The problem is if the other "Femenists" do not dispute them, single them out or seperate them selves from those that make such extremists claims then they will be seen as part of the norm.
But back to the thread topic lets just all agree that any form of Rape is very very bad and should be prosecuted to the fullest.
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I'll be honest men being raped is not psychologically the same as women getting raped. I've seen a few studies, most men are not traumatised if they are raped in adulthood, where as women are. Something like 13% of male adult rape victims respond that their rape has Greatly negatively impacted their life as opposed to 71% of women. A large number of men almost a third respond that that they suffer no psychological consequences from being raped as opposed to single digit women.
More than half of men say that it was an unpleasant experience, but it wasn't a big deal.
Not saying it's not an issue, but we're built differently. It's not the same for men.
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Problem is a woman could force herself on you and make you have sex or accuse you of rape or hurting her. It is scary to be a man in this current climate even more than ever. This is why I am glad I found my wife and have no non family females in my life.
What?
Toxic masculinity leading men to claim it wasn't a big deal
Our evoltionary mating strategies developed differently of course it's not the same, women are the ones that potentially need to carry around a little baby, several years of sunk resources fathered by a potentially inadequate male.
Men don't deal with such consequences of course men wouldn't experience rape the same as women. We don't grow children inside our wombs.
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Why is this hard to believe?
Read my other comment, if you've ever done reading on evolutionary psychology/mating strategies in human. It would make perfect sense to you.
I am not saying women should rape men, I am saying though that men ON AVERAGE don't seem to deal with as much trauma.
I am sure there are men who experience grave consequences, but legitimately from the study of rape victims I've read, they seem to be in the minority
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Violation is violation. Potentially carrying a child after being raped is a whole additional layer of possible anguish, but I feel like suggesting that its the core reason for being traumatized from rape is short-sighted.
So yeah, toxic masculinity, to me, feels like it's at play here. Men are expected to shrug things off, never cry, be tough as nails, etc. As a guy, saying that a) you were raped and b) that it messed you up, breaks these "rules" twice over.
Generally they do, I'm not sure if there has been a subsection that includes "male rights exclusive feminist", but anything else you can find the mainstream feminist movements singling them out. You have terfs(trans exclusive radical feminists) for one big example, I'm pretty sure there is at least 2 or 3 more I have seen, but I don't keep up with the movement like I once did. This is separate from the major classifications of feminists, eco-feminists etc.
A bit off topic, but I think that it's quite hilarious and sad that some countries changed their laws in a way that you have to penetrate a person w/ something, in some cases w/ a penis specifically, to actually rape a person.
Just imagine being drugged by a woman, being fed a ton of Viagra so she could ride your dick. Technically, you can't even claim that she raped you. What's more hilarious is that she can actually acuse you of raping her
I think the 100 complaints is pretty petty to be honest, soaps have shown extreme things from Pedophilia to Murder with less complaints.
coronation street isn't the first to do this either, 15 years ago or so there used to be a ITV program called "The Bill" it was a police drama. That had male rape in it, but the guy wasn't drugged he was just strapped down in a warehouse and taken. The follow up shows showed how it effect his mental health until the point he left the force. Later episode he came back and discussed his recover and could openly talk about it to his team.
Pretty graphic for night time TV, but still it's just one of those things I remember clearly as it will with others, so guess it works highlighting these things.
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It's how the men questioned answered the question of how rape has affected their lives, it was literally "None", "Not much" for more than half of questioned men.
There is no book on why rape is "no big deal" nor should there be.
But I am saying that the negative experience of being raped stems from evolution, if it wer simply a man sticking one of his appendages into a non descript hole on a female without the millions of years of evolution...
Women evolved to experience rape negatively, it means for them that they might be forced to have children with men who are unfit mates. Women who avoided getting raped had a greater chance of passing on their genes because they got the chance to pick a better partner, wih potentially more desirable traits and one who would actuslly contribute resources to their offspring.
Meaning that women who successfully avoided rape encounters passed on their genes more often than those who didn't.
Makes perfect evolutionary sense, men didn't need to develop this way, because we sre not the ones who risk 9 months of pregnancy and then get tied down to the child for years. We experienced different issues, we were more concerned with not having our partner cheat on us, and becoming increasingly more adapt at making sure the child was actually fathered by us, also meaning protecting our partners from being raped by other men.
Male rape was done years ago in desperate house wife’s was it not?
Hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution is not short sighted.
You are the one who lives in a modern bubble.
Again I am not claiming male rape victims shouldn't be provided support if they wish to seek it out HOWEVER:
1. We should not assume that men experience rape the same
2. We shouldn't assume men who do experience serious consequences should deal with their trauma the same or be medically treated in the same manner
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Can I just ask you, do you completely discount the role of evolution in why rape is such a serious issue, do you not believe/understand evolution?
If so why WOULD it be the same for men and women when our reproduction strategies are different?
I've not said it would be the same. I've said I'm dubious that it's "no big deal".
Evolution related data is all well and good, but your conclusions here are also based on what guys have said when asked about rape. Therefore you can't discount the realities of gender role expectations and toxic masculinity.
I'm not suggesting it's either or, and neither should you.
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