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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    She wants the Blood Elves to be reunified with the Alliance. She believes they'll come to their senses.

    Simple clarification.
    Subsequently meaning she wants the blood elves to reunify with the high elves. So, she can't hate them that much if she wants a reunification.

    If you read our conversation a little further you'd understand the context of the statement. Simple reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    Subsequently meaning she wants the blood elves to reunify with the high elves. So, she can't hate them that much if she wants a reunification.

    If you read our conversation a little further you'd understand the context of the statement. Simple reading.
    'Simple reading' but you imply in that 'simple reading' that High elves would also want to reunify with the Blood elves as if it also meant joining the Horde.

    Being on a contrary position doesn't have to go hand in hand with lack of judgement and honesty.

    High elves want to bring Quel'thalas to the Alliance. And, also to clarify, because I have seen lots and lots of misinformation and dishonesty regarding this: High elves helped the Blood elves to defend from the Amani, for a very simple, logical, and easy to understand reason, if Quel'thalas falls, there's no Quel'thalas to bring to the Alliance. That's logic 101.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    Just come up with new lore for Void Elves being able to be Paladins.

    Introduce Wrathion's model for Humans (rightfully so a step in the right direction Blizzard).

    Or allow lore to progress that Void Elves and High Elves intermingle and within that one slot one can be a High Elf Paladin through the extra customization and lore given to Void Elves.

    Same as is being done with Wildhammer Dwarves. Bronzebeard got the class first (Shaman). Then came the looks (Wildhammer). Doesn't take up a slot so no having to say 'It WaStEs A pOtEnTiAl Nu RaEcE lIk MeChAgNoMeS!!11!1ElEvEn!'

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    All methods that I would approve of.
    Wrathion's model is a modified thalassian elf model I believe. As with Nozdormu's 'elf form', which has human range skin tones but a night elf base, this can likely be chalked up as another example of a lot more leeway being granted in devising models for unique and important lore characters rather than an potential extra customisation option for humans. As Nozdormu and several other lore characters have proven, just because they have done something for a major lore character does not guarantee it is going to happen in future (in fact, far from it).

    As for Void Elf Paladins, Void Elves are defined by their connection to the void, Paladins by their devotion to the light. Alleria, the first Void Elf, cannot touch a light devotee such as Turalyon (and that was before Turalyon became lightforged) and so a Void Elf Paladin is a contradiction. But of course, that's just laying out the groundwork as to why a Void Elf Paladin isn't going to happen, the corollary is your suggestion that selecting Paladin under Void Elf actually makes you a High Elf.

    Which is why it is almost certainly never going to happen. A Void Elf is a transformed thalassian elf, the entire rationale behind their transformation was to create thematic and aesthetic distance between them and the Blood Elves. As the Blood Elves have become increasingly focused on the light, basing the counterpart faction around light's opposition, void, makes perfect sense. Allowing Void Elves to have the option to be a Paladin ruins that thematic division, and attempting to argue that the Void Elf Paladin would actually be a High Elf (and represented as such) crosses previously expressed red lines regarding sharing an identical aesthetic (not to mention theme) that is currently unique to the Horde with the Alliance.

    A Void Elf Paladin is probably the single least likely race-class combination suggestion that isn't in the game that will be considered. You could even make a better case for an Undead Paladin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibito View Post
    You high elf fans would make great warhammer dwarves with the way you hold onto grudges for eternity.
    Not really. Horde fanboys would be better, since they're still pissed off about Camp Taurajo.

    Also Void Elf Paladin will be one of the first new combinations if they ever make class skins. Blizzard knows that the dark templar fantasy is popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    Pretty much this. Just another absurd hypothetical to make pale skin elves available to the alliance.

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    Alleria is addicted to human potential, she never was going to be Horde. Vareesa, some would say the head figure of the high elves, was willing to join the Horde during Garrosh's trial. The only thing that stopped her was her children, not the alliance, not dalaran.

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    Just like when Lor'Themar was ready to join the Alliance if Jaina has not intervened. Lor'Themar is still a Horde hero, and care for it. Your point ?

    And Vereesa didn't care for the Horde at this point. It was just a mean for her to be reunited with her sister and lay foot again in Quel'Thalas, nothing more. She always hated the Horde with passion, not her people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
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    No, you're just not taking this seriously. You're just making light of the suffering and despair one feels when their spouse they love so much dies in such a sudden manner.

    It's downright amazing how you can be so cold-hearted to write something along the lines of "the death of her husband doesn't matter that much, since she's surrounded by people" with a straight face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Snip
    "Just come up with new lore.."

    "Introduce Wrathion's model..."

    "...allow lore to progress..."

    I think you missed the point that the entire post was about going past the current status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    Simple reading.
    Simple reading would show just because she wants reunification with her people on her faction does not mean she doesn't hate the Horde, the Horde being the focus of Vereesa's hate in your original reply to Ardenaso.

    Simple reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    "Just come up with new lore.."

    "Introduce Wrathion's model..."

    "...allow lore to progress..."

    I think you missed the point that the entire post was about going past the current status quo.
    It's not about 'moving past' the current lore, it's about circumventing or retconning it to get to your goal headless of the ramifications of those ideas. It's a less extreme version of 'let's bring back dead high elves in Shadowlands for the allied race and hope nobody asks why nobody else who is dead came back either'.

    As it stands a Void Elf Paladin is not only a contradiction in terms, but allowing a Void Elf Paladin to become a part of the Void Elf package (even one you would try and argue is actually a high elf exile although how you would extend that to the clearly void elf racials is beyond me) undermines the thematic dichotomy between Blood Elves and Void Elves on the light-void divide.

