Artifact Weapon Retirement - yes or no?

[huth]

Why? Every single expansion, my main characters only started replacing the gear I got from raiding in the previous expansion on the second half of the leveling process, sometimes almost reaching max level with still some of the gear from the previous expansion.

Because of just how far you'd have to go for a weapon to outrank your artifact. We're not talking most of the way to 120. We're talking most of the way through the first raid tier. Particularly with the BfA changes to weapons reducing their impact of performance. For some specs it's even more extreme, with Guardian having traits that account for more than 40 iLvl per point.

[Iron locust]

Has anyone played the BfA alpha? Are there quest lines for the Azerite gear? Honestly, I enjoyed that. I do not mind losing my artifacts...but Id like to have the same immersion we got in earning them.

I will miss my weapons talking to me. That was cool

[RoKPaNda]

Going back to weapon drops is going to be such a shitshow. Currently if you're a little behind on relic drops in a tier it's not a HUGE deal. Obviously you don't want that, but you've got decent alternatives from M+ and whatnot. Now we're going to go into each tier with an absolute shit weapon from the previous tier and rely on loot drops (RNG) - Last person of X class to get a weapon drop or your raid just doesn't have luck with weapon drops? Yup, you're fucked. Should have just kept artifact weapons tbh.

[Pebble]

Never should have been implemented in the first place. Glad to have them gone.

That wasn't a poll option...

[Futhark]

Good riddance. #notmyFrostmourne

[Super Kami Dende]

Every expansion did not come what a weapon that had a game progression in a piece of gear that was equal to the game progress
of the Character itself. So that is nonsense. Some of the Blizzard community is behaving very badly about this and passing of everyones
personal achievement as something to be ruined because oph it's ok if Blizzard behaves tyrannical they are richer than everybody else...
it's ok... move on with life grouchy! & you wonder why revolutions happen? o.O

Lol ok, I see you are a little unhinged. the Thread suddenly makes more sense.

[Ielenia]

Because of just how far you'd have to go for a weapon to outrank your artifact. We're not talking most of the way to 120. We're talking most of the way through the first raid tier. Particularly with the BfA changes to weapons reducing their impact of performance. For some specs it's even more extreme, with Guardian having traits that account for more than 40 iLvl per point.

Don't think Blizzard doesn't know that. They do. They've acknowledged how the loss of the artifact can affect a class' performance and its rotation, and have considered baking in some of the traits into the class proper, just like how they did with the 'Draenor Perks' from WoD.

[NoahWeaver]

First, a nitpick: learn to not "over-format" your posts. No need to press the "enter" key every time you reach the end of the typing box if your paragraph isn't ending there.

Are you a moderator? 8000+ comments, 7 year member... I really feel like you are breathing down my neck here! Not ok with that.

as far as I can tell, Blizzard is not "taking away" artifacts.

YES THEY ARE! You are being forced to retire it in order to continue on into BoA and experience new content and game progression to a higher tier. This means they are taking it away unless you do not buy BoA. So yay, I guess me and millions are not buy BoA & saving our $ for the next expac.

They just won't be used in the next expansion, and will, just like what you did with gear on previous expansions, you'll either sell it, destroy it, or keep it in your bank.

Sell it.... SELL IT... SELL IT... are you crazy... would you sell your 966 110 Paladin or druid or warlock or whatever, so a stupid vendor? Tell me you must be joking... selling it. Whoever does is very stupid sorry to have to say that. "Destroy it" So just like selling it basically you are being forced to have it taken away from you.... (even if it just thrown into a bank as irrelevant) months, years of game progression like your character gone, dead just like that. This is lunacy. How could anyone support this tyranny? It makes no sense.

They're not "removing" it, they're just not continuing the artifact weapons for BfA. You'll still have your artifact weapon that you'll be able to use on Timewalking dungeons.

I did not use the word remove... but everyone wants to do Timewalks and more game progression and more time walks and more game progression just so they can fool around with their Artifact the worked so hard on and is now useless like they want a hole in the head.

Lastly, a reminder: learn to not "over-format" your posts.

Why don't I post the way I want & you post the way you want. & by the way the formating I do is because this sites stupid bot doesn't text
wrap my post properly. So I have to edit a text wrap.

