Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Tanaria]

But they are not proper mages either, since they Draw to magic considered dangerous or dark.

Also, I'm not arguing if blood elf warlocks as organisation do anything or not. They were mostly present in Kael's forces, so great number of them were killed. A portion of Sunfury rejoined Silvermoon after Sunwell restoration, so it's possible some of their warlocks rejoined too. I had the feeling warlocks kind of fall under Magisters jurisdiction, but I might be wrong. Even priests seem to reside alongside Magisters, so I always thought they unite all kinds of thalassian spellcasters.

The last time we heard anything about the Sunfury was that they had indeed, returned to Quel'Thalas but they were providing aid to the Farstriders.

Also - I believe the Blood Elf Warrior race/class combo was part of those returned Sunfury, which would tie in to the canon lore of providing aid to the Silvermoon Farstriders.

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"...and became the Legions pawn" very interesting how you cut out the phrase by half, as if to obfuscate its complete meaning.

Sure we even had a Warlock character on WoD speaking of how she was in route of helping Liadrin's forces in Aunchindoun before joining our garrison. As if blood elves hold no prejudices or segregation solely based on class. Man, this whole narrative that the fel was a secret just doesn't add up.





Almost as if use of fel isn't a signifier of morality! Who would have thunk!?

Okay but the bit about "you could take Blood Elf warlocks out of the story and wouldn't change anything" did make me laugh. I mean sure, lets just take away the neon sign that literally said "beware of elves now, they are rude now." Like, the whole level of missing the point to not understand the function of BE Warlocks as the bare bone-est signifier that Blood Elves are the edgy version of High Elves and that they will do anything to survive.

And they did, and Warlocks continue to be a part of Blood Elf society, to the point Warlocks work with Paladins.



And I don't even get why it's an either/or scenario with you lot. The obsession people like you with things like "the race's story direction" betrays a misunderstanding that groups are not monoliths and that there WILL be different point of views. We literally see it with Umbric's scholars, the problem with them is that they were a pointed threat to the Sunwell itself.

Like for real, I just do not get the notion that a race HAS to have one single narrative direction/motivation. It's entirely unrealistic to believe that. Silvermoon was rebuilt on fel, and thankfully, unlike fans like you, Lor'themar is not going to oust its users as long as they are law abiding citizens.

So let's retake this if Fel ever gets banned from Silvermoon, shall we?

In the meantime, I will keep hoping for more Fel, undead and farstrider options for Blood Elves, and you can clutch your pearls if you want to.

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That's kinda my take too -specifically, one of the WoD garrison BE Warlock followers holds the title Magistrix-

I think it's just kinda wild to claim Blood Mages are proper mages when there's so much more overlap between them as concepts, and at the end of the day, the fact that Blizzard gave Warlocks the Verdant Spheres ability -and now fel shards- makes obvious that the Blood Mage/Warlock link was intentional.

Ok, but where, except the one, Aeda Brightdawn. Where else have we seen, prior and after that, did we see Silvermoon Warlocks working with Lady Liadrin's Blood Knights?
I mean, the Arathi Highlands was a Magister (Mage) and Blood Knight effort.

I mean, honestly - do you think me of all people, would be saying this is the Warlocks were a big thing in Quel'Thalas? No I wouldn't, but I have to face the harsh truths, no matter what Blood Elf Warlocks look like and I admit, they do look really cool - especially with green fire, but we have to face the facts. The Warlocks are a tiny olive branch, to the Magisters - the Mages of Quel'Thalas.

[Doffen]

Now my hunter can look like the farstrider she was before the catastrophic accident when she fell into the void trap(speaking of which, racial traps like Nighthuntress Syrenes Arcane traps when???)

While my Mage's affinity with the void where she infuses Arcane magic with the power of the void is still strong, blasting enemies back to the Twisting Nether.
*rgp off*

Options are nice ey.

Real Nightborne character models NOW!

NOW!

Dont fuck this up!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Ok, but where, except the one, Aeda Brightdawn. Where else have we seen, prior and after that, did we see Silvermoon Warlocks working with Lady Liadrin's Blood Knights?
I mean, the Arathi Highlands was a Magister (Mage) and Blood Knight effort.

I mean, honestly - do you think me of all people, would be saying this is the Warlocks were a big thing in Quel'Thalas? No I wouldn't, but I have to face the harsh truths, no matter what Blood Elf Warlocks look like and I admit, they do look really cool - especially with green fire, but we have to face the facts. The Warlocks are a tiny olive branch, to the Magisters - the Mages of Quel'Thalas.

