Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Ignaz]

I doubt they would just toss it in, and honestly I'd rather hear about actual Shadowlands game features, but I can't help but wonder if they'll make any mention of the High Elven customization options at the newly rescheduled reveal event.

It is possible, given the controversy of the matter.

[Lorca]

I'll say the same thing I said to Syegfryed: you're free to stop responding to me. You're responding because you want to.

If you keep saying lying and accusing me publicly about things I didn't do, I'll keep answering you publicly, as you seem to be willing to keep embarrassing yourself. I tried to handle this discussion friendly and politely since the very beginning, but you've been elitist, totalitarian and a terrible shameless liar. You caused me of saying things I didn't say, and I proved it by quoting my own words, and you still are not able to admit you've been wrong the whole time and that you lied about that. You can't even answer to that. You keep slandering in each of your posts. Thus you get the serious-toned answers. Still, not impolite, or full conceptual mistakes or full of lies as yours.

And I've shown how I am not wrong, you're just arguing semantics and drawing wrong implications out of what I wrote.

Wake up. You didn't show anything, you didn't prove anything. You are stuck in a blabbing circle of which you seem not to be able to go out. You are misusing words, concepts, the lore of the game and you can't refute my thesis. So, yeah, you are wrong.

That's a strange way of spelling "falsehoods".

Clearly, again, you don't know what a fact is, neither a falsehood. Again, you're not giving any argument, any prove, just nothing. Zero. Again. Still blablaing and circling around.

Not at all. Because the first few words of the sentence I omitted in nothing change the context of what I had wrote before.

"Not at all" means you yourself are admitting that it has different meanings.

You don't know what a pragmatical-linguistical context is, you don't know what semantics are, please, stop, stop. Don't try to keep arguing about the things you don't know. Stop bringing that up. I am not arguing semantics with you because you don't know about it. It would be like arguing with you about harassment, politeness or genetics. It wouldn't make any sense.

You started by complaining about me using the word "rebrand" instead of "rename", and criticized the way I spell "ad nauseum".

And again, lying. Go and check the first time I quoted you. I didn't start anything talking about your wrong use of the word rebrand and its concept. I started pointing your hypocritical criterion, by differentiating the Blood Elves and the High Elves but not the Huojin Pandaren and the Tushui Pandaren. Then I offered you a thesis, which you still haven't been able to refute, and therefore you keep circling around, slandering, repeating that I lied -when you've been proven that it wasn't true more than once- and repeating that I only argue about semantics, when you don't have a clue about what the semantics are. I corrected you in the use of a word of which you didn't know the meaning and in the misspelling of a latinisms if which you also didn't know the meaning. That's not the subject of semantics. Add semantics to you have-to-check-in-the-dictionary list.

Irrelevant. Both words convey the exact same meaning and message within the context of the discussion in this thread. You're arguing semantics, pure and simple.

Irrelevant to you because you don't have, as usual, a single valid argument against that. It is relevant as you are confusing concepts. If you use rebrand, then you are referring to the same race, but to different organization of the same race. So, okay, Blood Elves and High Elves are the same race, right, perfect. About the semantics stuff -wow, again- read above.

Question answered in the very same part of my post you quoted.

Circling around. Again. Saying that you answered a question but not doing it doesn't work as an answer. In other words: you didn't answer anything.

Sounds more like you're talking about yourself than me, here. You are wrong, plain and simple. You are not polite as you claim to be, and you accuse me of things I did not do.

Nope. Sorry. I am talking about you, and what you keep doing. You are not giving a single valid argument. You keep repeating trivial stuff, not answering to any question, not refuting my thesis and thinking that that strategy will work. It won't. By the way, what you are doing is a pretty good example of the ad nauseam fallacy.

I've been polite. And, if you remembered, I was polite since the very beginning with you. But you've been just annoying during the whole conversation, slandering again and again. So I got bored of you. Thus I am talking in a more serious tone. Also, read what I said at first about me being polite. I am always polite, but if you lie to me and lie about what I said, don't expect the same level of politeness. Just read the complete sentences.

Irrelevant. You brought the Mag'har as an example of things I "call the wrong way".

Again, lying. You've been literally proven and shown in my last post how that isn't true. I didn't do that what you are stating.

I've already shown it to you. More than once, actually.

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Like, what do you mean by linking those sentence to full posts with more than 10 sentences? Again, circling around, blabbing, not being able to give a single valid argument during the whole conversation.

