Chronicle 3 how many continents pre sundering?

[Schattenlied]

You can say no it won't but guess what? The way the story is being written and driven is them saying. OH YES WE ARE.

Until they make more lore, as they always have.

[anaxie]

That's what I'm saying. They'll keep creating newer threats to keep the game going. If anything, WoD shows nothing is off limits in terms of where they'll go. They've said for years they'll keep making content as long as they have players.

WoD used draenor with a prior established map and MANY MANY notable locations and factions that have existed as far back as Wc1/Wc2
WoD used Garrosh a person they had to build up for 4 Expansions
WoD used Gul'dan who was feared even as an alternate character because who Gul'Dan was
WoD used Blackhand Primarily because of his place as a Villan in the Old story
WoD used Cho'gall and Teron Gorefiend in the capacity they didn instead of Gurthok the Bludgioner because they are notable characters with personalities.
WoD used Archimonde and destroyed archimonde entirely.

Now WoD also was driving by smaller things like the Sethrak whos story ended by the end of the expansion
Or stuff like the Botani and Gronn Whcih didnt go beyond any relevance in WoD.

[Soeroah]

Other planets are only "irrelevant" because we haven't been introduced to one that's relevant yet. You're confusing a lack of lore for meaning there can be no more lore. As has been stated multiple times, and as Blizzard has proven on multiple occasions, if they had an idea for a story, they will simply make new lore and then give us a new place to go to. Maybe it's a planet full of bad guys using the Light, or a planet infested with Death Lords, who knows? At one point the idea of Azeroth being a titan was a silly theory that people scoffed at being too much of a stretch, but look where we are now.

It's entirely possible the "Lich King" is in fact a Death version of a Void Lord, or Old God, or some similar creature of power, and the one we're fighting on Azeroth is simply this creature shackled to a set of armour working through various corpses to try to get a foothold on the world of Life. Odyn traded his eye to a "mysterious being from the Shadowlands" thousands of years ago so he could see into the realm of Death - so we know there is some powerful Death-aligned being with a Titan construct's eye able to see into the world of life. We also know the Legion is fond of binding souls to weapons, and the Nazrethim, being necromancers, could well have done that to the set of Lich King armour that Ner'zhul was then bound to. Ner'zhul, Arthas and Bolvar have all wound up being quite similar in personality after putting the helm of domination on, which implies "the Lich King" may be something above any of those three.

Is that likely to happen? No. But the point is if Blizzard want to justify another battle with the Scourge, they can tie parts of the story together like that to justify why the Lich King is suddenly a threat again, and there we go.

The Nazrethim WE KNOW OF are dead or banished, except Mal'ganis. As you yourself stated earlier, they only need a small reason to justify a large continent. Literally all we had about Pandaria before Mists was a single character, but out of that we got titan lore, Mogu, Mantid, Jinyu, Hozen, Saurok and more. Out of "Zandalar" we're also getting Vulpera and Sethrak, two races we didn't know about before. Out of Kul Tiras we're getting information about the Drust, which may not be as big a deal, but they weren't in the lore before. All we really need is Mal'ganis finally making good on his vow to destroy us/the Lich King, and he could justify a dreadlord themed expansion.

Magatha may not happen, but she could. We can't just discount characters Blizzard specifically brought back and gave a bit of extra story to in Legion because we think it's unlikely. The very fact she was brought back in Legion shows Blizzard hasn't forgotten about her - and the last we see her, she's next to a stone able to control elementals, with a new set of Elemental Lords quite closeby.

Hakkar isn't irrelevant, he's a blood loa, and we're going to fight blood trolls and blood gods. Honestly, it's shocking Blizzard aren't doing anything with him yet; there are only two explanations for that, being that they forgot, which is unlikely, or that they have other plans for him, which is odd, but could be the case if we're going to Zandalar.

Infinite Dragonflight, because of how time travel works, it doesn't matter Murozond was killed in Cataclysm; we could still deal with him in the future. Maybe our Nozdormu turns out to be Murozond and we deal with him going insane, and have to deal with the rise of the Infinite Dragonflight and keep them from reinforcing their past selves. Maybe it's an alternate Nozdormu. Who knows, it doesn't really matter; his life is non-linear, and they could very well justify having Murozond as an actual raid boss if they wanted, just as easily as they could let it lie.