Look, if you have to make the sort of "Okay, but except this one...!" kinda arguments...

My point is that Warlocks are as valid as any other role of BE society. Nothing suggests they are shunned, nothing implies they have to hide. Aeda herself proves the opposite. Countless other warlock NPC's support it.

So just like any other way I would like to see BE society grow, I think more fel options would be cool. Note that I also think Blood Elves should get Dark Ranger options because of efficiency, and because Velonara calls "both sin'dorei and forsaken (her) kin."

That's my point, Warlocks (and fel) are still a part of BE society, and unlocking DH skins would be both a way of showcasing that AND most importantly, showing that Illidari are not limited to demon hunters.

The only way I don't have the same proposal for Night Elves is because they are thoroughly Anti Fel, unlike Blood Elves.

Let's not miss the actual source of this whole tangent, which is that I think that unlocking DH and DK skin options would add so much more possibilities, so efficiently, in terms of personal immersion.

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lets gooooooo!!!!!

Now we are on the "OMG what hair colors they will be" awaiting.

Honestly, it's fun to enjoy having such a trivial concern at this point. Glad to enjoy the silly things in life

(I'm really hoping for white and black tho!! AHHH)

[FlubberPuddy]

Now we are on the "OMG what hair colors they will be" awaiting.

Honestly, it's fun to enjoy having such a trivial concern at this point. Glad to enjoy the silly things in life

(I'm really hoping for white and black tho!! AHHH)

Lol ain't that the truth!

My big 3 are black/white/brown. Anything else is extra icing on the cake

I'm in that Barney from How I Met Your Mother mood when he got two things from the vending machine and didn't care what else happened next

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Lol ain't that the truth!

My big 3 are black/white/brown. Anything else is extra icing on the cake

I'm in that Barney from How I Met Your Mother mood when he got two things from the vending machine and didn't care what else happened next

Yess, that IS the mood.

Okay but let's get silly: Let's bet on those hair colors.

Under the assumption we are simply getting BE hair colors instead of new -or from another races- These are my picks.



I know the safe bet would be to pick a red over that light blonde, but imagine if they truly keep red only for Blood Elves hehehe. A riskier bet from my end, but who knows!

[Vaedan]

The last time we heard anything about the Sunfury was that they had indeed, returned to Quel'Thalas but they were providing aid to the Farstriders.

Also - I believe the Blood Elf Warrior race/class combo was part of those returned Sunfury, which would tie in to the canon lore of providing aid to the Silvermoon Farstriders.

Returned Sunfury were stationed to defend nation borders in Ghostlands, which helped Farstriders in return, because they were responsible for the protection of thalassian borders. It does not have to mean they were merged into Farstriders. Some probably did join them, I guess former rangers most of all. There are also several sanctums, so I can certainly imagine former Sunfury magisters, blood magi or warlocks being stationed here. Most rangers would not probably know how to maintain sanctums properly anyway.

But this is the problem of Quel'thalas being frozen in time. We could actually see some sin'dorei warlocks doing things, but the whole in game area stays in weird period of TBC/WotLK transition with no updates. Over years, blood elf roles within the Horde was reduced to some Rangers/scouts here, some paladins there and mages maintaining portals to bring real powerhouses (read orcs/trolls/undead depending on the current Warchief) to the action. You see almost nothing else of them, completely ignoring their potential.

This representation makes poor justice to the original image blood elves had when they were introduced. It's almost on the level of pumpkin farming night elves in Stormwind.

speaking of which, racial traps like Nighthuntress Syrenes Arcane traps when???

I really hope they are working on class skins as a means of class customizations for next expansion.

[Doffen]

I really hope they are working on class skins as a means of class customizations for next expansion.

Yeah, I think WoW could use some sparkles now, and shaking up the classes with a lot more customizations would be a great start.

And, Star and moon infused skin for playable Night Elves when?


WHEN??

[Vaedan]

Yeah, I think WoW could use some sparkles now, and shaking up the classes with a lot more customizations would be a great start.

And, Star and moon infused skin for playable Night Elves when?


WHEN??

Legion brought transmog overhaul and some of the best transmogs (artifact skins included) game has to offer.

BfA brought Allied races as a race customizations.

