Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Kyriani]

As I predicted, the official forums are starting to see comments such as:

"They’ve caved to wishes for reasons, but they still haven’t changed the name of the race or anything."

"You still can't be paladins"

"No matter what you RP your race still says void elf"

[Tanaria]

As I predicted, the official forums are starting to see comments such as:

"They’ve caved to wishes for reasons, but they still haven’t changed the name of the race or anything."

"You still can't be paladins"

"No matter what you RP your race still says void elf"

High Elf Paladins were rare at best.
Most High Elves of the Light were mainly Priests (or Mage-Priests if one wishes to be technical about) but, Priests nonetheless.

Only a few like Mehlar Dawnblade, were High Elf Paladin trainees.

[Kyriani]

High Elf Paladins were rare at best.
Most High Elves of the Light were mainly Priests (or Mage-Priests if one wishes to be technical about) but, Priests nonetheless.

Only a few like Mehlar Dawnblade, were High Elf Paladin trainees.

Agreed. But now that the hair is on it's way the opposition is scrounging for any little thing they can use to try and make the happy people... stop being happy.

[Vaedan]

By "Starcursed", do you mean something like this?







(The second one is from League of Legends)

Patience, it shall come in due time. I mean, it took them 3 years to give us fair skin customization options after all, despite the fact that the Ren'dorei leader retains her fair form, and so they should have been available right from the start...

Exactly something like this. To be honest, these concepts interests me way more then natural hair colors for my character and I think it's good way to build upon special theme and aestetics of void elves. Their racial mount and heritage armor has that otherworldly feel to them, so that would go well with the racial design and would distinguish them well from other elven groups. I wouldn't even mind night elves having their astral/stellar features too, building some more connection between Alliance elf nations. That could be interesting.

did you ever see dark ranger in quelthalas? never, because they were sylvanas loyalists. dark rangers were always forsaken and whenever you saw them it was in forsaken territory or serving their mistress sylvanas.
dark ranger is forsaken theme even a human undead and undead night elf are dark ranger.

It is not thematic blood elf. give me more light customization, magister and farstrider tattoos that's blood elf theme

Obviously not in game, because Quel'thalas is frozen in TBC era and Blizzard started to use Dark Ranger NPCs since WotLK.

There were Dark Rangers in Sunwell manga if I remember correctly and also in Three Sisters comics. Sure, they serve mostly Sylvanas, so we see them wherever she orders them to be, but the fact some of them sticked with the Horde because they care about their people, which are described as BOTH Forsaken and Sin'dorei means that they care about their homeland.

In fact, they gave their lives in defense of Quel'thalas and obviously want to protect it in their death too. They abandoned their mistress to stay with their people. It's quite good proof of their loyalty if you ask me.

High Elf Paladins were rare at best.
Most High Elves of the Light were mainly Priests (or Mage-Priests if one wishes to be technical about) but, Priests nonetheless.

Only a few like Mehlar Dawnblade, were High Elf Paladin trainees.

I never understood the desire for High Elf paladins. It's mostly blood elf thing which started with Blood knights. Blood elves also have way deeper connection to the Light then high elves ever did.

If we are ever getting class skins for certain racial themed classes, I can certainly imagine Void knight skin for Void elf paladins. Other then that, it definitely does not fit the race in the slightest.

[shoc]

Does anyone else want MORE void instead of more Blood Elf.

[Rootsbum]

Does anyone else want MORE void instead of more Blood Elf.

100% tentacle hair, darker purple/blue skin and Nzoth-eyes? Yes, super-yes
Heck, give me tentacles instead of arms as well

In glad they go the HighElf way too though, as void elf feels so halfassed I would rather be a High elf

[Kyriani]

Does anyone else want MORE void instead of more Blood Elf.

Now that my hair color wants seem to be being addressed... yes? I may want the high elf aesthetic, but once I am sure I have that (to be determined by the 5 colors we end up getting), then I am all for more void aesthetic options.

I'd like to see an option to make entropic embrace look like Alleria's (hers is darker and she has luminescent purple tinged white hair). I'd like to see a skin tone and hair color option to look like I'm in entropic embrace all the time. I'd like to see a tentacle toggle for the hair (like the night elf vine toggle) that lets me add tentacles to any hairstyle that doesn't have them (even bald!), and also to remove them from the styles that do (even going full void aesthetic, I don't always want tentacles with certain mogs). The toggle would make it so that any future hairstyles added to void elves would always have the option for tentacles or not instead of some styles having them and some not.

