The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
Well, yes. I thought that was obvious. And yes, I do believe his words imply that this "story" he claims he wants to tell is important, because, if it wasn't, I think he'd just have outright say it instead of going "I know but I'm not telling, teheh~"
Well, of course there is a reason. And his words imply that the reason for it is not mundane, otherwise I don't see any reason why he wouldn't just say stuff like "he's a former Silver Covenant elf that returned to Silvermoon", for example.And that's pretty much it, Danuser -again, whether we like him or not- is the Lead Narrative Designer, so if he basically says "there's a reason this guy has blue eyes" is pretty arrogant to say otherwise.
It doesn't, really. It does not, at all. Because it could just be a PR cover story. Like 2K games saying they "didn't intend to put unskippable adds during loading screens" in their latest NBA game when it was clear it was intended.Mind you, all it means it's not a bug, we still don't know the specifics of it -because most likely it's not that interesting of a story- That's it; it confirms it's not a bug.
Think about it: the high elf discussion has been one of, if not the most heated and long-discussed topic in WoW. I think, from a PR standpoint, it's better to throw fuel to the fire than to quench the discussion.
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lets not pretend this is about alleria, and she is a special case because ate a dark naaru, she always was, wanting to be like he and not doing hat she did seems unfair, especially when we have npcs with things that we also can't dp.
people said it never had before too.Anyway now, there are no longer any differences between a Void Elf and a Blood Elf in full armor.
compared to void elves they have, you have to compare on the same subrace not outside, like normal orcs don't have brown skin, normal dwarves don't have dark iron skin, void elves should no even get the skin, but they did, at least let the hair color be different.
nothing blood elves got was from void elves, they get their death knight option.In fact, from all playable races, void elves are ONLY race who don't have white hair option. Alleria have blonde hair, so I would not restrict void elves to that color either. Blood elves also got blue hair color tones, which is something what was void elf thing before (well, different tones, but still blue).
people will ask for the same tattoos later down the road, cause reasons, so thing should stop somewhere before void elvs became virtually 2 racesI also don't think hair colors are the most optimal options for maintaining unique feature of the race. I'd rather see blood elves getting runic tattoos and similar stuff and void elves getting something different for these races having different flavors.
why brown?On the other hand, if there have to be some differences in hair colors, I think brown and red color tones are the best candidates to remain on blood elves only.
red, white and blonde seems fair.
Nah, it really makes no sense in universe when, unlike skin and eye color, you can dye hair.
To limit Void Elves to only dark hair colors would simply be an arbitrary forced distinction from a meta level, specially when their leader has natural blonde color, and now VE's can have her skin tone AND eye color.
If it's arbitrary, it's just arbitrary.
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Dude if you wanna start a conspiracy theory about this I'm not your guy. What if Danuser has just wanted to give blue eyes to Blood Elves for a while and he has peppered some here and there? If he says there was a reason that guy has blue eyes, to contradict that you are simply saying he is lying.
Because you are literally saying he is not being truthful when he says there is a reason -possibly a very unimportant one- that guy had blue eyes and instead you chose to believe it's a conspiracy theory PR cover story? That's just ilogical
Dude, the lead narrative designer said there was a reason, it's not a bug. Even if it started as a bug they changed their mind. What are you even arguing against? The official statement is that there's a reason for his eyes, so it's really you just not accepting the facts because they don't suit you. Hardly any different than all those people that said HE's are un-viable as an AR despite the facts.
All of this is you simply not wanting Blood Elves to have blue eyes. just like Syegfryed not wanting VE's to have white and blonde hair -despite Alleria having blonde hair.
Y'all need to check your biases, pretty please.
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Trying to enforce strict aesthetic differences when they have already been discounted as unnecessary -silhouette argument, coloration argument- and contradict lore depictions -Alleria's blonde hair, specially when her skin tone and eye color are available to players- is just illogical bias at this point
I'm not trying to start any conspiracy, here. What I said is a fact: what Danuser said in his tweet in no way confirms that those blood elves having blue eyes back then is not a bug.
I never said he is lying. I simply said he could be lying. There's a difference.Because you are literally saying he is not being truthful when he says there is a reason -possibly a very unimportant one- that guy had blue eyes and instead you chose to believe it's a conspiracy theory PR cover story? That's just ilogical
I'll repeat: those are meaningless NPCs that contribute in nothing to the lore of the game. Revealing why they have blue eyes would have not spoiled anything. And worse: the Shadowlands' player customization update proves that Danuser was full of shit considering there is no "story" to tell about why those NPCs have blue eyes. Because no story whatsoever is introduced to explain the blood elves' "sudden blue eyes" and the void elves' "sudden pink skin".Dude, the lead narrative designer said there was a reason, it's not a bug. Even if it started as a bug they changed their mind. What are you even arguing against? The official statement is that there's a reason for his eyes, so it's really you just not accepting the facts because they don't suit you. Hardly any different than all those people that said HE's are un-viable as an AR despite the facts.
