Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Varx]

You were just inventing things and even adding things about other races and sugesting High Elves as a neutral race like Pandaren.

It is headcannon, not pointing anything to backup, what you did is Blizzard's work.

HAHA omg wow. And wtf does your kind do??? "lets add tattoos, High elves have more athletic builds, being away from the sunwell has changed them drastically, different Hair styles".

That shit isn't headcannon? Fuck you and the rest of the "High Elfers" in this thread. Literally nothing pleases you guys. Wouldn't be surprised if you bitched about actual AR High Elves because their Tattoos weren't cool enough.

Freaking toxic cancer trash.

Infracted [MoanaLisa]

[protip]

If I wanted to play the group of elves that took on to Fel in an effort to survive their almost extinct race. Then Blood Elves are the group of elves to play for that story continuation.

If I wanted to play as the group of elves that decided against taking Fel and stuck to their Alliance comrades, then currently that's not possible to play. These are the elves of the Silver Covenant, the Highvale, the Allerian Stronghold, and any Dalarani and Stormwindian High Elves that are in service to the Alliance.

I have a hard time accepting that reason, because it's not really a fair representation of what the Blood Elves did. The vast majority of them simply stayed in Silvermoon; there was no decision to use the fel. That was done exclusively by the magisters who rebuilt the city. If the Blood Elves themselves didn't know that the magisters were using fel energy, it's hard to imagine that the elves outside of Silvermoon would have that knowledge.

The only distinction that leaves is their support for the Alliance, which I just don't think is a good enough reason. Especially considering that in most cases that distinction appears to be based on where they were when the Scourge attacked Quel'Thalas.

This actually contradicts their earlier statements in which they asked players to tell them what they'd like to see. Since having it planned out means we aren't likely going to see any of the feedback we gave since Blizzcon taken into consideration until either towards the end of this expansion or the next. They cited DI was from years of players clamoring for it, not "recently we noticed an influx of people asking for this race".

That explanation was given to say: We are going to add the races we want, but we might also (if we feel like it and see enough demand) consider what the community is asking for.

Of course, but that's not a contradiction. It's just that they were interested in knowing what the community would want for the long term. Anything else would just be silly; they have to have a plan.

[RangerDaz]

HAHA omg wow. And wtf does your kind do??? "lets add tattoos, High elves have more athletic builds, being away from the sunwell has changed them drastically, different Hair styles".

That shit isn't headcannon? Fuck you and the rest of the "High Elfers" in this thread. Literally nothing pleases you guys. Wouldn't be surprised if you bitched about actual AR High Elves because their Tattoos weren't cool enough.

Freaking toxic cancer trash.

This doesnt help much in the defense of your ideas

[Varx]

This doesnt help much in the defense of your ideas

There's not much else I can say to defend them that hasn't been said already in this thread.

HE's can't be an AR as they are the same PHYSICALLY as BE.

Neutrality already exists between thalasian elves so just give them the Panda treatment and everything else I mentioned in my post.

[RangerDaz]

There's not much else I can say to defend them that hasn't been said already in this thread.

HE's can't be an AR as they are the same PHYSICALLY as BE.

Neutrality already exists between thalasian elves so just give them the Panda treatment and everything else I mentioned in my post.

I have also repeated my point of view in this thread 100 times and that doesn't give me the right to call anti high elf people and their ideas of "freaking toxic cancer trash".

This is a forum, and just like any forum is made to debate diiferent ideas and points of view. It is normal to find people that dont agree with your ideas.

Insulting others you dont know is not a very nice thing to do.

We all should collectively make an effort to respect each other and make civil conversations, so we can make this forum much better and less toxic.

[Varx]

I have also repeated my point of view in this thread 100 times and that doesn't give me the right to call anti high elf people and their ideas of "freaking toxic cancer trash".

This is a forum, and just like any forum is made to debate diiferent ideas and points of view. It is normal to find people that dont agree with your ideas.

Insulting others you dont know is not a very nice thing to do.

We all should collectively make an effort to respect each other and make civil conversations, so we can make this forum much better and less toxic.

You're right my dude. My bad. The hypocrisy in his post just triggered me. Didn't even bother to discuss the ideas in my post.

[Byleth]

That's literally what you are doing, not me. He completely avoided really any 100% definitive language ... a fact you ignore or you twist into "Well he was just being nice." Do you think Ion is an idiot?