And if I want to ask for stuff beyond the scope of my character aesthetics, I'd love some sort of option to make all my spells/skills/attacks use the blue-black void coloration that npc void spells have. Even cooler would be if activating that option didn't just change the visual effects of the spells, but renamed them and changed their icons too! So for example, instead of arcane barrage, it would be void barrage


Purely a visual change, but it would make me happy.
Still, that seems like it would be quite the undertaking, so I won't hold my breath for that.

I'll be content as long as black hair is an option and I can look like this:



Once I have that, my requests will be for more void themed aesthetics.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Rhlor is rightfully dismissing Warlocks because they never were a core part of Silvermoon society. The uptake of the practice was niche and small. The Warlock uptake has likely also been hindered when the Silvermoon authorities founded Keleen's shop and what he was doing. The Sanctum guild likely put under very heavy sanctions.

I'd argue that we've already got the best and most suitable "Warlock" features on Blood Elves, through their green eyes. I can't think of anything more that makes sense and would work.

You've got to remember that it was fel radiance throughout Quel'Thalas that turned their eyes green. It was not the Silvermoon populace gorging themselves on fel energy or fel magic. The Sunfury Blood Elves who later attacked Silvermoon, were the ones who had gorged themselves on fel magic.

All I see you is using the argument of "well most Blood Elves didn't use fel" to keep pushing the idea that fel has no place on BE society. That's utterly transparent. Nothing worse than a BE fan that discards all the sacrifices the BE fel users to keep Quel'thalas alive during the strife. For Shame.

Now, as far as "Death" goes - again, if we go into it, the whole idea of "death" was something that affected the Elves when they still called themselves "High Elves." The only time we've seen raised Sin'dorei were those of the San'layn. Many Rangers and Warriors fell during the Third War and were raised into undeath, like Sylvanas, Velonara and Koltira.
Perhaps the "death" theme is more related to the High Elves, than the Blood Elves as the main slaughter happened to Quel'dorei populace and the San'layn were just a portion of the Illidari armies, before Illidan retreated back to Outland.

And you are now literally making the point that the elves that died defending their homeland wouldn't have proudly take on the mantle of Blood Elves. Please, tell me how many undead high elves there are on the alliance. The gall to try to say most undead elves wouldn't chose to stand by Quel'thalas if they had the choice -like the most of rest of their people did-

JFC, why is it up with fans like you trying to sanitize everything about Blood Elves that doesn't fit your own sanitized version of them? High Elf fans are not the true enemy of Blood Elves, is people like you that keep pushing BE's to only be waht you deem acceptable, and it's appalling.

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Dark ranger new hero class?? for blood elves and night elves right? if is a new hero class and their own faction for me is fine

I find very unlikely we will be getting Dark Rangers as a Hero Class.

[ravenmoon]

She wasn't a leader, but Shinfel Blightsworn was a Blood Elf Warlock who fought Cho'gall alongside the Horde.

Aside from her, we only have the Archaeology trainer, Elynara, who is - for all intensive purposes - the only real known Blood Elf Warlock in Silvermoon.

People need to separate the Sunfury Blood Elves from the Silvermoon Blood Elves. The former were the ones who did the whole "Warlock/Fel" thing and took it to the extremes. These are the "angry bad boy" blood elves that @ravenmoon likes.
Silvermoon Blood Elves took up the practice of draining the magic out of living things...a questionable Arcane magical practice, not related to fel. In the main, Horde Blood Elves of Quel'Thalas, still remained as "Mages." Very few became Warlocks.

I like them because they were distinct, and I think many did, different from high elves, which I also like. What blizzard settled for is making the blood elves largely high elven with some power hungry and bad boy vesitges.
@Rhlor may be right a lot of those warlocks sin'dorei might have gone to the void elves, but the two aren't strictly related, as these guys wanted to study the void from all disciplines and there is no specific mention either of void elf warlocks. The themes do go well together if they never wanted to do that.

I think San'layn and undead blood elves should be part of the blood elf story, but there is no harm them intersecting the forsaken story because they're undead. The forsaken are primarily a human undead group. While undead can come from every race, the faction we play are human undead, it doesn't really mesh imo that the blood elves have nothing to do with them but the forsaken should.

I'm not advocating for blood elves and San'layn or Darkfallen to be good friends to stroke my bad boy desire.. no, but they can be an interesting element with both positive and negative nuances in the story of the high elven people we call the Thalassian elves.

As such , they make the blood elf and Thalassian elf story richer ..they are afterall, elven, not human, even if their state is undead.

