Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Highwhale]

Why not make a new model for the High Elves, something in between Night Elves and Blood Elves.
We know that High Elves are evolved from the Night Elves after they left for the Eastern Kingdoms. So why not make the High Elves a new model to look as a link in between the 2 races. I know Blood Elves are just High Elves with a different name but we could retcon it that when they started using fel energy it changed them into the actual model of the Blood Elves.

This way horde keeps their light skinned model. Alliance gets their High Elf fantasy fulfilled and everyone is happy.
This way things would be fair as horde got Nightborne elves as new model whilst Alliance got Void Elves which are just copy pasted Blood Elves with some emo phase.

Exactly this. Make new model just like for Nightborne and retcon the shit.

But no sayers still hysterically scream "stop asking for out toys!".

I'm lazy but somewhere in this thread someone linked fan made HELF model based on Nightborne model. There also was HELF model based on female human and male Night Elves.

[Sorrior]

They won this war, yet they still have urge to convince us, their doctrine is right.

I still say battle..and probably war buut in 1 2 maybe 3 years when subs dip and WoD 2 is failing ohhh they know what button to press to get people.. only question is will it be too late.

[Syegfryed]

https://imgur.com/a/uXxisfD another pile of gems

can't stop, won't stop ©

i like how names have been changed, but the icons no, so we stil know who they are.

also, i"if we sit irl we would be pro-HE in 2m" what a tough gy

So... anti high elf people want to close this thread...
But its them who post the most here!

I have a feeling they all would immediately roll alliance high elves the moment they were released

some pro-high elf are asking to close this as well, so don't be like that

About Nightborne. I was talking about skin color. Explain why Horde is allowed to have dark skinned elves since by Ion logic its Alliance theme and fair skin is Horde theme.

because night elf and nightborne skin color is not the same, they are not the same main theme

both are different races with similar skin color

blood/high elves have fair skin color, just like humans and dwarfs, cause they are different races, so the color don't matter

[Sorrior]

Ion's logic - Alliance is forbidden to have fair skinned elves because its damages faction uniqueness. Meanwhile Horde is allowed to have dark skinned elves (Nightborne) that belong to Alliance theme (Night Elves / VELF). What a hypocrite.

If they wanted they could make HELF the same way they did Nightborne - edit BELF skeleton/model like they edited NELF's for Nightborne. But its means Alliance getting actual time and effort for Allied Race that is forbidden. Because Horde BIAS.

And DON'T tell me about Kul Tiran - we all know this fatso were made only because they will be great base for creating another LONG TIME ASKED Horde Allied Race - Ogres/Mok'nathal.

"Horde waiting for you". Yea Ion. I guess I will answer you with same attitude - FFIX is waiting for my money. Not you.

Not to be anal buut do you kean IX. XI or XIV(IX being one of my favorites genuine question)

[Highwhale]

Not to be anal buut do you kean IX. XI or XIV(IX being one of my favorites genuine question)

Damn. I miss typed FF14.

As for JRPG I always prefered Phantasy Star since Sega Genesis was thing. My fave was 4th one.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

this is the closest you'll get.

[Sorrior]

Not really. We already got High Elves in WoW now and we -KNOW- for a fact they look exactly like blood elves but blue eyes. They can't 'evolve' to change at this point unless you FORCE them to change their appearance, twisting them and what not - which kinda happened and it resulted with Void Elves which you clearly didn't enjoy.

But let's say they suddenly all woke up one day and looked different... Tell me how they would make them look different. Maybe white eyes since that is what they had in WC3, hm? But oh, that would mean they are not blue eyed and that's a NO GO, obviously.

Uh hih..we don't know shit about looks. See vanilla sylvanus, high elves and any stray be, see bc sylvanus and so on

Models can and have been changed they just use the easier version.

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No they cant evolve, but they can adapt, as you said about kul tirans..
Also which high elves do you mean?
these?


or these?


or these?

Honestly the time argument bugged me. As if living outside the city wouldn't change them a bit and not like elves in general don't seem to adapt and even evolve at crazy fast rates. Trolls too actually.

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Because from what I know, the Kul Tiran humans had... centuries on them. Probably millennia. I'm not quite sure when humans first arrived there.

The other, 20-ish years or so?

Annd for elves 20 years seems to be plenty of time.

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Yeah but as we can see, there are normal kul tirans who look exactly same as stormwind humans, so how does this work? only those who work really really hard will be blessed with half-giantness?

