Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FlubberPuddy]

You really should stop saying that he is being a smartass and being spiteful when thats what you have done for a couple of years now. Its so silly to read you being so defensive now after having your arguments fail time and time again.

You have been riding on this self confidence of blizzard "agreeing" with you for so long, even though your arguments has always been weak.

You still use that quote from metzen who himself meant that High Elves on the Horde made little sense. And a quote thats not even used in a context you want it to be. And you have it there solely to try to trigger people who have a different opinion than you. If thats not being spiteful, Geisl is a real life Angel. You now start to attack people and berates them for being spiteful when thats all what you have ever done in this thread.


You reap what you sow.

Hey thanks! And you're right, people reap what they sow. But some people accept it (O.K) and others don't (aka the ones still here being very defensive about the news).

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I can also very easily show more dishonesty in argumentation from Strippling. Here's the full question and quote I made in an earlier post:

"According to a dev interview Ion gave several months ago, Blood Elves were originally unintended to have blue eyes in Shadowlands, but later on that decision was reversed following team discussions. If the art department was involved, what was the reasoning that led to blue eyes being added for Void Elves and Blood Elves?

This is another place where there was a race, High Elves, in the game which hadn't really been represented on player characters. Blood Elves were the closest, but had felt green eyes. It was an opportunity where we had a number of elven races, and we could tie it back to their roots, letting players choose where they want to align and what fantasy to play out. We did have a lot of discussion about it, ultimately we might do more in the future, but for now we're providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available."

Note that the question asks about Void Elves and Blood Elves. And in the answer that followed, it continues to lump the two groups together.

"It was an opportunity where we had a number of elven races, and we could tie it back to their roots, letting players choose where they want to align and what fantasy to play out."

That sentence right there is continuing the question's premise, being about both Void Elves and Blood Elves.

Then the very last sentence is saying, they might add more High Elf customization to both later, but for now they're providing a few.

Strippling is being dishonest as he implies it's only directed toward Void Elves. That's not the case at all when you look at the entire context of the question and answer of what Ely Cannon said.

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Proof of where Strippling said it's a sentence for Void Elves only:

we're providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available.

This is from the recent interview with Art Director Ely Cannon. Void elves got the blood elf skin tones, but there has been no confirmation whether the blood elf hair colors will be given to them too. Time will tell, but from the interview it sounds like they're offering void elf players a "few high elf" customizations, not "all customizations". This would imply that they do still wish to maintain some level of distinction between races. Again, time will tell.. but for now you're jumping the gun if you think Blizzard have completely given up on the idea of faction distinction.

[Syegfryed]

That's where we disagree. High elves are not entitled for blood elven features,

it depends of what features you are talking about, do not forget that Blood elves are literally high elves, end, and void elves are elves change by the void

there are "high elf" thing that became exclusively a blood elf thing, in this case the farstrider faction.

Well, she maintained her ranger aesthetics and made it distinct from those blood elves adopted. To be honest, she is only wearing blue and silver colors, while blood elves tend to dress in red and gold... what's the deal?

and she isn't farstrider anymore, silver covenant

No, it was relevant to your claim that they have no reason to hold their old traditions.

there is no reason to "hold their old traditions" like this, when in fact, they didn't, they created their own organization with differences from the farstriders, similar sure, but not the same, so, their customization should not be the same either

Sure, but don't ignore the fact that Blizzard made it clear that void elves are also representing high elves now, so it's natural for them to have customization for this fantasy as well, not only the void one.

And again, farstrider isn't a high elf thing anymore, therefore, nonsense to be given to void elves

How you define Silver Covenant customization? Since this thread has many fan arts on this topic and antihelfers claimed most of them are blood elven.

more related to dalaran and mage/runic stuff

but it is not what most of posters are now displaying now. People are actually happy we get fair skins for void elves and yea, to have high elf fantasy complete, we need more natural hair colors and some new hairstyles... but those does not have to be blood elven. Like I said before, human and kul tiran hair styles make pretty good service to that fantasy as well, and it could be also an evidence of how elves are affected by human culture. Does it hurt blood elves? I don't think so.

you would be surprised of how people like you said are minority, a lot of people just put a facade so they can get things slowly, one step at each, first, colors, then world is open

Again, i don't care if void elf get exclusive stuff, the problem is they getting belf stuff, with the excuse of "its generic high elf stuff", i think it should be a limit

Well, why not? I would not mind blood elves having void elven hair styles at all.

some people don't agre with you, they think void elves should get the belf haircolor/styles, and belves should not get the velves ones, and this where lies the problem

Also, blizzard is probably not giving all the allied races related the options the other races have anyway, elves should not be exception

I said what is possible to expect. Blizzard showed us that they are now actually listening to player's feedback this time, and these ranger tattoos are pretty favorite request, which started with high elf community

and the point still lies down to how this request, like helf paladin, was always based around fanfiction and nonsense

There are people who thinks these tattoos should be high elven only, to differentiate them further from blood elves, which shows no such thing in their ranks at all, but I don't believe blood elves should be deprived of that. It is fantasy which belongs to both groups.

to think the farstrider option should not be an option to the actual farstrider shows the problem like i said before

yeah, tattoos isn't a fantasy of one group, but farstrider tattoos should be

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It isn't.

