Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Arrashi]

Welcome back. I see you've recovered from your meltdown following Ion's interview.
Arrashi has not killed himself as you last suggested, for which we are thankful.
After all, it would be terrible to so invested in a topic that you wished death on others because you didn't get your way.

High elven fans sure are very violent and volatile people.

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Man, i stay away for 50 pages and when i come back the posts are the same as always

I guess this will reach the 1000 posts until the high elves are playable

Ps: i didnt say announced, because that will only require the 500th post

That was the case since 13 years now not 50 pages. Since you know, for all the yammering, high elves aren't any closer to ever be playable.

[Obelisk Kai]

I want them all!

*Gets a pokemon vibe*

I was happy with two groups of elves, one per faction.

Four is overkill, but it has happened and we can adjust to it.

Please, no more Elves. No San'layn. No Undead Elves. No High Elves. No Felbood Elves.No Wood Elves. No Dark Elves. No Storm Elves. No Elves without borders. No Arcane Elves. No Time Elves. No I can't believe it's not an elf.

Why can't we have long nearly three hundred page topics on playable Jinyu?

[serendipity11]

I want them all!

*Gets a pokemon vibe*

Actually i have a feeling dark rangers will be a hero class in the next xpac, as they are giving Sanlayn now.

As hero classes are confirmed not to get love in this xpac, i guess they will in the next one.

I even bet 2 hero classes will come out: dark ranger and tinkerer.

Wait really?

[arcaine]

elves are great - btw how many pointless replies do i need to make to unlock image to post application?

[serendipity11]

Because obviously NOT everyone want's to play a Night elf with a badly textured fish head that only has one gender...

I mean seriously if you don't want Elves why hang around in a elf thread you're just making your persistence seem annoying.

Jinyu have one gender just like ogres do. Which is to say they don't. But the gameplay mechanic (Read: Dev Laziness) means we only see one gender in game. Jinyu have neat lore and are a cool race. Idk if I'd play one though. I'd rather a naga with regular legs while on water. Like a rebellion or dissident group against Queen Azshara and the old gods.

[RangerDaz]

High elven fans sure are very violent and volatile people.

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That was the case since 13 years now not 50 pages. Since you know, for all the yammering, high elves aren't any closer to ever be playable.

Well i am very nice, i dont feel volatile nor violent!

But Arrashi, 13 years ago there was no allied race system where random wow races totally unknown to players before their announcement become playable *glares at void elves*

And i dont complain... i like them as well

[Obelisk Kai]

Because obviously NOT everyone want's to play a Night elf with a badly textured fish head that only has one gender...

I mean seriously if you don't want Elves why hang around in a elf thread you're just making your persistence seem annoying.

I thought you had me on ignore?

Is this one of those occasions you've taken me off ignore again so you can make a show of accusing me of being a troll for daring to express a contrary opinion and then you get to make a great show of playing the victim and announcing you are putting me on ignore again?

Or has doing that to @Enkrypt filled your quota for the day on that count?

[RangerDaz]

I was happy with two groups of elves, one per faction.

Four is overkill, but it has happened and we can adjust to it.

Please, no more Elves. No San'layn. No Undead Elves. No High Elves. No Felbood Elves.No Wood Elves. No Dark Elves. No Storm Elves. No Elves without borders. No Arcane Elves. No Time Elves. No I can't believe it's not an elf.

Why can't we have long nearly three hundred page topics on playable Jinyu?

Yes you do... you know you do. That high majetic blue eyed elf... flipping his or her hair in a mirror in storwind, their home sweet home, and riding their queldorei unicorn.

You know you want to be (and play) that majestic elf!

[Obelisk Kai]

Well i am very nice, i dont feel volatile nor violent!

There are outliers on both sides Daz but surely you have to agree this Vasaru person is somewhat extreme.

But Arrashi, 13 years ago there was no allied race system where random wow races totally unknown to players before their announcement become playable *glares at void elves*

And i dont complain... i like them as well

Yet focusing on the allied race system as a mechanism to deliver High Elves ignores that High Elves were already considered and rejected...and that Void Elves now exist. And that the lead developers have twice ruled out High Elves in interviews.

We are in a situation where High Elves have been ruled out and a compromise option has been put forward. I feel Void Elves are a bigger barrier to playable High Elves than the faction wall, and the faction wall is the reason Blizzard cited as to why High Elves aren't happening.

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Yes you do... you know you do. That high majetic blue eyed elf... flipping his or her hair in a mirror in storwind, their home sweet home, and riding their queldorei unicorn.

You know you want to be (and play) that majestic elf!

I haven't really seen any unicorns around quel'thalas. But blue eyes would be nice, hoping for that as an option on my Blood Elf one day.

[RangerDaz]

Wait really?