Um... excuse me? Holy leap of logic, Batman. Not even Stiltman can make a leap that far. This entire conversation has nothing to do with me wanting blood elves to have blue eyes or not. Nothing.All of this is you simply not wanting Blood Elves to have blue eyes. just like Syegfryed not wanting VE's to have white and blonde hair -despite Alleria having blonde hair.
Y'all need to check your biases, pretty please.
Really? Come on dude, what part of discounting actual sources just because don't think they are truthful is bias is not clicking with you?
Danuser said there was a reason why that NPC has blue eyes, your constant pursuit in de-legitimizing the confirmation that blood elves can have blue eyes in kinda bonkers. That BE players can have blue eyes means that it is ALREADY a possibility, just like humans getting darks skin, and the fact that Blood Elf NPC already had blue eyes further cements that!
You are literally sounding like the people asking for a reason why humans can hae black skin, are you seriously not realizing that?
Dude you are bending backwards to discredit Danuser's statements, how is a leap to say you are biased?Um... excuse me? Holy leap of logic, Batman. Not even Stiltman can make a leap that far. This entire conversation has nothing to do with me wanting blood elves to have blue eyes or not. Nothing.
Because it's not bias, at all. Yes, I don't like Danuser, but my interpretation to what he said has to more to do with logic than anything revolving bias. I'll repeat:
• We're talking about meaningless blood elf NPCs that have as much weight in the lore as a fly.
• Revealing the reason why those blood elf NPCs have blue eyes would in nothing impact the lore unless those NPCs were suddenly catapulted into prominence within the lore to the likes of Valeera, Calia, and Rexxar. That's cheap writing.
• Danuser's reply is rather immature, with his "I know but I'm not telling" statement.
The Shadowlands expansion then practically proved me right when I said I didn't believe Danuser's claim about "stories to tell" considering we have zero explanation in the lore as to why blood elves suddenly can have blue eyes. Instead of being one big lore-heavy event to explain the sudden appearance of blue-eyed blood elves 'en masse', it's just a "there were always blood elves with blue eyes".Danuser said there was a reason why that NPC has blue eyes,
Except you didn't accuse me of making a "leap of logic". You outright accused me of "not wanting blood elves to have blue eyes" when I never even mentioned anything remotely close to that in our conversation. I never said anything if blood elves should or should not be allowed to have blue eyes in my responses to you.Dude you are bending backwards to discredit Danuser's statements, how is a leap to say you are biased?
You assumed my position, and assumed wrong.
in this way every race would get every single color to the hair, and lots of then don't have it, like as far i remember my orc don't have blonde either, they barely have white.
every race is arbitrary limited by something, i don't see why they are especial to get a different treatment, it make sense darkening the hair due to void energies, maybe is something strong that a simple dye doesn't wok, but is something to set then apart since skin is not game anymoreTo limit Void Elves to only dark hair colors would simply be an arbitrary forced distinction from a meta level, specially when their leader has natural blonde color, and now VE's can have her skin tone AND eye color.
We also have to stop using leaders as something so crucial, cause forsakens never had sylvanas elves playable, neither have Calia options.
I fully agree with you that we shouldn’t rely on “but muh leader looks like this!!!” unless you apply it equally to the Forsaken, but there’s no good reason to deny Void Elves white hair. It would look great against their void skins and Alleria has white hair in her void form too.
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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white and too light options kinda goes against all the void shenanigans, thy should get black, purple and those kind void colors, a set of colors that are NOT options for blood elves, to set then more apart, and i think alleria hair is blue, i don't remember being white, could be wrong too
While I personally disagreee and would prefer blonde hair being allowed as well, I can see why one would want to restrict it to keep some difference. Not giving Void Elves the previously High Elf only blue hair color though is just silly (both being the color of the Alliance and close to the color spectrum of the void).
Did I? Cause again you fail to address the lack of logic of your posture, so beyond you don't want blue eyes for blood elves, what other explanation there is?
It's insane how you keep doubling down on dismissing Danuser when "yeah there's a reason that guy has blue eyes, might tell later" is all we need to know to define it as a bug or intended -even if it didn't start like that- Because again, how relevant the NPC is is not freaking relevant! What matters is that Danuser there's a reason why that Blood Elf has blue eyes, just like PCs can have blue eyes. So What are you even arguing at this point save for arguing's sake?
