Should wearing make up be banned in the workplace?

[Shinra1]

Got to love quotes taken out of context.

No. I watched it and you did take it entirely out of context.

He is showing that once again the discussion about these subjects is skewed in favor of women trying to pretend they're being victimized. He is asking (albeit facetiously) what the rules should be regarding sexual harassment, because nobody seems to be able to figure that out without victimizing one gender over the other.

In what way is the OP taken out of context? He literally is victim-blaming and calling women who wear make up sexually provocative. You two are clearly fans of this deeply sick man. Please stop giving him money, I heard he makes 50k a month from preying on vulnerable young men and radicalising them againist women and mainstream society. I read his 12 rules book and I got a good laugh out of his so-called advice... Someone already said he is a hack and I agree.

[Deleted]

The absolute lunacy of suggesting that makeup is a result of pedophiles.

No it wasn't. As anyone can see.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

In what way is the OP taken out of context? He literally is victim-blaming and calling women who wear make up sexually provocative. You two are clearly fans of this deeply sick man. Please stop giving him money, I heard he makes 50k a month from preying on vulnerable young men and radicalising them againist women and mainstream society. I read his 12 rules book and I got a good laugh out of his so-called advice... Someone already said he is a hack and I agree.

He is showing that once again the discussion about these subjects is skewed in favor of women trying to pretend they're being victimized. He is asking (albeit facetiously) what the rules should be regarding sexual harassment, because nobody seems to be able to figure that out without victimizing one gender over the other.

You've already got your answer and chose to ignore it.

[Shinra1]

I'm wondering if vegans use make-up too?

A lot of makeup brands are vegan and cruelty free and the already established ones are shifting down that route too. Why are you obsessed with vegans?

[Drutt]

It's fair to say that some makeup is workplace inappropriate, but that's no different than saying some clothing is workplace inappropriate. While certain makeup applications/colours are intended to replicate the flushing look of arousal, most are not.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Makeup is fine in moderation when working, just don't come in looking like a clown.

[Shinra1]

You've already got your answer and chose to ignore it.

He is victimising men suggesting that women are to blame for being harassed by men because a woman wearing makeup is a soulsucking succubus. His comment about the red lips is deeply disturbing. Red lips are associated with youth and they also freshen the face up especially if you have a pale complexion as it gives the face some colour after wearing pale foundation that gives you the same complexion as a toilet seat. Basically this man is making shit up and you are too blind to see it.

[Spectral]

In what way is the OP taken out of context? He literally is victim-blaming and calling women who wear make up sexually provocative.

I think it's hard to coherently disagree with the position that there's some odd nuance going on - women wear makeup to become more sexually attractive, but are bothered by men hitting on them if they're not attracted to those men. Obviously there's something odd going on when the general culture is to tell everyone to desexualize the workplace, but makeup doesn't really seem to register there.

I haven't specifically listened to Peterson on the topic, but it's definitely an interesting juxtaposition. Is makeup OK in the workplace? Yeah, obviously in my view. The implication of that is that obviously most people aren't that enthusiastic about desexualizing workplaces, they'd just prefer to tilt the dynamic in favor of women.

[Endus]

There is a large difference between the argument you're presenting and one highlighting it's suitability for the workplace.

Not really. It's the same "women shouldn't be attractive because men can't control themselves" bullshit. It's the same argument.

Why do women need to simulate sexual arousal by making their lips red and putting shade on their eyes at the workplace?

Is that not sexual harassment towards men?

No. No more than a guy trimming or shaving his beard is, or wearing a flattering suit rather than shapeless sackcloth.

[Grimbold21]

What is the issue with saying that enhancing our physique by adding external elements to it reflects an underlying sexual connotation?

[Mistame]

But be warned you won't find further context for what is quoted in the OP as its essentially verbatim.

No, it's not. You're twisting the context to get attention, like always. Grow up.

[Deleted]

I like his view on things, and I think it's society which is being a bit sick right now due to marxist influences being pushed into the minds of our young academics.

He is a clinical psychologist, one of the best in his field and one of the things he judges right is that a lot of the feminists, socialists and SJW-types have personality disorders that need treatment before they infect the rest of society.

he also says the about the alt-right too.

its a phenomena i have noticed. his stated mission is to stop radicalization on the left and right. and has many many talks on the dangers of the right as well as left.
its almost a sign of the lefts fatasization and need to be victims and paint all who say a bad word against them as "evil" that seems to blind them to the fact that he has the same stance on the alt-right that they do.

he even called MGTOW some not nice things though hes since changed his opinion on MGTOW people he still maintains MGTOW is a symptom of a society failing and shouldent be a thing.

[Endus]

I think it's hard to coherently disagree with the position that there's some odd nuance going on - women wear makeup to become more sexually attractive, but are bothered by men hitting on them if they're not attracted to those men. Obviously there's something odd going on when the general culture is to tell everyone to desexualize the workplace, but makeup doesn't really seem to register there.

I haven't specifically listened to Peterson on the topic, but it's definitely an interesting juxtaposition. Is makeup OK in the workplace? Yeah, obviously in my view. The implication of that is that obviously most people aren't that enthusiastic about desexualizing workplaces, they'd just prefer to tilt the dynamic in favor of women.

Or it's as simple as attractiveness being a self-image thing, and that professional ethics require not making your workplace hostile by sexually harassing female coworkers.

If your place of employment doesn't have rules against coworkers dating, there's nothing "harassy" about asking a colleague out for drinks. It's when you don't take a "no" for an answer and keep pushing that it becomes a problem.

