Ohio student suspended for staying in class during walkout protest

[Dacien]

Politicians, the one who should understand the complexities of the issue, have had decades to fix it. School shootings in the US are not exactly a new phenomenon. Yet, the 'policy prescription' offered by those in power, no matter who is in the White House, so far has been the same. Thoughts, prayers, maybe some soft regulations that are quietly undone soon after. That is what they have always done, and that approach has failed to stop school shootings from happening. In that time, my country has had one school shootings, we decided that something needed to be done, did something to restrict gun access further and haven't had any more of those.

Anyway, facing the failure of established politicians to prevent shootings, I think that students have a right to voice their own opinion on this particular issue. They can't vote yet, so this is the only avenue they have.

Sure, they're absolutely allowed to have this protest if it's sanctioned by staff, which it was in most schools as far as I understand it. I just wonder how many of these kids weighed the constitutional arguments or gun homicide data and statistics before they marched out there. And these kids are sacred cows. You can't really argue your position on guns or gun policy when you have a bunch of kids out there. Suddenly your data or arguments don't matter, because you're arguing against the wishes of thousands of kids, and that makes you heartless, de facto.

[Travis B]

You don't think this could be an educational experience of some kind?

You must not have paid much attention during your classes.

Either that or he went to Trump University and paid extra careful attention.

[Minikin]

he was suspended for not following the school protocol i believe. not the protest for or against thing.

dunno about the states (never studied there dont want to assume), but in canada, you are designated to gather in spots for easy supervision.

[Lanfall]

The teacher wasn't in class so he couldn't stay in class. His alternative to participating was to go to study hall.

Reading is hard.

Riiiiiiiiight and teachers never leave classrooms unattended...

[draynay]

Riiiiiiiiight and teachers never leave classrooms unattended...

For seventeen minutes?

[Lanfall]

For seventeen minutes?

Yes? It happens all the time if the Teacher has to go to the office for something or anything else. It's not a rare occurrence

For extended periods with students in them? No.

17 minutes is an extended period of time? Lawl

[Crissi]

For seventeen minutes?

Had it happen a couple times, mainly in computer class. So we played games instead of learn how to use microsoft office but nothing terrible

Best part of that in HS was that if we got through all the coursework and tests, we didnt have to attend class anymore. So my last monthish of HS, I had 2 free periods instead of 1.

[Dellis0991]

Just a reminders that there can be crazy shit going on on both sides of a issue sometimes, oh boy what a fucked up world we live in.

[Everwake]

His choice was to either walk out or go to study hall. Staying in his classroom wasn't an option. I don't see the problem.

[Heladys]

Lookit all the authoritarian fanboy woke independents idolizing the authoritarian wannabe hall-monitor volunteer for his independent thinking and rule-breaking.

Hypocrisy overload!

[Dellis0991]

I would say it was at most a few times a year while I was in school. Definitely less than 5% of classes, which is pretty rare. Pretty much when it's unavoidable is the only time. Obviously it was avoidable during this time.

I'm not sure what your point is anyway. The kid was given two options, he refused either option, he got punished.

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What exactly do you think was "crazy shit" that was going on?

The crazy shit is that he is a bystander. I understand the part about him being unsupervised but the death threat and insults is too much.

[Celista]

Lookit all the authoritarian fanboy woke independents idolizing the authoritarian wannabe hall-monitor volunteer for his independent thinking and rule-breaking.

Hypocrisy overload!

I agree, but I also think a suspension is overboard. Maybe a detention...annoyed at how most high schools micromanage.

[Heladys]

I agree, but I also think a suspension is overboard. Maybe a detention...annoyed at how most high schools micromanage.

I don't have any problem with that.

[Mistame]

You can suspend students from walking out or not participating in sanctioned school activities but you cannot suspend students for exercising/not exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

While this isn't necessarily relevant to the OP, it does need to be clarified. A child's rights, including the First Amendment, are limited under certain conditions and a school is one of those conditions. You can be "punished" for exercising rights that break the school's rules.

It does if those rules/laws or enforcement goes against your rights.

You can absolutely challenge rules/laws that violate rights and get them changed but that doesn't mean you can break them.

[Togashii]

Sure, they're absolutely allowed to have this protest if it's sanctioned by staff, which it was in most schools as far as I understand it. I just wonder how many of these kids weighed the constitutional arguments or gun homicide data and statistics before they marched out there. And these kids are sacred cows. You can't really argue your position on guns or gun policy when you have a bunch of kids out there. Suddenly your data or arguments don't matter, because you're arguing against the wishes of thousands of kids, and that makes you heartless, de facto.

I don’t think these kids give one flying fuck about your precious right to guns when they are getting slaughtered. Just like you don’t give a flying fuck about them living. Same with your trumpanzee nazi friends. So spare us your fake concern.

[cubby]

excuse me but what was he lying about exactly? He linked the article, gave his thoughts on it, and just to check the article was genuine I googled it, showing its been broadcast over many news stations and sites.

Well, let's see. He said the kid was punished for not protesting. Which is a lie. He said that the kid didn't want to used as a "political pawn". Which is another lie.

I mean, the whole OP is just one big misrepresentation of the facts. Which we used to call a lie. And still is one. If you read the article, then you know the OP was lying. If you think he's right, then you're a liar too.

If you're just confused, I can try and explain whatever you don't understand.

[Venant]

Do you even realize how ironic your statement is? If we lived in North Korea, such an event would never be allowed. It was VOLUNTARY.

Why exactly should schools be politically neutral anyway? Are employees of the education system not allowed to have their say in a democracy? Do you think we live in North Korea or something?

Your hypocrisy is fucking astounding.

What you don't seem to comprehend is that students, who would have rather had normal class schedules, were not given that option. Why were they not given that option? Because the school chose to endorse a political agenda.

Why do I compare it to North Korea? Because in North Korea, the schools do endorse a sanctioned political agenda.

Do you think that schools should be ideologically neutral, or do you believe schools should endorse a political ideology?

Political neutrality in institutions like schools is something that protects democracy.

[Garnier Fructis]

One day, I wish to see a @Venant thread where he isn't blatantly misrepresenting what happened.

[cubby]

What you don't seem to comprehend is that students, who would have rather had normal class schedules, were not given that option. Why were they not given that option? Because the school chose to endorse a political agenda.

Why do I compare it to North Korea? Because in North Korea, the schools do endorse a sanctioned political agenda.

Do you think that schools should be ideologically neutral, or do you believe schools should endorse a political ideology?

Political neutrality in institutions like schools is something that protects democracy.

Right, because standing up for what you believe in is something we definitely don't want to teach our students.

This entirely thread is intellectually bankrupt. You've been lying and misrepresenting the truth since the OP.

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One day, I wish to see a @Venant thread where he isn't blatantly misrepresenting what happened.

Dare to dream, sir. Dare to dream.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So basically...

"Help help, I got suspended and I'm going to say I didn't take a side when I really did!"

Sounds like every other "woke independent" to me.