[Sorrior]

Errors, Not retcons

Name a retcon

You are REALLY asking people tp name a retcon? Entire youtube videos have been dedicated to the number of retcons in the chronicles series. Blizz only follows rule if cool and if sonething conflicts they retcon. They have been doing this for decades now so i for one do not expect them to stop

[anaxie]

Until they make more lore, as they always have.

That leads into Prior established villans everytime

Except post BFA Every franchise villan EVER established will be dead.

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You are REALLY asking people tp name a retcon? Entire youtube videos have been dedicated to the number of retcons in the chronicles series. Blizz only follows rule if cool and if sonething conflicts they retcon. They have been doing this for decades now so i for one do not expect them to stop

so you aren't naming a chronicle V3 retcon? k

[Ringthane]

Im usuing the map and all established lore in the ENTIRE game WC1 - BFA

you know what we have now to support an expansion after the Void Lords who could just aswell be finale patch content considering Argus, Sargeras, and the Pantheon was patch content.

NOTHING

You mean the map where they shifted the Eastern Kingdoms quite a bit to the right to fit in a bunch of stuff that wasn't there before? The map they've made major changes to with every expansion?

That map?

[anaxie]

Other planets are only "irrelevant" because we haven't been introduced to one that's relevant yet. You're confusing a lack of lore for meaning there can be no more lore. As has been stated multiple times, and as Blizzard has proven on multiple occasions, if they had an idea for a story, they will simply make new lore and then give us a new place to go to. Maybe it's a planet full of bad guys using the Light, or a planet infested with Death Lords, who knows? At one point the idea of Azeroth being a titan was a silly theory that people scoffed at being too much of a stretch, but look where we are now.

It's entirely possible the "Lich King" is in fact a Death version of a Void Lord, or Old God, or some similar creature of power, and the one we're fighting on Azeroth is simply this creature shackled to a set of armour working through various corpses to try to get a foothold on the world of Life. Odyn traded his eye to a "mysterious being from the Shadowlands" thousands of years ago so he could see into the realm of Death - so we know there is some powerful Death-aligned being with a Titan construct's eye able to see into the world of life. We also know the Legion is fond of binding souls to weapons, and the Nazrethim, being necromancers, could well have done that to the set of Lich King armour that Ner'zhul was then bound to. Ner'zhul, Arthas and Bolvar have all wound up being quite similar in personality after putting the helm of domination on, which implies "the Lich King" may be something above any of those three.

Is that likely to happen? No. But the point is if Blizzard want to justify another battle with the Scourge, they can tie parts of the story together like that to justify why the Lich King is suddenly a threat again, and there we go.

The Nazrethim WE KNOW OF are dead or banished, except Mal'ganis. As you yourself stated earlier, they only need a small reason to justify a large continent. Literally all we had about Pandaria before Mists was a single character, but out of that we got titan lore, Mogu, Mantid, Jinyu, Hozen, Saurok and more. Out of "Zandalar" we're also getting Vulpera and Sethrak, two races we didn't know about before. Out of Kul Tiras we're getting information about the Drust, which may not be as big a deal, but they weren't in the lore before. All we really need is Mal'ganis finally making good on his vow to destroy us/the Lich King, and he could justify a dreadlord themed expansion.

Magatha may not happen, but she could. We can't just discount characters Blizzard specifically brought back and gave a bit of extra story to in Legion because we think it's unlikely. The very fact she was brought back in Legion shows Blizzard hasn't forgotten about her - and the last we see her, she's next to a stone able to control elementals, with a new set of Elemental Lords quite closeby.

Hakkar isn't irrelevant, he's a blood loa, and we're going to fight blood trolls and blood gods. Honestly, it's shocking Blizzard aren't doing anything with him yet; there are only two explanations for that, being that they forgot, which is unlikely, or that they have other plans for him, which is odd, but could be the case if we're going to Zandalar.

Infinite Dragonflight, because of how time travel works, it doesn't matter Murozond was killed in Cataclysm; we could still deal with him in the future. Maybe our Nozdormu turns out to be Murozond and we deal with him going insane, and have to deal with the rise of the Infinite Dragonflight and keep them from reinforcing their past selves. Maybe it's an alternate Nozdormu. Who knows, it doesn't really matter; his life is non-linear, and they could very well justify having Murozond as an actual raid boss if they wanted, just as easily as they could let it lie.

We don't deal with Murozond because Murozond will always go to the End time we go to the End Time in Cataclysm.

Thats where Murozond dies Must of been hard for you to follow.

oh dear Dreadlords are irrelevant nonsense you're not gonna see demons be a major threat in any capacity anymore. it's all Void and their allies from here on. But the Void has a great deal of Variety in the factions allied to it so it should be quite diverse.