[Yavi Dawnsong]

It is possible, given the controversy of the matter.

I suppose, I just hope if they do speak about it, it will just be a quick update thing. This is coming from someone who actually wants High Elves very much, it's just at the end of the day, game mechanics are what will actually keep me and others playing.

[FlubberPuddy]

I agree save the day with more fanart.

Soon, quite busy atm.

But huge thanks to Aucald for stepping in.

[Ielenia]

Circling around. Again. Saying that you answered a question but not doing it doesn't work as an answer. In other words: you didn't answer anything.

Just go back and read that sentence again:
"They call the pandaren"
"Who are "they"?"
"go to any NPC that addresses..."
Hence: question answered in the very same quote.

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Like, what do you mean by linking those sentence to full posts with more than 10 sentences? Again, circling around, blabbing, not being able to give a single valid argument during the whole conversation.

Once again, you're not acting in the a "polite person" would. But, anyways:

Then you apparently don't know what the word "polite" means, if you think it's "polite" to call others 'little children' and 'cowards'. I didn't insult you a single time, though.

Again, a polite person does not outright accuse someone of lying because of a possible misunderstanding. A polite person does not accuse others of being "little children". A polite person person does not accuse others of being "cowards". And yet you did all that.

And this is where I stop responding to this since this conversation has whole wholly off-topic.

[Edoll]

Are the servers up yet? Anything for the real High Elves yet? Non-tentacle hairs? New hair colors?

[Doffen]

Not fan art(sorry to disappoint), but this is my Blood Elf atm:

[Frenchvince]

Are the servers up yet? Anything for the real High Elves yet? Non-tentacle hairs? New hair colors?

For the moment we can only speculate with what is in the builds.
MrGM had discovered a new texture "braids" for the void elf hair.
Maybe there will be an option to display braids in place of the tentacles. <3

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1268276998947983363

For the new hair colors, there is still nothing to confirm.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

For the moment we can only speculate with what is in the builds.
MrGM had discovered a new texture "braids" for the void elf hair.
Maybe there will be an option to display braids in place of the tentacles. <3

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1268276998947983363

For the new hair colors, there is still nothing to confirm.

The braid texture exist already on the live game files (on male hair colors) AFAIK, it has done since VE's were introduced

[Frenchvince]

The braid texture exist already on the live game files (on male hair colors) AFAIK, it has done since VE's were introduced

Yet velf hairstyles have no braids, it's strange isn't it?
Why this texture then?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Yet velf hairstyles have no braids, it's strange isn't it?
Why this texture then?

Truly I don't know! I realized it was there in some of my model editing projects, but only on males! What is also very interesting is that VE and Kult tiran Hair textures are the same, just different colors: Indeed, a lot of races use the same hair/braid base in different hues, with stuff like ties/bindings changing.

[Frenchvince]

Truly I don't know! I realized it was there in some of my model editing projects, but only on males! What is also very interesting is that VE and Kult tiran Hair textures are the same, just different colors: Indeed, a lot of races use the same hair/braid base in different hues, with stuff like ties/bindings changing.

That's right, VE women don't have a braid texture in their hair file.

It's strange that Blizzard adds this braid texture to men , they have no braids in their hairstyles.
Case to follow.

[matrix123mko]

Not fan art(sorry to disappoint), but this is my Blood Elf atm:

Looks very blood elven. I love it.

[Varx]

Haven't been in this thread in a while.

Are helfers still in denial that light skinned velves are "high elves".

If they are then that just proves Obelisk and every other anti helfer right in that "high elves" have been playable since TBC and all these "I want mah alliance high elves not blood elves and their magic addiction blah blah blah" request pointless and whiny.

[Ardenaso]

Haven't been in this thread in a while.

Are helfers still in denial that light skinned velves are "high elves".

If they are then that just proves Obelisk and every other anti helfer right in that "high elves" have been playable since TBC and all these "I want mah alliance high elves not blood elves and their magic addiction blah blah blah" request pointless and whiny.

>if you want fair skinned elves then play Horde but if you insist Alliance then play Void Elf
>why are you satisfied with fair skinned Void Elves why aren't you mad please be mad please be mad PLEASE BE MAD

[Yavi Dawnsong]

Haven't been in this thread in a while.

Are helfers still in denial that light skinned velves are "high elves".

If they are then that just proves Obelisk and every other anti helfer right in that "high elves" have been playable since TBC and all these "I want mah alliance high elves not blood elves and their magic addiction blah blah blah" request pointless and whiny.

