves interested in being part of the faction which did so little for them?
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Fair is fair. You'll get an Elf city and will probably look better than Silvermoon.
It'll just be a Night Elf and/or Highborne-like city with kaldorei assets.
Plus an updated Azuremyst and Bloodmyst Isle in comparison to the Blood Elves and Horde, getting a new Quel'Thalas storyline.
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It's not reflected, because it didn't specifically happen to the Blood Elves in Silvermoon. I mean, they were aware of it, because they didn't trust the Alliance as per the quests with the Blood Hawk Farstriders.
It was the Sunfury, who later joined the Legion, who bore the brunt of the racism.
Rommath was part of that and was very influence is not joining forces with the Alliance.
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Did it make sense for the Night Elves and Forsaken to choose their respective factions?
However bad it was, Blizzard went with it and the Blood Elves, mainly through their link with Sylvanas, sided with the Horde.
The Draenei, through their immediate meeting with the Night Elves and through a small Alliance expedition, where a night elf priestess held a position of authority - joined the Alliance. Plus, they were attacked by Sunfury Blood Elves - so relations were already sour between them and the Sin'dorei - even though Silvermoon had no true idea on what Sunstrider was doing.
Kael'thas and Rommath, having knowledge on the Mag'har Orcs who weren't corrupted by fel - that isn't really referenced. Silvermoon didn't know them, but it certainly knew Sylvanas.
Again, I'm not arguing against blood elves joining the Horde. I'm actually fine with blood elves joining the Horde and staying there until the end of WotLK. My point was about them not actually having enough motivations to stay afterwards, because the Horde only drags them to conflicts unrelated to them, costing them resources and lives of their people, leaving them unable to fully defend their homeland when Amani prepares to attack Silvermoon, or even fully retake Ghostlands and restore the land. Elves also faced mistrust and prejudice from other Horde races since they joined the faction and later even racism (hello Garrosh). They left Alliance for way less then that. Also, I'm not saying they should join the Alliance. They shouldn't.
It has also nothing to do with night elves, forsaken or draenei joining their perspective factions too.
Nah, we are talking about more elves, not more of other races. Presumably more elves means more other sub races.
but night elf worgen are worgen, why should humans be favoured as the humanoid version of those worgens givign them yet another race? why can't it be night elves who only have 1 allied race, even though elves have 2.
We want more elves, but that's not to say we want them without other races.
Your WoD scenario is when Blizzard just focused on orcs.. , no other races.
If we get naga, you can't avoid elves, they are an elf based race, whether as n allied race or full race. And an elf for them would be cool. Optional transofmation means if you hate elves you can just stay in serpent form, if you love elves you have a choice. Haters would say, give us serpent form and remove elf mode totally, the reason they say that even though they have a choice to be in serpent form all the times, is because they hate elves, and don't like you playing them.. so whether blizzard gave no elf improvements, they'd complain..because you play it, and theys ee many elves around.
The elven subraces have not increased the elf fans or elven popularity, what's happened is that the elf players have used other elf options. mostly. I think only human n umbers suffered from void elves really, but then humans are still very poppular.
Indeed. I wish they would use the term species for groups that share underlying biology and culture or ethnicity for artistic/linguistic variations on a species, like Wildhammer dwarves could be of the species dwarf but the culture Wildhammer. There could also be a tab to select an ethnicity on the character creation screen, where the customization options are bundled by cultural group.