.. also 20 years is completely reasonable for high elves to have different body shape and posture, if you change how you eat and how much you change your daily life from being city slob to forest folk(if we talk about highvale elves)

Plus the whole fact it takes under a year fot a withered elf to come from say a BE or a NB when cutoff. The fact the HE learned to do woth less magic probably would play a big part too. Not becoming withered but a bit bigger relying on strength a bit more but getting magic from artifacts when they can as i see it.

Would make alot kf sense they would adapt imo

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Well that's what I'm asking here, how would they look different? So far I only get 'weight' as an idea. So they will either look more fat or look more skinny.

In which case they could just use the forsaken model like the skinny and rather unhealthy looking Kul Tiran humans.



Yeah, agreed. It's better if people can just accept it and move on with other things. Who knows, maybe that way if they DID add in high elves, they'll get a great surprise!

Bit bigger more muscular a slight glow in the eyes but likely less pronounced due to consuming less magic until the sunwell was fixed.

Hell could even say a group decided not to go back to the well and focused on artifacts still or other sources while honing their more physical attributes. Think arcan dor in a way a mix of nature and arcane.

And no not nature elves they haven't gone feral or completely about nature balance(though you COULD say they worked with some NE to help curb their magic list hell even yse a NE model and tweak it some)

Many ways it can be done imo

[Syegfryed]

Uh hih..we don't know shit about looks. See vanilla sylvanus, high elves and any stray be, see bc sylvanus and so on

Models can and have been changed they just use the easier version.

things don't work like this, they must have reason of why the change happened

Sylvanas model change because she use a reskin for another race, then she get a unique model.

High elves had a model, then they got updated for the actual "canon" model, this is it, and they are not different.

To have a new model they would need to have some mutation or Evolution, like other races with magic ( what they did with void elves) so instead of just changing color, you want a change in the model ( again, this only reforce the argument of HE fans just wanting to be legolas) to keep the skin colors and theme who already is playable, dismissing the blood elves core fantasy.

Its the same to say:
"- we want outland maghar orcs
- but you already get brown orcs
- they are not the same thing dammit! they can change their model!1!!"

and lets be honest, people want a "new high elf model" just to be the actual mode but enhanced, still the same pretty elf, no one actually gave the idea of then becoming ugly deformed fucks like the nightborne compared to night elves

[Highwhale]

things don't work like this, they must have reason of why the change happened

Sylvanas model change because she use a reskin for another race, then she get a unique model.

High elves had a model, then they got updated for the actual "canon" model, this is it, and they are not different.

I can use you logic too. Now High Elves use Blood Elves model because HELF model currently don't exist.

To have a new model they would need to have some mutation or Evolution, like other races with magic ( what they did with void elves) so instead of just changing color, you want a change in the model ( again, this only reforce the argument of HE fans just wanting to be legolas) to keep the skin colors and theme who already is playable, dismissing the blood elves core fantasy.

Also explain what mutation makes Kul Tiran fat and half giants. Same question why Zandalari have staight back and Dark Spear trolls don't?

[Goldielocks]

Those are reasonings backed up on preferences, not facts, because the only thing that separates Void Elves from Blood Elves is the Void, they are the same people, they have the same lore from there, they have the same culture, but they are exiles and now are in the alliance, it got applied the same criteria as HE to get implemented? no, they simply pushed forward the VE concept and did not tried to make something new with alliance HE, but there's nothing factual to back that decision, at least we talk about the fact that they taked advantage of the Argus storyline with the void and light couple returning so they created this race thinking they would supply the HE demand in an elegant way, and that doesn't turned that well for those who didn't liked those characters...

Preferences or facts doesn’t really matter. What the devs prefer is law. You can play another game if you don’t like it. This dev team has ignored feedback for over a decade.

[Sorrior]

Ion clearly stated that it would hurt faction identity. That in fact is a clear No, whether you want to accept it or not.



But that's exactly what the HE fanboys are. Blizzard says No and you debate over if their explanation suits your point of view.

Yeeah no more like the woman who says no by saying maybe or VERY mixed signals or uses body language alone or some phrsse that to HER and maybe her friends is a clear no but nobody else does.

A CLEAR CONCISE no does wonders a blurry one is confusing. If this was a straightup no ot us a blurry one. Oh and would be like ger then going "oh but my friend over their is waiting for a guy"

It's a REALLY bad analogy. And you'd be amazed how rarely a straight up no happens irl.