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All I see you is using the argument of "well most Blood Elves didn't use fel" to keep pushing the idea that fel has no place on BE society. That's utterly transparent. Nothing worse than a BE fan that discards all the sacrifices the BE fel users to keep Quel'thalas alive during the strife. For Shame.

agreed 100%, for me, i think it is an interesting dimension that shouldn't be discarded, warlocks is such an anti-high elf theme, part of the blood elf identity being divorced from the high elven has this as one of the main sticking points.

While it hasn't really been expounded on, it would be a shame to discard it and it has an air of "I want blood elves to be more high elven than anything else" - which isn't wrong or anything, if that's what you want, I just don't think that's what blood elven means.. but hey, it could be. I liked blood elves being blood elves and high elves high elves. Always accepted some overlap and nuance.. but one of the main differences is willingness and drive to empower with a fair degree of recklessness, and the warlock theme is right at home there.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Now that my hair color wants seem to be being addressed... yes? I may want the high elf aesthetic, but once I am sure I have that (to be determined by the 5 colors we end up getting), then I am all for more void aesthetic options.

I'd like to see an option to make entropic embrace look like Alleria's (hers is darker and she has luminescent purple tinged white hair). I'd like to see a skin tone and hair color option to look like I'm in entropic embrace all the time. I'd like to see a tentacle toggle for the hair (like the night elf vine toggle) that lets me add tentacles to any hairstyle that doesn't have them (even bald!), and also to remove them from the styles that do (even going full void aesthetic, I don't always want tentacles with certain mogs). The toggle would make it so that any future hairstyles added to void elves would always have the option for tentacles or not instead of some styles having them and some not.

And if I want to ask for stuff beyond the scope of my character aesthetics, I'd love some sort of option to make all my spells/skills/attacks use the blue-black void coloration that npc void spells have. Even cooler would be if activating that option didn't just change the visual effects of the spells, but renamed them and changed their icons too! So for example, instead of arcane barrage, it would be void barrage


Purely a visual change, but it would make me happy.
Still, that seems like it would be quite the undertaking, so I won't hold my breath for that.

I'll be content as long as black hair is an option and I can look like this:



Once I have that, my requests will be for more void themed aesthetics.

Finally black hair AHHH!!! You know I have also being very into the idea of a tentacle toggle that also adds tentacles to the hairstyles that don't have them.

Also indeed, We could have so much more customization in terms of spell effects to add more flavor to our characters, like green fel fire did. "Void" spell effects would not only help void elvesm but also Kul Tirans and Undead.

As for racials. I don't find the racials personally that intrusive, but I would be cool that we got more ways to customize our racials aesthetics.

[Rhlor]

Exactly something like this. To be honest, these concepts interests me way more then natural hair colors for my character and I think it's good way to build upon special theme and aestetics of void elves. Their racial mount and heritage armor has that otherworldly feel to them, so that would go well with the racial design and would distinguish them well from other elven groups. I wouldn't even mind night elves having their astral/stellar features too, building some more connection between Alliance elf nations. That could be interesting.



Obviously not in game, because Quel'thalas is frozen in TBC era and Blizzard started to use Dark Ranger NPCs since WotLK.

There were Dark Rangers in Sunwell manga if I remember correctly and also in Three Sisters comics. Sure, they serve mostly Sylvanas, so we see them wherever she orders them to be, but the fact some of them sticked with the Horde because they care about their people, which are described as BOTH Forsaken and Sin'dorei means that they care about their homeland.

In fact, they gave their lives in defense of Quel'thalas and obviously want to protect it in their death too. They abandoned their mistress to stay with their people. It's quite good proof of their loyalty if you ask me.



I never understood the desire for High Elf paladins. It's mostly blood elf thing which started with Blood knights. Blood elves also have way deeper connection to the Light then high elves ever did.

If we are ever getting class skins for certain racial themed classes, I can certainly imagine Void knight skin for Void elf paladins. Other then that, it definitely does not fit the race in the slightest.

in 4.1 the only force of the horde that went to help against the amani were the darkspear, I did not see any undead helping, but in Cata I saw many undead helping other undead in their genocidal campaign.
the undead have their own facion are the forsaken.

[Kyriani]

Finally black hair AHHH!!! You know I have also being very into the idea of a tentacle toggle that also adds tentacles to the hairstyles that don't have them.

Also indeed, We could have so much more customization in terms of spell effects to add more flavor to our characters, like green fel fire did. "Void" spell effects would not only help void elvesm but also Kul Tirans and Undead.

As for racials. I don't find the racials personally that intrusive, but I would be cool that we got more ways to customize our racials aesthetics.

A tentacle toggle just makes sense. It would essentially "double" the number of hairstyles that void elves have without actually having to make or port any new hairstyles (not that I wouldn't want more hairstyles added). It also future proofs any new hairstyles added down the road.