As I said in an earlier post; makeup is in the same category as wearing a nice suit or trimming/shaving your facial hair or getting a nice haircut. We ALL do this stuff. It's not just women.

[Grimbold21]

Wearing a nice suit doesn't simulate sex arousal, make-up does.

An argument can be made for that, assuming the man in question has attractive physical features, hence a flattering suit serves to enhance them for potential sexual partners.

[Endus]

Wearing a nice suit doesn't simulate sex arousal, make-up does.

They both make the wearer more attractive, and that is their purpose. You're just confusing that women find different things arousing than men do, generally.

[Nihilist74]

There is probably a lot of women who do not feel secure in public or around their coworkers without their makeup on. If women were not allowed to wear makeup at work, men would eventually start to become attractive to women without makeup. Then anything women do at all would be sexually provocative. I think they should be allowed to wear it.

[Shinra1]

I think it's hard to coherently disagree with the position that there's some odd nuance going on - women wear makeup to become more sexually attractive, but are bothered by men hitting on them if they're not attracted to those men. Obviously there's something odd going on when the general culture is to tell everyone to desexualize the workplace, but makeup doesn't really seem to register there.

I haven't specifically listened to Peterson on the topic, but it's definitely an interesting juxtaposition. Is makeup OK in the workplace? Yeah, obviously in my view. The implication of that is that obviously most people aren't that enthusiastic about desexualizing workplaces, they'd just prefer to tilt the dynamic in favor of women.

I feel like I am in the twilight zone right now as the thread has taken a weird turn just when I thought we were going somewhere. Looking at the poll of this thread most people agree with you that wearing makeup in the workplace shouldn't be banned. With that said and in response to the second part of your post, I simply don't agree that simply because women are allowed to wear makeup while being allowed to call out sexual harassment makes them hypocritical or somehow gives them control over men in the workplace. This is a ridiculous reach on an grande scale even. Women wear makeup to look more attractive. Men (like you) think that they're doing this to look more attractive to men (like you) but this is not the case. Makeup is pretty much something that is expected in most public sector and retail jobs (and even executive positions) i.e. customer facing roles or business to business jobs. There's a pressure on women to wear make up and a lot of women have been socially conditioned to think they are less attractive without make up for example this what highlighted by the #nomakeup campaign that became really popular a few years ago and was seen as somewhat revolutionary. You said you haven't listed to Peterson on this topic well maybe you should because he comes across as sexually frustrated and agressive like he wants to attack women who wear makeup.

[Celista]

I think it's hard to coherently disagree with the position that there's some odd nuance going on - women wear makeup to become more sexually attractive, but are bothered by men hitting on them if they're not attracted to those men. Obviously there's something odd going on when the general culture is to tell everyone to desexualize the workplace, but makeup doesn't really seem to register there.

I haven't specifically listened to Peterson on the topic, but it's definitely an interesting juxtaposition. Is makeup OK in the workplace? Yeah, obviously in my view. The implication of that is that obviously most people aren't that enthusiastic about desexualizing workplaces, they'd just prefer to tilt the dynamic in favor of women.

Women don't wear makeup solely to attract sexual attraction. Women wear makeup because it is honestly expected by society that you do so. Young girls are taught to wear makeup at a young age. Female business professionals are taught that wearing makeup is part of looking polished in the workplace. Clothing, makeup and hair is culturally driven for the most part; women in CO and OR wear less makeup than women in large cities like NY and Chicago or places like Texas. When I lived in Arizona, nearly every woman I knew dyed her hair blonde.

This thread is basically a bunch of men talking about things they do not know anything about and are for some reason trying to police women's bodies. Is there a thread up from a female poster demanding men stop wearing beards because she finds them too sexually provocative?

This topic is stupid and this thread should be closed.

[Shinra1]

No, it's not. You're twisting the context to get attention, like always. Grow up.

That's rich coming from someone who can't control his penis and needs women to make themselves look less attractive because your brain isn't 'wired that way'.

[Spectral]

Or it's as simple as attractiveness being a self-image thing, and that professional ethics require not making your workplace hostile by sexually harassing female coworkers.

If your place of employment doesn't have rules against coworkers dating, there's nothing "harassy" about asking a colleague out for drinks. It's when you don't take a "no" for an answer and keep pushing that it becomes a problem.

As I said in an earlier post; makeup is in the same category as wearing a nice suit or trimming/shaving your facial hair or getting a nice haircut. We ALL do this stuff. It's not just women.

I don't disagree with the specifics you write above, but I think it's a motte-and-bailey situation - there's an inherent tension between everyone trying to be attractive and creating zero-tolerance policies that put undue weight on claims of harassment that wouldn't meet any normal standard of evidence. Yes, almost everyone agrees that "harassment" is a bad thing, but definitions of harassment have grown increasingly fuzzy and HR departments aren't inclined to take chances.

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Women don't wear makeup solely to attract sexual attraction. Women wear makeup because it is honestly expected by society that you do so. Young girls are taught to wear makeup at a young age. Female business professionals are taught that wearing makeup is part of looking polished in the workplace. Clothing, makeup and hair is culturally driven for the most part; women in CO and OR wear less makeup than women in large cities like NY and Chicago or places like Texas. When I lived in Arizona, nearly every woman I knew dyed her hair blonde.

This thread is basically a bunch of men talking about things they do not know anything about and are for some reason trying to police women's bodies. Is there a thread up from a female poster demanding men stop wearing beards because she finds them too sexually provocative?

This topic is stupid and this thread should be closed.

I already said:

The anti-makeup lunatics are really one of the weirder developments from red pill thinking.

I don't have a problem with people wearing makeup or doing anything to make themselves attractive.