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You mean the map where they shifted the Eastern Kingdoms quite a bit to the right to fit in a bunch of stuff that wasn't there before? The map they've made major changes to with every expansion?

That map?

look at the Chronicle map vs the ingame map they made the design choice to do push stuff further away instead of making a submap on azeroth because 2 clicks is okay but 3 clicks. NUH UH

The official LORE map still has the maelstrom at the dead center and the EK about Equal distance from the maelstrom as Kalimdor.

[Kathranis]

WHAT COULD 8.3 or 9.0 be if everyone is dead but Void Lords and Ethereals!

How about the moon? I floated this a while back, but for all we know it's just a big Titan facility housing Y'Shaarj's husk and a huge chunk of his domain of the Black Empire.

It's true that we're running out of established places to explore on Azeroth, especially if they're going to finish off Azshara without us even going to Nazjatar, but it's not like there isn't still stuff they can do on Azeroth, either, though it may require reusing (revisiting) existing continents.

Personally wouldn't mind to see an expansion centered around the dragonflights, which could bring in newly hatched dragonkin as Allied Races, dividing them between the two factions, along with Wildhammer and Dragonmaw joining up to lend their expertise on dragon hunting.


As for the Void, that's a whole new thing that they could expand and build up over the course of multiple expansions, the same way they did with the Legion. For all we know there are a bunch of different Void Lords with unique personalities, appearances, and their own armies, similar to the upper echelons of the Burning Legion.

Personally, I think it would be cool if when we finally do inadvertantly open the gate to allow the Void into reality, they introduce the Shadowlands (or the Voidlands or whatever you want to call it) as a sort of alternate Azeroth, along the lines of the Upside Down from Stranger Things, or the Eclipse from Berserk.

And then there's Bolvar and the Scourge up in Northrend. It's not like they haven't been seeding plot developments there throughout Legion.

And off-world, there's at least K'aresh, though I imagine it being not much more than a Mardum-style husk of a world.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You lack a coherant narrative

Sorry, but my narrative has been the same, the story will keep going for a long while. You did this shit before BFA was a thing.


Kathranis: You're right about the land of dead or whatever being called the Shadowlands. If we ever deal with it, it'll involve the Scourge in some manner.

[anaxie]

You mean the map where they shifted the Eastern Kingdoms quite a bit to the right to fit in a bunch of stuff that wasn't there before? The map they've made major changes to with every expansion?

That map?

You know what existsed before WoW vanilla existed?

Argus, Draenor, Outland, Eastern Kingdoms, Kalimdor, Northrend, Rumors of Pandaria, The Elemental Planes, The Broken Isles, Kul'Tiras, Zandalar

all this shit was inevitable

[Soeroah]

Im usuing the map and all established lore in the ENTIRE game WC1 - BFA

you know what we have now to support an expansion after the Void Lords who could just aswell be finale patch content considering Argus, Sargeras, and the Pantheon was patch content.

NOTHING

In Warcraft II we didn't know Kalimdor or Northrend existed.
In Wrath we had no idea Uldum was an actual zone, because it was "under a titan cloaking device".
In Cataclysm we had no reason to believe Pandaria existed, in the sense we didn't know Chen was supposed to be as canon as he turned out.
In WoD we had no reason to think the Broken Isles would be enough to justify an expansion. We thought they were all just islands raised from the ocean floor with the Tomb of Sargeras - until Blizzard retconned it and said only the Tomb was raised and lowered, the Isles have been above the water the whole time, also Suramar is a thing now, guys, it was under a bubble all this time.

Warcraft's history is full of Blizzard going "hey guys, what if" and making up new places for us to go to with relatively flimsy justifications for why we didn't know about it. There is no reason to believe they won't keep doing this unless you already think the game is ending, which you seem to, which people people been saying literally since Wrath of the Lich King, when "we beat the last major lore figure in Warcraft" we could reasonably expect to defeat. The problem here is you seem to have decided WoW is ending because we're "running out of lore", and you're insisting Blizzard aren't going to make any more lore because they're ending WoW. It's circular logic and it doesn't make sense.

Either they are ending WoW because they want to thus they won't make any more lore, or they are running our of lore so they are ending WoW. It can't be both. And given their track record, it's EXTREMELY unlikely to be the latter, because they've always made new lore at the drop of a hat, and it's unlikely to be the former, because despite not being their cash cow any more it's still far more popular than most MMOs, still profitable, and they've already said multiple times they have no plans to stop producing content until people stop playing, and the game can survive on a million subscribers, or less, based on other MMOs.