On the same page you brought up, there's an Alliance farstrider :

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Vyrin_Swiftwind

she isn't "an alliance farstrider", she was formerly a farstrider, in the same page you brought up...

Also, the Farstriders are confirmed to be also in the Alliance :

you want to tell me that a Seamstress, who only came to the unseen path to help is a farstrider

So the farstriders are also in the Alliance.

only if elves lived from generations....and she was talking about the past and not saying farstriders are also in the alliance cause this is a nonsense commentary

And for the record, the Alliance also has .... a farstrider lodge !

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Farstrider_Lodge

ah yes, a place "ruled" by a dwarf, full of dwarves, with only one elf npc, isn't like they could just didn't bother to change the name, nope, totally means the dwarves belongs to the farstriders.

[Traveler Voltin]

so i am assuming that we have reached.
"give an inch, demand a mile" levels now.

[Andromedes]

so i am assuming that we have reached.
"give an inch, demand a mile" levels now.

Just like undead players who got all flesh option? "Now that we have no bones showing, can we have option to play as a full skeleton? Oh and also we want straight backs please, we are not savages who huch over. Oh and can we have Nathanos like forsaken? And can we have beards?"

Or spiteful blood elf players who got golden eyes. "Now that we have golden eyes, can we also have blue eyes to complete our high elven fantasy? (Not to spite pro helfers)"

[Yarathir]

Just like undead players who got all flesh option? "Now that we have no bones showing, can we have option to play as a full skeleton? Oh and also we want straight backs please, we are not savages who huch over. Oh and can we have Nathanos like forsaken? And can we have beards?"

Or spiteful blood elf players who got golden eyes. "Now that we have golden eyes, can we also have blue eyes to complete our high elven fantasy? (Not to spite pro helfers)"

I still, still don't get why Forsaken players assume they're entitled to a straight back option.

There was a reason it was given to Orcs and that was because Orcs were meant to have them in the first place. The hunch was a peon thing and a holdover from Classic.

Forsaken were intended to have a hunch, so it's not fixing a long overdue error.

[FlubberPuddy]

I still, still don't get why Forsaken players assume they're entitled to a straight back option.

There was a reason it was given to Orcs and that was because Orcs were meant to have them in the first place. The hunch was a peon thing and a holdover from Classic.

Forsaken were intended to have a hunch, so it's not fixing a long overdue error.

I also read earlier that a Blizzard developer said they're in a sense going to retcon some of the initial ways they've introduced race looks because they don't want to be beholden to design ideas from 15 years ago.

Therefore I am starting to think people should kind of drop a bit of 'this is how the race was introduced and that's how they should stay', like everything with the game and irl. Things evolve.

I don't necessarily feel Forsaken players feel entitled but it's mostly a natural reaction of 'if it can be done for one race, why can't it be done for others' which I think is a reasonable stance to take.

Also agreed with @Andromedes , it's very natural to ask for more after getting some additions. People who are trying to act like the majority of players don't do this and only 'entitled' or 'unappreciative' folk are the only ones asking for more are being purposefully obtuse about it.

Go look at the Blood Elves Discussion thread, Blood Elves have already gotten so much and people are still asking for more. It's just natural.

[delus]

Just like undead players who got all flesh option? "Now that we have no bones showing, can we have option to play as a full skeleton? Oh and also we want straight backs please, we are not savages who huch over. Oh and can we have Nathanos like forsaken? And can we have beards?"

Or spiteful blood elf players who got golden eyes. "Now that we have golden eyes, can we also have blue eyes to complete our high elven fantasy? (Not to spite pro helfers)"

Actually I see more requests for the nathanos model, which is really just pale human with glowy eyes. Funny with how much hate humans get.

[Syegfryed]

Just like undead players who got all flesh option? "Now that we have no bones showing, can we have option to play as a full skeleton? Oh and also we want straight backs please, we are not savages who huch over. Oh and can we have Nathanos like forsaken? And can we have beards?"

none of those options is on the other faction, even if the nathanos model is add, it would still be significant different from the humans of the alliance, lets not be hypocrites yes?

Or spiteful blood elf players who got golden eyes. "Now that we have golden eyes, can we also have blue eyes to complete our high elven fantasy? (Not to spite pro helfers)"

asking a canon option for then isn't spiteful just because "pro-helfes" think they are entitled to have then, isn't like they asked the silver covenant to join the horde.

[DeicideUH]

Hello, new me!

[Kyriani]

You look fabulous!