Lore-wise, the non void skinned Void Elves are still just void elves. Which are originally Blood Elves, mutated by void energies.
Of course the Blood Elves are still actually High Elves biologically, since their division is cultural.

Biological High Elves have indeed been playable since TBC. But that misses the point entirely, being that people want to play the High Elves that separate themselves from their former Blood Elven kin due to their cultural division.

Arguably, from a lore standpoint, void elves even with their new skin tones are not High Elves.
Due to the fact that they are more biologically different from High Elves than even the Blood Elves are.
And also due to the fact that we have yet to be shown Void Elves following, or embracing the same culture as modern High Elves.

So, no non void skinned Void Elves are not High Elves, by lore.
But that's the amazing part of playing a Role Playing Game.
It's completely up to you, how you choose to Role Play your character, and if other people take issue with that, why do you want to interact with them in the first place?

[DeicideUH]

>if you want fair skinned elves then play Horde but if you insist Alliance then play Void Elf
>why are you satisfied with fair skinned Void Elves why aren't you mad please be mad please be mad PLEASE BE MAD

That, in a nutshell.

[Beloren]

So, no non void skinned Void Elves are not High Elves, by lore.
But that's the amazing part of playing a Role Playing Game.
It's completely up to you, how you choose to Role Play your character, and if other people take issue with that, why do you want to interact with them in the first place?

This change means that Void elves are now both a faction and a race - and those aren't exactly the same thing. The faction has high elves, blood elves and racial void elves - they are all part of the "void elves" even though some are racially high/blood elves. And then the purple ones are racial void elves.


So you can be a high elf void elf - you're not technically void elf racially until you get altered, so if you're not altered, you're a blood elf or high elf that's joined the cause, you're still racially a high elf, not a void elf.

Void elves are like Nightborne - they're magically altered versions of the blood elves and the night elves - key idetnitifiers

Void elf - skin colour change, eye colour change
Nightborne - body weight change, ear tip change

Light skinned "void" elves are not racially void elves, their faction void elves but racially high elves.

What we have here is race void elf, faction void elf. A high elf and blood elf can join the void elf faction, but only the purple ones are racially void elves.

So a void elf faction aligned high elf or void elf will use void elf racials because they're training with the void .

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

That's right, VE women don't have a braid texture in their hair file.

It's strange that Blizzard adds this braid texture to men , they have no braids in their hairstyles.
Case to follow.

IMO seems like an oversight; like they didn't thought they were going to use any braid textures but still made them, but only updated the female ones to reflect the decision back when.

That, in a nutshell.

oh BTW, do the HE NPC's in alpha right now still have the pruple eyes, or are they gone to blue?

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Lore-wise, the non void skinned Void Elves are still just void elves. Which are originally Blood Elves, mutated by void energies.
Of course the Blood Elves are still actually High Elves biologically, since their division is cultural.

Biological High Elves have indeed been playable since TBC. But that misses the point entirely, being that people want to play the High Elves that separate themselves from their former Blood Elven kin due to their cultural division.

Arguably, from a lore standpoint, void elves even with their new skin tones are not High Elves.
Due to the fact that they are more biologically different from High Elves than even the Blood Elves are.
And also due to the fact that we have yet to be shown Void Elves following, or embracing the same culture as modern High Elves.

So, no non void skinned Void Elves are not High Elves, by lore.
But that's the amazing part of playing a Role Playing Game.
It's completely up to you, how you choose to Role Play your character, and if other people take issue with that, why do you want to interact with them in the first place?

But I think there is actually an universe issue that could use explanation; are we getting new VE's from somewhere? Cause if HE's (such as the Wayfarers) are becoming VE's, then they are High Elves in the relevant sense; the biggest issue with Void Elves isn't that they are named that or use Void; is that they are culturally and ideologically blood elves, so if new VE's can be of HE origin, then that actually resolves the background lore issue for a lot.

Arguably, from a lore standpoint, it's not the kind of power they use what defines HE's, and "Void Elf" means little in terms of category to the ideological difference that make High Elves their own entity within alliance lore. It really doesn't matter -for many- that they are now Void Elves, as long as it is recognized they come from an Alliance High Elf background and not exclusively a Blood Elven one.

[DeicideUH]

oh BTW, do the HE NPC's in alpha right now still have the pruple eyes, or are they gone to blue?

Females have purple eyes, males have blue.