Again, are you this mad of human with dark skins, or you really only care if it's about blue eyes blood elves?
This incessant necessity of an specific WHY Lanesh or other blood elves have blue eyes when: We have known since the start that the fel taint would fade in time, all that has changed was the timeframe. It has ALWAYS been possible within the lore. What about BE's that only recently rejoined? why would they have green eyes? There are already prefectly reasonable explanations of the way beyond even "they could always have" so again, what are you even asking?
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You say that as if would be a bad thing? Why would more hair colors for everyone be bad?
"Every race is arbitrary limited by something" does not cut it when we are talking about lore here, and really doesn't either when gameplay has pretty much already made any differenciation moot. "It makes sense darkening the hair due to void energies" no it freaking doesn't when skin car remain utterly unchanged. FFS, think about what you are saying and realize the utter lack of consistency.every race is arbitrary limited by something, i don't see why they are especial to get a different treatment, it make sense darkening the hair due to void energies, maybe is something strong that a simple dye doesn't wok, but is something to set then apart since skin is not game anymore
We also have to stop using leaders as something so crucial, cause forsakens never had sylvanas elves playable, neither have Calia options.
"We have to stop using leaders as something so crucial" See, that's why context is a thing; Sylvanas was an elf while playable undead are humans, Calia was risen by a completely different type of magic. Alleria and the rest of the Void Elves were changed by the same cosmic force, different manner, and if you say "well that justifies hair color, but only hair color!" Then I'm going to laugh at your face.
I'm sorry, but after VE's were giving the same skin tone and eye color than Alleria, any justification that the manner of voidification impacted appearance got thrown out of the window. All we have now is arbitrary distinction, and while that is entirely discretionary of the devs, it will be a cold day in hell before it makes for a good lore argument FFS.
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Like LFD, Void elves were ridiculously limited concept wise. They need a wider spectrum of colors just from a design perspective; if they want to keep VE hair colors different, they could add lighter colors, but in "ashy" or "desaturated" hues, as if Void robbed their hair color of their sun kissed vibrancy. That would be a design choice that reflects a lore concern. Bonus point if Alleria's hair color also gets a bit washed out as well, it would tie everything together.
Yes. Yes, you did. The only reason you see a "lack of logic" in my "posture" is because you're trying to fit my "posture" into a pre-conceived notion of what you think my position is.
Because his words do not confirm that those blood elf npcs having blue eyes was not a bug, as you said in your original claim:It's insane how you keep doubling down on dismissing Danuser when "yeah there's a reason that guy has blue eyes, might tell later" is all we need to know to define it as a bug or intended -even if it didn't start like that- Because again, how relevant the NPC is is not freaking relevant! What matters is that Danuser there's a reason why that Blood Elf has blue eyes, just like PCs can have blue eyes. So What are you even arguing at this point save for arguing's sake?
So you insist that I am "mad that blood elves got blue eyes" even when I never expressed said sentiment in our conversation and even told you that is not my position? Are you actually arguing in bad faith and trying to get an irate response out of me that would likely get me infracted?Again, are you this mad of human with dark skins, or you really only care if it's about blue eyes blood elves?
Then why didn't Danuser, the lead narrative designer, didn't simply say so? "The fel taint disappears in time. Some got rid of it earlier than others." Such a simple response that would have helped so much in the discussion and would affect in nothing future stories. But, again, he resorted to that immature "I know but I'm not telling" response.This incessant necessity of an specific WHY Lanesh or other blood elves have blue eyes when: We have known since the start that the fel taint would fade in time, all that has changed was the timeframe. It has ALWAYS been possible within the lore. What about BE's that only recently rejoined? why would they have green eyes? There are already prefectly reasonable explanations of the way beyond even "they could always have" so again, what are you even asking?
You would know what I'm asking, if you actually read my questions and arguments instead of creating a frigging strawman of my position and solely focusing on your strawman instead of addressing what I'm really writing.
^you two better take it to the DMs
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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I think the high elf sorceress has violet eyes not purple. According to Sean Copeland aka Loreology "Arcane magic is canonically white and/or violet in the lore"
source: https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Arch...from_Loreology
Dalaran also uses a lot of "violet" in names (Violet Hold, Violet Citadel) but is arcane focused as well. Arcane Missiles also appear violet.
"I guess only blood elves feel like the odd man out for the Horde. I hope that we've engineered that into it as deftly as we could, but you know, it's the equivalent of a bunch of white chicks hanging out with goblin or tauren. It's weird." -- Chris Metzen
Alleria has blonde hair. There is no reason why Void elves should be denied blonde, black, and other hair color options.
Blood elves can remain unique by giving them a set of Dark Ranger-themed customization options.
The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!