Shadowlands brought vast character customizations through Barber shops.

I guess class customizations are possibly in development too. Possibly by other means then inscription glyphs. At least I hope so.

Fingers crossed for next expansion.

[Alixie]

I hope they make the "new" hair colors from scratch because the brunette colors on the Belves have this ugly mustard yellow tint to them that looks ugly on the darker skin tones. They need warmer browns.

[Kyriani]

I know the safe bet would be to pick a red over that light blonde, but imagine if they truly keep red only for Blood Elves hehehe. A riskier bet from my end, but who knows!

If they do give void elves a blonde (I mean I'd be surprised if they didn't) I hope it's the lighter one you have in the top row and not the more yellow one in the bottom row. The top one seems more muted "every day joe" blonde and less of a "bright and sunny" blonde.

Assuming the hair colors end up just being ports from blood elves, and not brand new or from other races, These are the ones I'd like to see:



That would cover the basic range of human hair colors.

[Rhlor]

But they are not proper mages either, since they Draw to magic considered dangerous or dark.

Also, I'm not arguing if blood elf warlocks as organisation do anything or not. They were mostly present in Kael's forces, so great number of them were killed. A portion of Sunfury rejoined Silvermoon after Sunwell restoration, so it's possible some of their warlocks rejoined too. I had the feeling warlocks kind of fall under Magisters jurisdiction, but I might be wrong. Even priests seem to reside alongside Magisters, so I always thought they unite all kinds of thalassian spellcasters.

Blood mage are magicians who use anima and blood. Obviously they are not the mages that we normally play that is for sure we could have a new spec but they are not warlocks.

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I'm super excited about getting short ears and new hair colours.

I feel very nitpicky and entitled, but because Blizzard keeps drip-feeding us these enhancements instead of just doing one large overhaul of the Quel'dorei, here's my remaining wishlist:

- Hair styles. Void Elves should get some normal hair styles as well. Colours are great, but the hair styles themselves mostly look "emo" for lack of a better word. This goes both ways and I think Blood Elves should also get some de-voided Void Elf hairstyles.

- Tattoos or runes. Seriously, High Elf Rangers have had cool tattoos since Warcraft 2. Allleria has them. They're so frigging cool, and should be added to the game for both Void Elves and Blood Elves.

- More face options.

- Character pose. This one is reaching a bit, but I think all races including Void and Blood Elves should have several neutral poses to choose from. It's just something about the "Blood Elf" pose that makes me think of a wasp or something. They have such an angle to them.

Why should we have tentacle hairstyles? Or are you saying that the new "normal" hairstyles that the void elves get would also have to have the blood elves?

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It's kinda disingenuous to portray BE warlocks as having the same level of canonical underground feel that humans get when BE's have never gotten flack for openly practicing fel, like at all. You bring up the Warlocks in Silvermoon being secluded, while dismissing all the other BE Warlock trainers just chilling in other areas of Quel'thalas. As disingenuous as making the connection that the lone SC Warlock someone speaks more of a races views of a class than a race that has dozens of Warlock NPC's in the world :/



And that's a matter of opinion, because there are also a lot of BE players that do not want BE's to further go into the light worshipping aspect of the race. We can all ahve our personal opinions of which themes would be more "fitting" of Blood Elves, but they are subjective, and a long cry from speaking from any authority on what Blood Elves "should" be in the future.

It's almost as if would be better that blood elves would be allowed to explore several themes rather than being pigeonholed into one and the others diminished.

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"kaelthas the most famous blood mage is not a warlock is a mage."

See this is the sort of asinine stuff that makes me completely dismiss your opinions. Guy literally has warlock and mage abilities, but to you that means "mage". FFS



Then play a botanist. I am not stopping you.

I clearly remember that Varian King of Stormwind had a female Warlock friend. she was almost like an assistant or secretary to varian in warcrime
If a warlock in draenor who thinks to help liadrin is enough to say that warlocks are very important in quelthalas society then what does it mean to stormwind society that their king has a warlock friend who works almost as his personal assistant?
I think that in general the warlocks of quelthalas are at the same level as the warlocks of stormwind

[Tanaria]

Look, if you have to make the sort of "Okay, but except this one...!" kinda arguments...

My point is that Warlocks are as valid as any other role of BE society. Nothing suggests they are shunned, nothing implies they have to hide. Aeda herself proves the opposite. Countless other warlock NPC's support it.