And yea spell effect customization would be great for everyone imo, not just void elves.

[Rhlor]

I like them because they were distinct, and I think many did, different from high elves, which I also like. What blizzard settled for is making the blood elves largely high elven with some power hungry and bad boy vesitges.
@Rhlor may be right a lot of those warlocks sin'dorei might have gone to the void elves, but the two aren't strictly related, as these guys wanted to study the void from all disciplines and there is no specific mention either of void elf warlocks. The themes do go well together if they never wanted to do that.

I think San'layn and undead blood elves should be part of the blood elf story, but there is no harm them intersecting the forsaken story because they're undead. The forsaken are primarily a human undead group. While undead can come from every race, the faction we play are human undead, it doesn't really mesh imo that the blood elves have nothing to do with them but the forsaken should.

I'm not advocating for blood elves and San'layn or Darkfallen to be good friends to stroke my bad boy desire.. no, but they can be an interesting element with both positive and negative nuances in the story of the high elven people we call the Thalassian elves.

As such , they make the blood elf and Thalassian elf story richer ..they are afterall, elven, not human, even if their state is undead.

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agreed 100%, for me, i think it is an interesting dimension that shouldn't be discarded, warlocks is such an anti-high elf theme, part of the blood elf identity being divorced from the high elven has this as one of the main sticking points.

While it hasn't really been expounded on, it would be a shame to discard it and it has an air of "I want blood elves to be more high elven than anything else" - which isn't wrong or anything, if that's what you want, I just don't think that's what blood elven means.. but hey, it could be. I liked blood elves being blood elves and high elves high elves. Always accepted some overlap and nuance.. but one of the main differences is willingness and drive to empower with a fair degree of recklessness, and the warlock theme is right at home there.

undead blood elf? I can accept that the san'layn cannibal monsters before serving the lich king and now the jailer were blood elves. but the dark rangers were high elves.
the undead have their own faction is the forsaken faction. the blood elves have their own faction the kingdom of quelthalas.

there are also high elves warlocks and there are even high elves as part of the cult of the damned or serving the old gods. the important thing about being a blood elf is to be a patriot and fight to protect quelthalas and the sunwell, are there warlocks between blood elves? yes, as there are human warlocks.
do you know a warlock blood elf organization? None because they are a small minority who were never important in the Quelthalas society and they do not have a leader because I repeat they are not important and there are very few.

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All I see you is using the argument of "well most Blood Elves didn't use fel" to keep pushing the idea that fel has no place on BE society. That's utterly transparent. Nothing worse than a BE fan that discards all the sacrifices the BE fel users to keep Quel'thalas alive during the strife. For Shame.



And you are now literally making the point that the elves that died defending their homeland wouldn't have proudly take on the mantle of Blood Elves. Please, tell me how many undead high elves there are on the alliance. The gall to try to say most undead elves wouldn't chose to stand by Quel'thalas if they had the choice -like the most of rest of their people did-

JFC, why is it up with fans like you trying to sanitize everything about Blood Elves that doesn't fit your own sanitized version of them? High Elf fans are not the true enemy of Blood Elves, is people like you that keep pushing BE's to only be waht you deem acceptable, and it's appalling.

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I find very unlikely we will be getting Dark Rangers as a Hero Class.

although i guess in the future we will have another new hero class

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

undead blood elf? I can accept that the san'layn cannibal monsters before serving the lich king and now the jailer were blood elves. but the dark rangers were high elves.

Seriously I can't side eye you enough, as if the elves that died defending Quel'thalas wouldn't have renamed themselves Blood Elves with pride if they could have.

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although i guess in the future we will have another new hero class

Doesn't make Dark Ranger hero class any more likely.

[Rhlor]

Seriously I can't side eye you enough, as if the elves that died defending Quel'thalas wouldn't have renamed themselves Blood Elves with pride if they could have.

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Doesn't make Dark Ranger hero class any more likely.

They renamed themselves forsaken and were the most loyal forces of their mistress sylvanas who was the queen of the forsaken. a shame then i guess people who want to play dark ranger won't be able to do it
Or maybe they could give elf customization to the forsaken since it is part of the fosaken faction
most of the dark rangers chose to serve sylvanas against quelthalas
those who used fel to restore quelthalas were the mage and while the warlocks only used it as a drug or were part of the forces of kael that betrayed quelthalas

[Tanaria]

All I see you is using the argument of "well most Blood Elves didn't use fel" to keep pushing the idea that fel has no place on BE society. That's utterly transparent. Nothing worse than a BE fan that discards all the sacrifices the BE fel users to keep Quel'thalas alive during the strife. For Shame.