[anaxie]

Sorry, but my narrative has been the same, the story will keep going for a long while. You did this shit before BFA was a thing.

name when i did. Pre BFA i said this would be the last expansion and who did i say it would feature and where. looks like the prophecy has come true.
And unless they build up a noteable villan which BFA currently is NOT doing then guess whats left when N'zoth dies and could easily be 8.3 content. VL

[Kathranis]

Void lords dont matter much its just a new head above the heads of an organization we have been fighting as long as the franchise existed

Right. The fight against the Burning Legion spanned three RTS games and two expansion of WoW. So what makes you think they would introduce and then end the threat of the Void in a single expansion, let alone a single patch?

[anaxie]

In Warcraft II we didn't know Kalimdor or Northrend existed.
In Wrath we had no idea Uldum was an actual zone, because it was "under a titan cloaking device".
In Cataclysm we had no reason to believe Pandaria existed.
In WoD we had no reason to think the Broken Isles would be enough to justify an expansion. We thought they were all just islands raised from the ocean floor with the Tomb of Sargeras - until Blizzard retconned it and said only the Tomb was raised and lowered, the Isles have been above the water the whole time, also Suramar is a thing now, guys, it was under a bubble all this time.

Warcraft's history is full of Blizzard going "hey guys, what if" and making up new places for us to go to with relatively flimsy justifications for why we didn't know about it. There is no reason to believe they won't keep doing this unless you already think the game is ending, which you seem to, which people people been saying literally since Wrath of the Lich King, when "we beat the last major lore figure in Warcraft" we could reasonably expect to defeat. The problem here is you seem to have decided WoW is ending because we're "running out of lore", and you're insisting Blizzard aren't going to make any more lore because they're ending WoW. It's circular logic and it doesn't make sense.

Either they are ending WoW because they want to thus they won't make any more lore, or they are running our of lore so they are ending WoW. It can't be both. And given their track record, it's EXTREMELY unlikely to be the latter, because they've always made new lore at the drop of a hat, and it's unlikely to be the former, because despite not being their cash cow any more it's still far more popular than most MMOs, still profitable, and they've already said multiple times they have no plans to stop producing content until people stop playing, and the game can survive on a million subscribers, or less, based on other MMOs.

Whats important is the NOW

What do we have NOW from EVERYTHING ever made that could push the story forward?

NOTHING

Everything has had a conclusion or is being mopped up in BFA. let that sink in while you keep talking about WC1 / 2 /3 and missing the point that went in and out of your head with a straight shot

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Right. The fight against the Burning Legion spanned three RTS games and two expansion of WoW. So what makes you think they would introduce and then end the threat of the Void in a single expansion, let alone a single patch?

because we have been fighting the Voiding Legion? You know the Forces of the Void Lords since the games inception.

Black Dragons, Naga, Twilight Cult, Elementals, Faceless, Old Gods, Dark Irons, Druids of Flame, Iron Dwarves, The Emerald Nightmare, Nether Ethereals, Mantids, Silithid,

This shit is all Void affiliated aka formerly known as old god affilation

[Soeroah]

We don't deal with Murozond because Murozond will always go to the End time we go to the End Time in Cataclysm.

Thats where Murozond dies Must of been hard for you to follow.

Lol, no. I can understand it being hard for other people to follow, though, I admittedly enjoy time travel a lot more than most people.

I'll try to make this simple by way of an hypothetical scenario for how we could have an expansion where Murozond is a threat.

1) Through whatever mechanism, Nozdormu goes insane and becomes Murozond in, say, three expansions.
2) The expansion deals with preventing the Infinites from altering history in an attempt to redo the Hour of Twilight, or some other goal.
3) We do the final raid, and beat Murozond to within an inch of his life.
4) Murozond, crazed and enraged, swears to stop us, and disappears into the past.
5) Murozond eventually winds up in the End Time and attempts to cause the original Hour of Twilight to happen, but our past selves defeat him, as he is still weakened by getting attacked by our future selves.

As I said, his timeline is non-linear. It's like Chromie. We've interacted with Chromie, what, six times now throughout WoW's run, but we could run into her next expansion and she has no memory of meeting us before, because this is the youngest Chromie we've met. Nodzormu in Cataclysm could have been 100,000 years old, Murozond could have been 200,000 years old, we could meet Murozond when he's 190,000 years old, long before he gets killed in Cataclysm. That's just how time travel works.