So just like any other way I would like to see BE society grow, I think more fel options would be cool. Note that I also think Blood Elves should get Dark Ranger options because of efficiency, and because Velonara calls "both sin'dorei and forsaken (her) kin."

That's my point, Warlocks (and fel) are still a part of BE society, and unlocking DH skins would be both a way of showcasing that AND most importantly, showing that Illidari are not limited to demon hunters.

The only way I don't have the same proposal for Night Elves is because they are thoroughly Anti Fel, unlike Blood Elves.

Let's not miss the actual source of this whole tangent, which is that I think that unlocking DH and DK skin options would add so much more possibilities, so efficiently, in terms of personal immersion.

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So by this very meaning, then with that 1 known Blood Elf Warlock, then we can say the same thing about the High Elf Warlock of the Silver Covenant, the Human Warlock who was a friend to Varian - so Stormwindian Warlocks are also a core part of Stormwind.

Nothing suggests that they are shunned - except the Tailoring Shop, which was part of the Sanctum Guild, was closed down by the Silvermoon authorities, because of the use of demons and them enslaving the Leper Gnomes.
It seems to me, that however the Sanctum now functions is completely different to when a few blood elves were joining the guild, during the era of TBC.

And my point to all of this is that Blood Elf Warlocks of Silvermoon are just the same as Human Warlocks of Stormwind, in terms of their part of their respective societies. Present, but hardly seen and hardly heard. Honestly, it's no different to Human Warlocks.

If Blizzard decides that Blood Elves should lose the Sunwell (not Silvermoon), then this might be the point where Blood Elves start using and wielding fel magic again as a larger common practice - but it's all dependent on whether Blizzard wants to retell that story.

Returned Sunfury were stationed to defend nation borders in Ghostlands, which helped Farstriders in return, because they were responsible for the protection of thalassian borders. It does not have to mean they were merged into Farstriders. Some probably did join them, I guess former rangers most of all. There are also several sanctums, so I can certainly imagine former Sunfury magisters, blood magi or warlocks being stationed here. Most rangers would not probably know how to maintain sanctums properly anyway.

But this is the problem of Quel'thalas being frozen in time. We could actually see some sin'dorei warlocks doing things, but the whole in game area stays in weird period of TBC/WotLK transition with no updates. Over years, blood elf roles within the Horde was reduced to some Rangers/scouts here, some paladins there and mages maintaining portals to bring real powerhouses (read orcs/trolls/undead depending on the current Warchief) to the action. You see almost nothing else of them, completely ignoring their potential.

This representation makes poor justice to the original image blood elves had when they were introduced. It's almost on the level of pumpkin farming night elves in Stormwind.

Mmm - possibly.

It was just the last time I heard anything, Blood Elf Warriors were the main bulk of the "returned Sunfury." I believe it was stated that the Sunfury were Kael's "most powerful warriors", but that sentence was dependent on how you interpret "warrior."

And the Blood Elf situation is better than the Night Elf one, because at least the Blood Elves do get patches where they are visible and are capable of leading by themselves. Look at 5.2, 7.1 and 8.2.

Night Elves have always had it bad, because they are second to Humans. Then, everyone else comes below the Night Elves.

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https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Sun..._Quel.27Thalas

According to this, the Sunfury provided aid to the Farstriders, which meant that the Quel'Thalas Rangers were less strained with protecting the borders of their lands.
It's dependent on how you choose to interpret this. Did the Sunfury cover the magical defenses and scry to help the Farstriders, or were they Warriors and Hunters who had joined the Sunfury to boost the Farstrider numbers in the defense of Quel'Thalas.

[Ardenaso]

congrats to everyone for your victory

now that the Alliance can get 90-100% High Elves, I want something in return; perhaps in my signature

[Rhlor]

congrats to everyone for your victory

now that the Alliance can get 90-100% High Elves, I want something in return; perhaps in my signature

the horde need alterac humans!

[BaumanKing]

If they do give void elves a blonde (I mean I'd be surprised if they didn't) I hope it's the lighter one you have in the top row and not the more yellow one in the bottom row. The top one seems more muted "every day joe" blonde and less of a "bright and sunny" blonde.

Assuming the hair colors end up just being ports from blood elves, and not brand new or from other races, These are the ones I'd like to see:



That would cover the basic range of human hair colors.