EDIT: also, if the "artifact weapon" feature remained for BfA, there are several issues with that.

Issues that can be easily banged out to service everyone's needs and wants easily unless they're too darn lazy. But i gather Blizzard just
doesn't have the spunk for it anymore, they're getting soft, lazy and uncreative I can see. Just look at their new races mainly fan based
contribution content that are not really new races but just old races with new appearance & story spins.

Some of them being: if the current artifact weapons continued, how to expand on their functionality?

Piece of cake. Were you in game when they had the glyph system. They already have the game construct for expanding on this functionality.
They just must be too lazy to bother with it. I guess that's what happens when you make billions... you don't care!

All the traits would be already unlocked, and you'd take several months to get a single new artifact level. Add more traits? That would cause inevitable bloat. No, artifact weapons should be "retired".

Sounds to me more like you're arguing they should be lazy and not create an acceptable game construct to amalgamate the old with the new as it should be. Tell me is all the ability panes we've had since Vanilla, is that bloating the system too...? so get rid of your ability pane also...? It's bloating the system. Ya right... NOT! LMAO at that last response.

[Zequill]

Yes, I just cannot wait to see how Fury War will get their damage increase during Battle Shout / Recklessness. It been what, 4 times we lost and get back that ability....

[oleander89]

What is going to happen to them? Are they gone in 8.0 or when BfA launches? Are we going to have something to replace them with right away or just have them become useless with no viable alternative to farm until leveling content?

[Ielenia]

Are you a moderator? 8000+ comments, 7 year member... I really feel like you are breathing down my neck here! Not ok with that.

... That's quite the non-sequitur.

YES THEY ARE!

No, they're not. Weapons will still be in the game. Their power just won't be upgraded any further.

You are being forced to retire it in order to continue on into BoA and experience new content and game progression to a higher tier.
This means they are taking it away unless you do not buy BoA. So yay, I guess me and millions are not buy BoA & saving our $ for the next expac.

Just like you did with every single piece of gear since the beginning of the game.

Sell it.... SELL IT... SELL IT... are you crazy... would you sell your 966 110 Paladin or druid or warlock or whatever, so a stupid vendor?

We're talking about an item, not a character.

I did not use the word remove...

You didn't use that exact same word, true, but what you said really means exactly that:

They are going to be taking away or Artifact in the Next Expac.

Why don't I post the way I want & you post the way you want. & by the way the formating I do is because this sites stupid bot doesn't text
wrap my post properly. So I have to edit a text wrap.

That's not a site problem. It works just fine for me, and I imagine it also does for everyone else, considering you're the first one, in this 7+ years of browsing these forums, to have this "problem".

Issues that can be easily banged out to service everyone's needs and wants easily unless they're too darn lazy.

Such as? Just saying "it can be easily fixed" doesn't really answer the question considering you decided to shit a bit more on Blizzard instead of offering alternatives.

Piece of cake. Were you in game when they had the glyph system. They already have the game construct for expanding on this functionality.
They just must be too lazy to bother with it. I guess that's what happens when you make billions... you don't care!

The functionality is already in place for the artifact weapons: it's called the "relic system".

Sounds to me more like you're arguing they should be lazy and not create an acceptable game construct to amalgamate the old with the new as it should be.

No. "Lazy" would be to always stick to the same formula and never improve on it or try new things.

[ro9ue]

We are going to be able to transmog to the appearances. They are baking in any mechanics and abilities gained from the artifact into the specs themselves.

We really don't lose anything. The only thing retiring is the AP/AK system and Artifact UI.

[Mirishka]

A resounding "Don't care" for me.

Gear and sets are retired every expansion. Anyone who thought the Artifacts would continue after Legion were a tad silly.

Pretty much this, especially considering they announced literally from day 1 that 'much like how garrisons were a Warlords thing, Artifacts will be a Legion thing.'

[VyersReaver]

I wish they let go of the grind/tree and just give us new models for it, or entirely new artifacts. It is kinda boring to go around with one weapon for the whole expansion, but it is also boring to swing around some no name tree branch (G'Hanir notwithstanding) instead of the fucking Ashbringer. I wish they kept their word and allowed us to craft a new weapon that would later down the line become just as legendary as Doomhammer or Frostmourne.