I think so... not sure though

[Darththeo]

Good to see you're still here not caring. Your perceived position of hope is the one thing that can demonstrably be qualified as "wrong" in this tiresome subject. I'd get off that high horse by now, if you care to save face. Oh, wait... whoops. LOL, "I don't think you can read body language." I legit LOL'd. You can't even read Ion's written language. Bold move, Theodore.

Given I am far more likely to understand body language that you are, I doubt it. Honestly, you haven't read his written language and yet project that onto me. I have admitted he said no, but it is a no for now, not A NO AND THAT'S NEVER GOING TO CHANGE! ... seriously, you are laughing because you don't understand, not because I am wrong.

[RangerDaz]

There are outliers on both sides Daz but surely you have to agree this Vasaru person is somewhat extreme.



Yet focusing on the allied race system as a mechanism to deliver High Elves ignores that High Elves were already considered and rejected...and that Void Elves now exist. And that the lead developers have twice ruled out High Elves in interviews.

We are in a situation where High Elves have been ruled out and a compromise option has been put forward. I feel Void Elves are a bigger barrier to playable High Elves than the faction wall, and the faction wall is the reason Blizzard cited as to why High Elves aren't happening.

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I haven't really seen any unicorns around quel'thalas. But blue eyes would be nice, hoping for that as an option on my Blood Elf one day.

Oh i have seen many unicorns in stormwind. Their owners are missing. Many rumors say they are waiting for their lost blue eyed owners. They will just have to wait 1 or 2 years.. or so

Because ion just ruled them out for BfA

[Darththeo]

It is just a platitude. You are the one incapable of understanding a condescending pat on the head is just a condescending pat on the head. If you view the entire answer he made as one piece, and do not cherry pick the end for false hope.

Because a summary of his answer would be "This is why adding High Elves would be a terrible, terrible idea that would be immensely detrimental to the game and story we want to tell and we invented Void Elves as something distinct, but who knows, despite all those negatives, maybe someday".

This is self-evident. The rationale for rejecting playable High Elves is not going to change just because the expansion ends. Or the expansion after that. Or the expansion after that.

And the rest of reality shows that they are willing to break something they said in the past if the story dictates they do. Context only supports a "No for now" whether you live in reality or not is your right. Ion isn't stupid enough to give a no forever and it doesn't make sense to give such an answer.

The idea that the Pro-Helfers are hinging on a platitude is nonsensical at best and an out right lie at worse.

It is a compromise. Just one you reject.

Yet, you literally proved it wasn't. And again, this has nothing to do with what I am trying to argue here. You claimed that if you "understand their reasons" you'll "accept the compromise" ... that just doesn't follow. Now you are going "but it would still be a compromise!" that's completely irrelevant to what I stated because whether or not it is in reality a compromise or not is not relevant to what I stated.

Rewording what I am saying to prove I am wrong is childish.

Stating why your argument is wrong is called debating. That you consider holding a contrary opinion worse than conspiring to silence the opposition through abuse of the reporting systems demonstrates that your priorities are out of order.

No, I consider people going into topics where people are talking about what they want just to tell them they are wrong, act morally or intellectually superior, etc.

What's worse is what you have done in this very topic. You haven't just stated your opponents are wrong, but have asserted to them what their stance is. You have asserted what they believe. Your responses ALONE to me prove that. That's why you are worse and wanting to be rid of a group that doesn't understand your view and just wants to argue is merely annoying when it comes to the internet.

[Obelisk Kai]

Oh i have seen many unicorns in stormwind. Their owners are missing. Many rumors say they are waiting for their lost blue eyed owners. They will just have to wait 1 or 2 years.. or so

Because ion just ruled them out for BfA

No he didn't do that, he said the reasons High Elves aren't happening is because they unacceptably blur the faction lines and that the fantasy of a 'high elf' is available on the Horde.

What he left open for the future was not the question of High Elves, but whether Blizzard would ever reconsider the importance of the faction boundaries that are the rationale against playable High Elves.

I cannot ever see it happening.

Blue eyed Blood Elves I can see happening, but not High Elves on the Alliance. Not when Blizzard clearly prizes the faction divide as much as it does, and not when Void Elves now exist as a High Elf variant on the Alliance with a unique flavour.

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And the rest of reality shows that they are willing to break something they said in the past if the story dictates they do. Context only supports a "No for now" whether you live in reality or not is your right. Ion isn't stupid enough to give a no forever and it doesn't make sense to give such an answer.

Of course he isn't stupid enough to give a no forever, that is exactly what we've been telling you the past three weeks. No developer would, that's why his platitude is a platitude and not a promise. From the meat of his reply it is apparent they have no intention or inclination of adding playable High Elves because they feel they have already done so.

No, I consider people going into topics where people are talking about what they want just to tell them they are wrong, act morally or intellectually superior, etc.

Every High Elf topic has been that for years. If you believed it was going to be otherwise then that is your mistake. As I have pointed out before, if you want a safe space the High Elf discord is there for you.