[DeicideUH]

And here's a small void elf customization gallery:

https://imgur.com/a/mSXnafX

Some examples:

[Sharby]

Omg High Elves look so good I want to play one so bad.

[Goldielocks]

What?Please be on point, High elves have been added, he was wrong, don't get lost.

No they haven't. Blood Elves and Void Elves have fair skin customization and blue eyes. Please get out of fantasyland lmao

[Andromedes]

none of those options is on the other faction, even if the nathanos model is add, it would still be significant different from the humans of the alliance, lets not be hypocrites yes?

asking a canon option for then isn't spiteful just because "pro-helfes" think they are entitled to have then, isn't like they asked the silver covenant to join the horde.

I was just responding to "give an inch, demand a mile" comment. I wasnt saying anything about which customization is more justified. Also Nathanos is unique model and regular playable model would be basic human with undead skin and red eyes, like those vampirates in stormheim.

Ion in April said, that blue eyes for blood elves wouldnt make sense, as their culture went towards different direction, and Ion is a God. Month later they changed their minds and gave blue eyes for them. It does not necessarily mean, that those options are canon, just like black skin for almost every race. Or undead eyes, which apparently now glow with every color of rainbow.

English is not my first language as you may see from my comments, but i cant unsee, that you write "then" when you clearly mean to write "them". Not a hate, just an observation.

And here's a small void elf customization gallery

Oh that is so cool. I am wondering why void elves got purple eyes and blood elves didnt. Are they making canon, that Kirin tor high elves have purple eyes? Or is it just more customization without any specific reason?

[Andromedes]

Vereesa in HS art is a void elf confirmed.

[Syegfryed]

I was just responding to "give an inch, demand a mile" comment.

i know that, the problem is you were using double standards, if you want to make a comparison use equivalence, the problem isn't asking more customization, but asking the ones of the other race

Ion in April said, that blue eyes for blood elves wouldnt make sense, as their culture went towards different direction, and Ion is a God.

he was not talking about canon things, BE moving towards another direction merely means that even if they have blue eyes in the canon(proved many times even with npcs) they would not get that customization, an arbitrary lock, they saw how that make no sense and went back with the statement.

, Month later they changed their minds and gave blue eyes for them. It does not necessarily mean, that those options are canon, just like black skin for almost every race

but it is canon, they said the options are in the lore

English is not my first language as you may see from my comments, but i cant unsee, that you write "then" when you clearly mean to write "them". Not a hate, just an observation.

Dyslexia

Oh that is so cool. I am wondering why void elves got purple eyes and blood elves didnt. Are they making canon, that Kirin tor high elves have purple eyes? Or is it just more customization without any specific reason?

no specific reason, cause lore wise purple should also be a blood elf thing, since both use magic energies in different Levels, there is the veleera event where she absorb a magic of a naga weapon and her eyes turn purple, and a blood elf warlock artwork who have purple eyes, fair obvious due to the shadow magic:

[Andromedes]

This eye color thing is tiresome. I sometimes wish that thalassian elves(or every race) had normal eyes and only those who delve in certain type of magic would have glowing eyes. I think this was the case before the Burning crusade. Now everyone has glowing eyes, from simple farmer to elite swordsman. Even in warbringers they shown sylvanas and other high elves with non glowin eyes.

Non-glowing eyes show much more character. For example undead with blind eyes option look much better.

Wtf is this shit? I think it is the lack of iris and pupil.

[Kallisto]

Err... Nightborne?!

Err... blue eye color for belfs too?!

Holy entitlement Batman! You gonna want something for wildhammer tatoos too? How about all the clans you have represented on the mag'har?
Sheesh... you want race X. That is fine. But you are owed nothing.

What we want is for something for blood elves that is a unique skin tone or something that is fucking visual to see when you are wearing full armour.

Jewelry which won't show unless your wearing bikini armour is rediculous. Hair styles are 99% the same when it comes to void elves having blood elf styles with a handful of their own. Much like having all the blood elf skin tones plus their own.

Essentially just give blood elves undead skin tones and red eyes to balance void elf void skin tones and void eyes. So both sides have something highly visual and unique. Not one side absorbing 90% of the other side plus their own stuff.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Hello, new me!

Between a Void and a High place

I kinda love how the new customization make the player character look like a middle point between HE and VE NPC's, like a missing link.

Regardless, for some reason I'd like if they started making some of the random HE NPC's use the VE model (like battlemages, guardians, etc)

[Andromedes]

Essentially just give blood elves undead skin tones and red eyes to balance void elf void skin tones and void eyes. So both sides have something highly visual and unique. Not one side absorbing 90% of the other side plus their own stuff.

Indeed that would be good deal. Those who want san'layn or dark rangers would be satisfied i think. Of course the people who wanted vampiric racials and more bat-like cutomization wont be fully satisfied, but i think it would be similar victory for them, just like high elven customization is victory for pro-helfers.