[NoahWeaver]

[QUOTE=Ielenia;49043432]

It's not "nonsense". The exact same argument could be said about, for example, legendaries such as MoP's legendary cloak, and WoD's legendary ring. All items that were tied to character progression, as you progressed through the content you improved the item. And they're now just sitting in the bank, collecting dust.

They are sitting in the bank collecting dust because Blizzard is to soft and lazy to make the relevant for the next expac. With Transmogrification and crafting skill in the game why is it so hard to understand that nothing seawise that we (especially game veterans) have worked so hard for need not become irrelevant. Would you make your character and your achievement pane irrelevant...? why because it's just a game? So why bother play it then? Play cards and then burn the deck afterwards... guess you like burning money too!

Nothing is being ruined. Blizzard is not being tyrannical. It's their game, they do what they want. We can offer feedback, but we don't get to decide the way the game should be developed.

Everything is being ruined. A full season of an entire patch line is being ruined and that's a fact. Unless they want to entrench the artifact as a glyph system into the character pane... they have just ruined WoW period. totally ruined like Ruiner at Kingaroth - I bet that was their nasty way of telling us they were gonna ruin this game for everyone but the minority spoiled brats who they favor to become their GM's.

Do you know why revolutions happen? They happen because things stay the same for too long and people want new things.

Wrong that is not why revolution happen. That is just your solitary excuse for why they happen. Revolution happen because we the people
decided there needs to be a change of power because they use change in a tyrannical way & we then have to unite in solidarity and change
who gets to decided how change happens. It is one tyrannical greedy person or jsut a few... they've got to go one way or another.
That is why revolution happen. it's not about change it's responsibility to change to be fair for everyone and not just a few jerks.

Why? Every single expansion, my main characters only started replacing the gear I got from raiding in the previous expansion on the second half of the leveling process, sometimes almost reaching max level with still some of the gear from the previous expansion.

So while you claim revolution is change you really don't want change do you unless it caters to your sense of the game but oh not some one else? Keeping the artifact doesn't mean we have to be locked into using just that item in our weapon slot. I guess you forgot about the old glyph system pre-legion. Which would make sense in this case. I see a who lot of lack of creativity and excuse for Blizzard to be lazy about this in your argument.

[Mirishka]

I wish they let go of the grind/tree and just give us new models for it, or entirely new artifacts. It is kinda boring to go around with one weapon for the whole expansion, but it is also boring to swing around some tree branch (Ghanir notwithstanding) instead of the fucking Ashbringer. I wish they kept their word and allowed us to craft a new weapon that would later down the line become just as legendary as Doomhammer or Frostmourne.

In nearly 14 years of obsessively following news about this game, nowhere do I recall them promising us 'weapons that you, the player, will craft and make as legendary as Ashbringer/Doomhammer/etc!'

So, source? Or is that random angry fan bullshit like 80% of what's posted on this forum?

[Calfredd]

No just kidding... all views welcome but, I do still think you are scum unless you can come
up with a perfectly valid explanation as to why you think destroying all our hard work, time and effort is ok!

Nice to see OP playing nice this time around.

[huth]

Don't think Blizzard doesn't know that. They do. They've acknowledged how the loss of the artifact can affect a class' performance and its rotation, and have considered baking in some of the traits into the class proper, just like how they did with the 'Draenor Perks' from WoD.

I think you forgot what we were talking about. They have to disable the traits somehow or you would have to hold on to the artifacts quite a ways into BfA endgame simply because they're far and away the best weapons available.

[esoy]

But... but... my Kingsbane

Coming on 12 years of playing WoW. I don’t really care as long as I have the appearances still and my class still plays well.

[VyersReaver]

In nearly 14 years of obsessively following news about this game, nowhere do I recall them promising us 'weapons that you, the player, will craft and make as legendary as Ashbringer/Doomhammer/etc!'

So, source? Or is that random angry fan bullshit like 80% of what's posted on this forum?

Last Blizzcon. I have no patience rewatching it to pinpoint the moment for you. They said that.

And what even gave you the idea that what I wrote is "random angry fan bullshit"? I am angry only after that statement.

Also, how is the TC not banned yet?