[anaxie]

How about the moon? I floated this a while back, but for all we know it's just a big Titan facility housing Y'Shaarj's husk and a huge chunk of his domain of the Black Empire.

It's true that we're running out of established places to explore on Azeroth, especially if they're going to finish off Azshara without us even going to Nazjatar, but it's not like there isn't still stuff they can do on Azeroth, either, though it may require reusing (revisiting) existing continents.

Personally wouldn't mind to see an expansion centered around the dragonflights, which could bring in newly hatched dragonkin as Allied Races, dividing them between the two factions, along with Wildhammer and Dragonmaw joining up to lend their expertise on dragon hunting.


As for the Void, that's a whole new thing that they could expand and build up over the course of multiple expansions, the same way they did with the Legion. For all we know there are a bunch of different Void Lords with unique personalities, appearances, and their own armies, similar to the upper echelons of the Burning Legion.

Personally, I think it would be cool if when we finally do inadvertantly open the gate to allow the Void into reality, they introduce the Shadowlands (or the Voidlands or whatever you want to call it) as a sort of alternate Azeroth, along the lines of the Upside Down from Stranger Things, or the Eclipse from Berserk.

And then there's Bolvar and the Scourge up in Northrend. It's not like they haven't been seeding plot developments there throughout Legion.

And off-world, there's at least K'aresh, though I imagine it being not much more than a Mardum-style husk of a world.

Nazjatar is probably Azsharas raid which is 8.1
just like Nzoths raid may very well be Nyolotha

[Sorrior]

That leads into Prior established villans everytime

Except post BFA Every franchise villan EVER established will be dead.

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so you aren't naming a chronicle V3 retcon? k

Not read it and someone else already gave a MASSIVE list of retcons. That i noticed you conviently ignored.

[Soeroah]

Whats important is the NOW

What do we have NOW from EVERYTHING ever made that could push the story forward?

NOTHING

Everything has had a conclusion or is being mopped up in BFA. let that sink in while you keep talking about WC1 / 2 /3 and missing the point that went in and out of your head with a straight shot

I gave you a list of what we know going into BfA that represent unresolved storylines they could use. The fact you elected to ignore them because you're fixated on the idea the game is ending isn't MY problem, it's yours.

[Oneirophobia]

Can anyone tell me which page the reference to one continent is on? I can’t find it.

[anaxie]

Lol, no. I can understand it being hard for other people to follow, though, I admittedly enjoy time travel a lot more than most people.

I'll try to make this simple by way of an hypothetical scenario for how we could have an expansion where Murozond is a threat.

1) Through whatever mechanism, Nozdormu goes insane and becomes Murozond in, say, three expansions.
2) The expansion deals with preventing the Infinites from altering history in an attempt to redo the Hour of Twilight, or some other goal.
3) We do the final raid, and beat Murozond to within an inch of his life.
4) Murozond, crazed and enraged, swears to stop us, and disappears into the past.
5) Murozond eventually winds up in the End Time and attempts to cause the original Hour of Twilight to happen, but our past selves defeat him, as he is still weakened by getting attacked by our future selves.

As I said, his timeline is non-linear. It's like Chromie. We've interacted with Chromie, what, six times now throughout WoW's run, but we could run into her next expansion and she has no memory of meeting us before, because this is the youngest Chromie we've met. Nodzormu in Cataclysm could have been 100,000 years old, Murozond could have been 200,000 years old, we could meet Murozond when he's 190,000 years old, long before he gets killed in Cataclysm. That's just how time travel works.

When Nozdorumu goes nuts He becomes Murozond

He travels to the endtime and creates the infinite the infinite harasses the timeline trying to prevent Nozdormu and everyone from doing anything until they travel to the End Time to destroy him and the cycle repeats.

Thats how the story goes.

Murozond yells: You know not what you have done. Aman'Thul... What I... have... seen...
Nozdormu says: At last it has come to pass. The moment of my demise. The loop is closed. My future self will cause no more harm.
Nozdormu says: Still, in time, I will... fall to madness. And you, heroes... will vanquish me. The cycle will repeat. So it goes.
Nozdormu says: What matters is that Azeroth did not fall; that we survived to fight another day.
Nozdormu turns away from where Murozond died and looks up at the Hourglass of Time.
Nozdormu says: All that matters... is this moment.

Murozond will ALWAYS die at the End Time
not by us. but by a past you. Youve already done it.