[Darththeo]

Of course he isn't stupid enough to give a no forever, that is exactly what we've been telling you the past three weeks. No developer would, that's why his platitude is a platitude and not a promise. From the meat of his reply it is apparent they have no intention or inclination of adding playable High Elves because they feel they have already done so.

See past posts to you concerning asserting a stance on your opponent. I never claimed it was a promise, but rather then left the door open and didn't close it. If you aren't going to pay attention and just assume my stance for me, please just talk to yourself.

Every High Elf topic has been that for years. If you believed it was going to be otherwise then that is your mistake. As I have pointed out before, if you want a safe space the High Elf discord is there for you.

Topics about potential High elves, yes ... where people who want them discuss it and you feel the need to come in a state why someone's feelings are wrong ... yeah, it's the Pro-Helfers who are worse, totally. /rollseyes

[Sigxy]

Horde already had one mana addicted race of elves and got another.

Nice try!

Almost right, except... well... one of them cured their addiction and no longer need it. Sooo...

Nice try, buddy. Stick to night elves - or live with that the Horde is there for you. <3

[Obelisk Kai]

See past posts to you concerning asserting a stance on your opponent. I never claimed it was a promise, but rather then left the door open and didn't close it. If you aren't going to pay attention and just assume my stance for me, please just talk to yourself.

You've been focusing on the possibility and ignoring the meat of his reply. Pretending he didn't give a comprehensive rebuttal of this goal and instead focusing on the fact he said anything is possible. Anything is possible, that's a statement of fact.

But for the foreseeable future, and I am talking three or four expansion packs, this isn't happening.

Topics about potential High elves, yes ... where people who want them discuss it and you feel the need to come in a state why someone's feelings are wrong ... yeah, it's the Pro-Helfers who are worse, totally. /rollseyes

Given that some of them seem to expect to be safe spaced on a controversial topic on a publc forum I would agree.

[Darththeo]

You've been focusing on the possibility and ignoring the meat of his reply. Pretending he didn't give a comprehensive rebuttal of this goal and instead focusing on the fact he said anything is possible. Anything is possible, that's a statement of fact.

But for the foreseeable future, and I am talking three or four expansion packs, this isn't happening.

Your assertions aren't the "meat" ... he didn't say what you think he said. It's "No for now with no plans" ... not "No forever." I haven't argued anything else. Again, if you are just going to assume my stance, please just argue with yourself.

Given that some of them seem to expect to be safe spaced on a controversial topic on a publc forum I would agree.

I see my sarcasm is wasted on you.

[RangerDaz]

No he didn't do that, he said the reasons High Elves aren't happening is because they unacceptably blur the faction lines and that the fantasy of a 'high elf' is available on the Horde.

What he left open for the future was not the question of High Elves, but whether Blizzard would ever reconsider the importance of the faction boundaries that are the rationale against playable High Elves.

I cannot ever see it happening.

Blue eyed Blood Elves I can see happening, but not High Elves on the Alliance. Not when Blizzard clearly prizes the faction divide as much as it does, and not when Void Elves now exist as a High Elf variant on the Alliance with a unique flavour.

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Of course he isn't stupid enough to give a no forever, that is exactly what we've been telling you the past three weeks. No developer would, that's why his platitude is a platitude and not a promise. From the meat of his reply it is apparent they have no intention or inclination of adding playable High Elves because they feel they have already done so.





Every High Elf topic has been that for years. If you believed it was going to be otherwise then that is your mistake. As I have pointed out before, if you want a safe space the High Elf discord is there for you.

He left everything open for the future

Even unacceptable majestic blue eyed alliance heroes ready to take back their stolen city from the other majestic horde filthy thieves

[Obelisk Kai]

Your assertions aren't the "meat" ... he didn't say what you think he said. It's "No for now with no plans" ... not "No forever." I haven't argued anything else. Again, if you are just going to assume my stance, please just argue with yourself.

You place undue emphasis on the later and nowhere near enough on the former. He offered merely a soft let-down, a platitude with the intent that if in the far future they DO decide to do this, some poster won't turn around after the fact on another topic and say 'but you said never on playable High Elves so when you said never on this you clearly cannot mean it'.

He gave an extremely clear no, and backed it up with an almost immutable rationale, that the faction wall cannot be blurred. The real debate isn't about playable High Elves, although that is where your focus is, it is whether you can get Blizzard to decide the differences between the factions aren't worth it.

Good luck with that.

YI see my sarcasm is wasted on you.

Your current argument is that because he said anything in the future is possible you get to ignore the thrust of his argument, that High Elves are already playable, that Void Elves are a High Elf variant on the Alliance and that High Elves aren't on the radar at all. I long ago gave up trying to determine if you were being sarcastic or serious.

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He left everything open for the future

Even unacceptable majestic blue eyed alliance heroes ready to take back their stolen city from the other majestic horde filthy thieves

But the Humans failed to take Lordaeron.