I don't think Ion is the idiot on this occasion...

Will it make you feel better if I acknowledge the point that the final language was open ended? Even if in the context of the entire argument was a solid, definitive, no for well justified reasons? Even Ion's body language was a strong no. He tensed up and was very defensive.

I stand by my point that it was a definitive no on High Elves, and that you were being let down gently. I do however see room being left for them to have another (better thought out) crack at offering a reasonable alternative in the future. But you've been told flat out that it won't be High Elves as they currently exist.

[Darththeo]

I don't think Ion is the idiot on this occasion...

Will it make you feel better if I acknowledge the point that the final language was open ended? Even if in the context of the entire argument was a solid, definitive, no for well justified reasons? Even Ion's body language was a strong no. He tensed up and was very defensive.

I stand by my point that it was a definitive no on High Elves, and that you were being let down gently. I do however see room being left for them to have another (better thought out) crack at offering a reasonable alternative in the future. But you've been told flat out that it won't be High Elves as they currently exist.

I don't think you can read body language. Ion's wasn't tensed and defensive ... he was tired.

Your "point" is still factually wrong.

[Byleth]

I don't think you can read body language. Ion's wasn't tensed and defensive ... he was tired.

Your "point" is still factually wrong.

*shrug*

It's what I believe based on the information at hand. Feel free to cling to your false hope.

[Darththeo]

*shrug*

It's what I believe based on the information at hand. Feel free to cling to your false hope.

No, that is what you believe based on your interpretation of the information ... you shown lack of actual understanding of it.

Also, if you are true, it's Ion himself giving Helfers false hope.

[Sorrior]

I have a question. If High Elves get the Human skeleton instead of the BE one would you guys play them? Asking out of curiositiy.

Think several people myself included have actually suggested this to reflect the 20 years away from silvermoon and likely becoming more physical in their daily lives

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That's a reasonable explanation. I fully support the addition of HEs to the game if they have enough different features to distinguish them from BEs.

Which is what this thread was originally for to discuss ways to differentiate them and just have fun with it. While hoping MAYBE blizz would see it buut knowing unlikely

[Elestia]

Just gonna TL;DR this thread right now:

High Elves are FOR THE ALLIANCE. The Silver Covenant and Farstriders have a legitimate claim to Quel'thelas and deserve recognition in the game and as members of the Alliance PERIOD.

There isn't anything else to discuss. If you want to play a cannibal, Sylvanas apologist, mana addled fiend elf, then the horde is there. Otherwise, the true steward high elves should be playable (and should always have been playable), with the Alliance.

Blizzard trying to whitewash the stain of the Bloodelves by supressing High Elf representation in game is wrong.

[Byleth]

Also, if you are true, it's Ion himself giving Helfers false hope.

I think he did. I don't believe he meant to.

But that's my interpretation. You're welcome to yours.

[Bigguy28]

Just gonna TL;DR this thread right now:

High Elves are FOR THE ALLIANCE. The Silver Covenant and Farstriders have a legitimate claim to Quel'thelas and deserve recognition in the game and as members of the Alliance PERIOD.

There isn't anything else to discuss. If you want to play a cannibal, Sylvanas apologist, mana addled fiend elf, then the horde is there. Otherwise, the true steward high elves should be playable (and should always have been playable), with the Alliance.

Blizzard trying to whitewash the stain of the Bloodelves by supressing High Elf representation in game is wrong.

What I've come to expect from the typical High Elf fan.

High Elves, the ones who still call themselves that, are for the Alliance. The Silver Covenant has no claim to Quel'Thalas, they lost that when they turned their backs on their people. The Farstriders do though, as they remained loyal to their people.

The Blood Elves are not cannibals, Sylvanas apologists or mana addled fiends. The true stewards of the High Elven people are playable and have been for years, the Blood Elves, the ones that have being carrying the High Elven people into the future and will continue to do so.

The ones that turned their backs on their people, the ones that still call themselves High Elves, have no future. They will eventually die out, their legacy being their Half-Elven descendants and their pride causing their extinction. And eventually, even their blood will be so diluted that it won't matter any longer.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Just gonna TL;DR this thread right now:

High Elves are FOR THE ALLIANCE. The Silver Covenant and Farstriders have a legitimate claim to Quel'thelas and deserve recognition in the game and as members of the Alliance PERIOD.