And you are now literally making the point that the elves that died defending their homeland wouldn't have proudly take on the mantle of Blood Elves. Please, tell me how many undead high elves there are on the alliance. The gall to try to say most undead elves wouldn't chose to stand by Quel'thalas if they had the choice -like the most of rest of their people did-

JFC, why is it up with fans like you trying to sanitize everything about Blood Elves that doesn't fit your own sanitized version of them? High Elf fans are not the true enemy of Blood Elves, is people like you that keep pushing BE's to only be waht you deem acceptable, and it's appalling.

It's about being honest. I'm not denying that Warlocks are still involved in Silvermoon society, but their usage is extremely small.
I could lie about Blood Elves being these extremely good Warlocks and the fel green eyes symbolizes their power over fel - but it's all lies and fandom headcanon.

As somebody who has studied Silvermoon Blood Elf lore since 2009, I can honestly tell you that trying to emphasis a very niche concept within Silvermoon society is a little silly. Hell, we've got the "Warlock" feature already with the green eyes.

And the whole "death" thing is fairly underused as far as the blood elf involvement goes. How an elf in question chooses to identify is entirely up to them. Koltira identifies as a Blood Elf Death Knight, whilst Dread Commander Thalanor considers himself a High Elf Death Knight.

Now as far as Silvermoon society goes - again, neither the Thalassian Death Knights nor the San'layn have any direct involvement within Quel'Thalas' affairs. The latter only dealt with the Zandalari and Forsaken (as far as allies go) and the Night Elves (as far as adversaries go.)

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

They renamed themselves forsaken and were the most loyal forces of their mistress sylvanas who was the queen of the forsaken. a shame then i guess people who want to play dark ranger won't be able to do it
Or maybe they could give elf customization to the forsaken since it is part of the fosaken faction
most of the dark rangers chose to serve sylvanas against quelthalas
those who used fel to restore quelthalas were the mage and while the warlocks only used it as a drug or were part of the forces of kael that betrayed quelthalas

Did you forgot that Velonara, who died protecting Quel'thalas, chose to lead the remaining Dark Rangers as part of the Horde?

It's easy to dismiss disagreeing opinions when you keep dismissing the facts that don't support your opinions.

[Rhlor]

Did you forgot that Velonara, who died protecting Quel'thalas, chose to lead the remaining Dark Rangers as part of the Horde?

It's easy to dismiss disagreeing opinions when you keep dismissing the facts that don't support your opinions.

the dark rangers who did not follow sylvanas are now under the care of calia one of the leaders of the forsaken

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

It's about being honest. I'm denying that Warlocks are still involved in Silvermoon society, but their usage is extremely small.
I could lie about Blood Elves being these extremely good Warlocks and the fel green eyes symbolizes their power over fel - but it's all lies and fandom headcanon.

As somebody who has studied Silvermoon Blood Elf lore since 2009, I can honestly tell you that trying to emphasis a very niche concept within Silvermoon society is a little silly. Hell, we've got the "Warlock" feature already with the green eyes.

That you "headcanon" the relevance of Blood Elf Warlocks doesn't make you an expert, just biased.

My point is that all of your speculation about warlocks being a small part of BE society is that, speculation.

Warlocks were incredibly important on those first few years as part of the new BE identity, and while we can theorize about their current standing within BE society, it really is just speculation from your part to diminish their role, by calling them "very niche".

Blood Elves and Forsaken remain the two Horde races were Fel usage was never shown as taboo.

[Tanaria]

That you "headcanon" the relevance of Blood Elf Warlocks doesn't make you an expert, just biased.

My point is that all of your speculation about warlocks being a small part of BE society is that, speculation.

Warlocks were incredibly important on those first few years as part of the new BE identity, and while we can theorize about their current standing within BE society, it really is just speculation from your part to diminish their role, by calling them "very niche".

Blood Elves and Forsaken remain the two Horde races were Fel usage was never shown as taboo.

Apologies - I made a typo - I meant to say that I'm NOT denying that Warlocks are still part of Silvermoon society.

And no - the Blood Elves' use of fel wasn't the key that made them different and caused the rift between those who left. The straw that broke the camel's back was when Rommath returned and was teaching the populace how to siphon arcane energy from the creatures of the land.

High Elves have used fel and demonic magic before, as per Summoner Nolric. Fel isn't the key here as Humans, Orcs, Undead and Gnomes also used fel and demonic magic. The key was siphoning magic out of the creatures. An arcane practice...but questionable, by those who took exile.