    If you believe the Alliance needs to have an elven paladin, then the obvious place to start is with Night Elf Paladins which have precedent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post

    As it stands a Void Elf Paladin is not only a contradiction in terms, but allowing a Void Elf Paladin to become a part of the Void Elf package (even one you would try and argue is actually a high elf exile although how you would extend that to the clearly void elf racials is beyond me) undermines the thematic dichotomy between Blood Elves and Void Elves on the light-void divide.

    If you believe the Alliance needs to have an elven paladin, then the obvious place to start is with Night Elf Paladins which have precedent.

    Alleria is "a hunter", nothing to do with the void and yet she has become a Void elf, she is able to master magic because she is a Thalassian elf.

    Void elves should have access to the same classes as blood elves as they are still Thalassian elves.

    The paladin class should be available to the void elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchvince View Post
    Alleria is "a hunter", nothing to do with the void and yet she has become a Void elf, she is able to master magic because she is a Thalassian elf.

    Void elves should have access to the same classes as blood elves as they are still Thalassian elves.

    The paladin class should be available to the void elves.
    The problem is that Light and Void are direct opposites of each other, and they "don't mix". I imagine a void elf channeling the Light would suffer way more than a forsaken would.

    The priest class "circumvents" this by having all void-elf priests be shadow priests, in the lore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    If you believe the Alliance needs to have an elven paladin, then the obvious place to start is with Night Elf Paladins which have precedent.
    It doesn't even have to be about "needs", it's simply a very popular typical fantasy class/race combo that should just exist on the Alliance side.

    Whether it occurs through Night Elves or Void Elves or High Elves or Half-Elves even. I just believe it should be an option in the game for the Alliance side. The side that tends to get bemoans of "omg Alliance is so generic fantasy". Which is why most people enjoy Alliance, because it is generic fantasy. So let there be more generic fantasy choices within it, like an Elven Paladin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    The problem is that Light and Void are direct opposites of each other, and they "don't mix". I imagine a void elf channeling the Light would suffer way more than a forsaken would.

    The priest class "circumvents" this by having all void-elf priests be shadow priests, in the lore.
    But it does exist, blizzard did !

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Twilight_Vindicator

    The void elves should be able to be paladins because they master the powers of the void by becoming... void elves, they cannot be corrupted like the paladins of the twilight hammer.

    Blizzard must add this possibility for new combinations of races / classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchvince View Post
    But it does exist, blizzard did !

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Twilight_Vindicator
    But they're not void elves. They're not infused with the Void and the Light. They're just fallen paladins using their Light abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchvince View Post
    Alleria is "a hunter", nothing to do with the void and yet she has become a Void elf, she is able to master magic because she is a Thalassian elf.

    Void elves should have access to the same classes as blood elves as they are still Thalassian elves.

    The paladin class should be available to the void elves.
    Alleria's "mastery" of the Void doesn't really have anything to do with her being Thalassian, it has to do with her willpower and ability to stave off the insanity-inducing quality of the Void and hold on to her true self. This is a personal trait, not really a racial one - Elves don't have any kind of racial resistance to the Void beyond their own will to remain themselves.

    The Paladin class is probably off the table because while Priests can and do indulge in the Void (e.g. Shadow Priests) there are no Void or Shadow Paladins, and the Light doesn't co-exist so well with the Void.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Alleria's "mastery" of the Void doesn't really have anything to do with her being Thalassian, it has to do with her willpower and ability to stave off the insanity-inducing quality of the Void and hold on to her true self. This is a personal trait, not really a racial one - Elves don't have any kind of racial resistance to the Void beyond their own will to remain themselves.

    The Paladin class is probably off the table because while Priests can and do indulge in the Void (e.g. Shadow Priests) there are no Void or Shadow Paladins, and the Light doesn't co-exist so well with the Void.

    It is just a question of gameplay above all, all the races could be "of the void" but blizzard chose to make that possible only with the thalassian elves.

    I find it logical because in more than ten years, it is one of the only races which has evolved physically in different ways depending on the magic used.

    After this is only my interpretation.

    Otherwise regarding paladins, it's just a request that could be validated in the future by blizzard, especially if the void elves get the high-elf customization option.


    And then you saw the classes available for the vulpera, a nomadic people, in survival mode in the Vol'dun desert?:confus:

    I think logic has been dead for a while anyway.

  16. #14456
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Not really. Horde fanboys would be better, since they're still pissed off about Camp Taurajo.
    Where's the proof of this claim? Seriously, because all the proof of HE Zealots continuing to argue over when they'll be told no again within this thread and on the official forums takes the cake over that any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldielocks View Post
    Where's the proof of this claim? Seriously, because all the proof of HE Zealots continuing to argue over when they'll be told no again within this thread and on the official forums takes the cake over that any day.
    Ah yes, because obviously you have empirical evidence that the majority of HE "zealots" are indeed on this thread and on the official forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Ah yes, because obviously you have empirical evidence that the majority of HE "zealots" are indeed on this thread and on the official forums.
    Provide any proof at all, just a little bit, instead of dodging the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldielocks View Post
    Provide any proof at all, just a little bit, instead of dodging the question.
    You did not provide any proof either though, since you dont know if these threads are a reliable pool. So why should I provide you any proof if you did not do it either?

    Besides, why are you focusing only on me, and not on the person who actually made the argument first that all HE fans "hold to grudges forever"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Not really. Horde fanboys would be better, since they're still pissed off about Camp Taurajo.

    And yet you don't see an almost 800 page "Official Camp Taurajo Rage" mega-thread of Horde players harping on the same talking points, recycling the same arguments and opinions, and attacking each other for 2 years to the date.


    Also, happy 2 year anniversary Official High Elf Discussion Megathread!
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