Imho pure red is way too iconic for blood elves. Velves will get maybe bright copper.

[Varodoc]

congrats to everyone for your victory

now that the Alliance can get 90-100% High Elves, I want something in return; perhaps in my signature

They are enemies of both the Alliance, whom they consider their mortal enemies, and the Horde, whom they consider mere brutes good for nothing but slave labor. As a result, the Syndicate is now hunted by both factions, with the Banshee Queen Sylvanas Windrunner, in particular, placing a bounty on their heads - guaranteeing that all captured Syndicate members will be summarily executed. In addition, Horde Warchief Thrall ordered a number of his agents, including Krusk, Drull, Tog'Thar and their leader Gol'Dir to launch an investigation into the nature of the Syndicate and its activities, but they were captured in Durnholde Keep and Gol'dir was brought to Strahnbrad, only Krusk managed to flee and now tries to free them. Thrall as well ordered to recover a necklace that belonged to a dear friend of his, Taretha Foxton - a necklace now worn by Elysa, the mistress of Lord Aliden.

You sure you want them in the Horde? Literally no one in-universe wants that. Not Thrall, not Sylvanas, and not the Alteraci themselves...

[Rhlor]

You sure you want them in the Horde? Literally no one in-universe wants that. Not Thrall, not Sylvanas, and not the Alteraci themselves...

I want Alterac humans for the horde

[Varodoc]

I want Alterac humans for the horde

You're not a character in the universe

[Vaedan]

Mmm - possibly.

It was just the last time I heard anything, Blood Elf Warriors were the main bulk of the "returned Sunfury." I believe it was stated that the Sunfury were Kael's "most powerful warriors", but that sentence was dependent on how you interpret "warrior."

I guess Sunfury were Kael's finest, be it warriors, astromancers, magisters, warlocks, rangers... the best of best who came with him to Outland, and most loyal and zealous. Naturaly, finest elven swordsman would be there as well. If I recall it correctly, Sunfury rejoined Quel'thalas in a period between TBC and WotLK, but playable warriors were available since Cata, so there is a delay. Not sure if it means something. On the other hand, you don't really need a canon explanation for a warrior class at any race, even on blood elves. Elven swordsman were known before Third War. Probably Lor'themar decided to revive their trainings. Some of the old school swordsman probably joined Blood Knights, so they were not that common at the time of TBC.

And the Blood Elf situation is better than the Night Elf one, because at least the Blood Elves do get patches where they are visible and are capable of leading by themselves. Look at 5.2, 7.1 and 8.2.

Night Elves have always had it bad, because they are second to Humans. Then, everyone else comes below the Night Elves.

It is better, but not that much. At the moment, night elves will be probably in some spotlight because of recent Elune involvement and foreshadowed "vengeance or renewal", which no doubt will end up with renewal. Blood elves on the other hand does not have any unresolved storyline, so they have to wait for what general story of the expansion will bring them. Their story is over for now. On the other hand, they are not the only race with such state. For that reason, world revamp/time skip feels like a good experiment at this point.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Sun..._Quel.27Thalas

According to this, the Sunfury provided aid to the Farstriders, which meant that the Quel'Thalas Rangers were less strained with protecting the borders of their lands.
It's dependent on how you choose to interpret this. Did the Sunfury cover the magical defenses and scry to help the Farstriders, or were they Warriors and Hunters who had joined the Sunfury to boost the Farstrider numbers in the defense of Quel'Thalas.

Well, these two interpretation does not contradict themselves, both could easily happened. Sunfury rangers, rogues and warriors reinforced and rejoined Farstriders, an organizations which suits their needs. The rest could be stationed on sanctums and other important spots or be responsible for defense of setlements in Ghostlands or just clearing the remaining Scourge. I guess Sunfury would not be really trustworthy at the time, so giving them that dangerous job which nobody wants to do seems as a way to attone for their involvements with Kael's betrayal... but it's just speculation on my part.

I can also imagine that former Sunfury who were in touch with Higj Astromancer Solarian and probably went to a research of the Void later joined the Umbric's group and formed void elves later on. They were shown to move around Ghostlands because of their research of Dar'Khan's knowledge. Just speculation, but it kind of makes sense.

[elbleuet]

Ear size and natural hair color ? Huge win for us.

Now I will finally get the impression to play a real high elf.

Thanks Blizzard. At long last !

Void elf are now one of the most appealing races in Warcraft.