They do not have a claim, that's not how claims work.

They already are recognized, that doesn't mean playable.

There isn't anything else to discuss. If you want to play a cannibal, Sylvanas apologist, mana addled fiend elf, then the horde is there. Otherwise, the true steward high elves should be playable (and should always have been playable), with the Alliance.

incorrect once again, Blood elves are high elves. The only thing that separates them is faction, and that doesn't justify them being playable for you.

Blizzard trying to whitewash the stain of the Bloodelves by supressing High Elf representation in game is wrong.

They don't represent high elves as much because there are almost no high elves left, blood elves are closer to pre Arthas high elves than the ones who still call themselves high elves.

Just gonna TL;DR this thread right now:

you managed to make every single one of your sentences wrong, and you didn't even summarize the thread outside of the usual typical dissociation between what is fact and what you want to be fact.

[Darththeo]

I think he did. I don't believe he meant to.

But that's my interpretation. You're welcome to yours.

Your interpretation is factually wrong while mine is not. Note: I am not saying Helf incoming, I am saying they just said not now rather than not ever.

You Anti-Helfers are just as bad as the Pro-Helfers in terms of listening to the Devs and worse when it comes to behavior.

[Aldo Hawk]

There's not much else I can say to defend them that hasn't been said already in this thread.

HE's can't be an AR as they are the same PHYSICALLY as BE.

Neutrality already exists between thalasian elves so just give them the Panda treatment and everything else I mentioned in my post.

High elves do not have any type of neutrality outside the island of Quel'danas, where they are neutral for convenience, is not anything near to the Pandaren situation.

[Thalassian Bob]

What I've come to expect from the typical High Elf fan.

High Elves, the ones who still call themselves that, are for the Alliance. The Silver Covenant has no claim to Quel'Thalas, they lost that when they turned their backs on their people. The Farstriders do though, as they remained loyal to their people.

The Blood Elves are not cannibals, Sylvanas apologists or mana addled fiends. The true stewards of the High Elven people are playable and have been for years, the Blood Elves, the ones that have being carrying the High Elven people into the future and will continue to do so.

The ones that turned their backs on their people, the ones that still call themselves High Elves, have no future. They will eventually die out, their legacy being their Half-Elven descendants and their pride causing their extinction. And eventually, even their blood will be so diluted that it won't matter any longer.

Hear, hear! Selama ashal'anore!

High elves do not have any type of neutrality outside the island of Quel'danas, where they are neutral for convenience, is not anything near to the Pandaren situation.

Actually, lots of high elves are neutral. Pretty much any high elf you see in Dalaran who isn't a member of the Silver Covenant is neutral in the faction conflict. Then, you have the likes of Gilveradin Sunchaser who does business with orcs in Orgrimmar and Captain Thalo'thas Brightsun, who seems to actually prefer the Horde to the Alliance.

A blood elf is typically a Thalassian patriot who returned to Quel'Thalas after the news of the Scourge attack came (like Kael'thas) or was simply in Quel'Thalas at the time of the invasion and decided to stay afterwards, the Silver Covenant and other Alliance-aligned high elves are Thalassians who, for whatever reason, feel more of a connection or loyalty to the Alliance over their homeland and all the other neutral ones just either didn't care enough about Quel'Thalas to go back and help after the Third War or perhaps had a reason for leaving and staying away (such as Captain Brightsun and his piracy).

[protip]

Your interpretation is factually wrong while mine is not. Note: I am not saying Helf incoming, I am saying they just said not now rather than not ever.

You Anti-Helfers are just as bad as the Pro-Helfers in terms of listening to the Devs and worse when it comes to behavior.

His interpretation isn't factually wrong, it's an opinion about the speaker's intentions, and a well-founded one too. You seem to be claiming that the only valid meaning we can draw from his response was a literal interpretation of his words, regardless of context. That's just not how human communication works.

[Byleth]

Your interpretation is factually wrong while mine is not. Note: I am not saying Helf incoming, I am saying they just said not now rather than not ever.

You Anti-Helfers are just as bad as the Pro-Helfers in terms of listening to the Devs and worse when it comes to behavior.

Oh I get it, your continuing with your circular repetitive arguments because you're a "have to have the last word kind of guy".

Go ahead then, you know my stance. It's not changing.