[Deleted]

Hell even nightborne are one big fat retcon, they didnt exist and shouldnt exist, because in wc3 we were told that suramar was sunken for thousands of years and it was recently raised by guldan, or maiev was oblivious of the big ass purple shield, that highborne supposedly raised to protect their city from sinking.

.. would it be a big stretch to slightly redo the appearance of high elves due to different eating habits?

[Gentlepenguin]

Preferences or facts doesn’t really matter. What the devs prefer is law. You can play another game if you don’t like it. This dev team has ignored feedback for over a decade.

You can actually say Blizzard listened to feedback, they listened to people that were against high elves on the Alliance and supported their opinion, twice even. Definitive support.

[Syegfryed]

I can use you logic too. Now High Elves use Blood Elves model because HELF model currently don't exist.

no, currently model of HELF exist, they are the blood elf model as well, because you know, blood elves are high elves, stated many times by devs and lore that theya re the same race, so it would make no sense to have a different model with the reasons i said

thats why your logic fails to the ground

[Sorrior]

Damn. I miss typed FF14.

As for JRPG I always prefered Phantasy Star since Sega Genesis was thing. My fave was 4th one.

Ot but sadly i didn't do rpgs till my ps1 days..my sister picked most pf our genesis games so damn my eyes.

Oh and to clarify a bit about my reply before. A clear no does wonders ion didn't do that. He akso basically taunted and mocked people.

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I can use you logic too. Now High Elves use Blood Elves model because HELF model currently don't exist.



Also explain what mutation makes Kul Tiran fat and half giants. Same question why Zandalari have staight back and Dark Spear trolls don't?

Honestly i see the Kul Tirans as more power lifterish then fat. Whiich carryinf crates alot or shipping stuff would likely do.

[Syegfryed]

Hell even nightborne are one big fat retcon, they didnt exist and shouldnt exist, because in wc3 we were told that suramar was sunken for thousands of years and it was recently raised by guldan, or maiev was oblivious of the big ass purple shield, that highborne supposedly raised to protect their city from sinking.

high elves were also a big ass retcon from the frozen throne campaign

.. would it be a big stretch to slightly redo the appearance of high elves due to different eating habits?

it would not be, cause they have no sense to happen

unless you want fat elves, like the kul'tirans

Also explain what mutation makes Kul Tiran fat and half giants.

you already explained to yourself, half-giants

Same question why Zandalari have staight back and Dark Spear trolls don't?

because after years of evolution other trolls tribes lose the straight back, lose their glowing eyes, lose the scales in their body, lose eight, etc etc

[Sorrior]

Hell even nightborne are one big fat retcon, they didnt exist and shouldnt exist, because in wc3 we were told that suramar was sunken for thousands of years and it was recently raised by guldan, or maiev was oblivious of the big ass purple shield, that highborne supposedly raised to protect their city from sinking.

.. would it be a big stretch to slightly redo the appearance of high elves due to different eating habits?

And wait didn't War for the ancients even include a battle in suramar?

[Highwhale]

Hell even nightborne are one big fat retcon, they didnt exist and shouldnt exist, because in wc3 we were told that suramar was sunken for thousands of years and it was recently raised by guldan, or maiev was oblivious of the big ass purple shield, that highborne supposedly raised to protect their city from sinking.

.. would it be a big stretch to slightly redo the appearance of high elves due to different eating habits?

I think best shot for High Elves is Highvale elves. They settled in Hinterlands before fall of Silvermoon and abandoned using of magic long ago. They haven't big story since Vanilla and mostly were absent. Suddenly changing their model for Allied Race concept wouldn't look like retcon and more like "they used blood elves model out of lack real model". Aka NELF Sylvanas and High Elves.

[Sorrior]

high elves were also a big ass retcon from the frozen throne campaign



it would be, cause they have no sense to happen

unless you want fat elves, like the kul'tirans

Wellll many HAVE suggested a ne be model hybrid.

Oh and again less fat more power lifter

[Highwhale]

Ot but sadly i didn't do rpgs till my ps1 days..my sister picked most pf our genesis games so damn my eyes.

Oh and to clarify a bit about my reply before. A clear no does wonders ion didn't do that. He akso basically taunted and mocked people.

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Honestly i see the Kul Tirans as more power lifterish then fat. Whiich carryinf crates alot or shipping stuff would likely do.

I see but still carrying crates don't boost your height.