The elephant in the room: Prostitution

[Deleted]

Okay, I think it's time for a global (or at least 1st world and 2nd world) offensive against anti-prostitution laws, but especially in the US that's supposed to be "land of the free".

This isn't a partisan issue. For far too long pro-prostitution advocates have been too nice about it. For far too long pro-prostitution advocates have had to endure hypocrisy from both the left and the right.

What do I mean by this?

Now some European countries and 1 US state kinda got it right. (Some more than others.) There are countries like Germany where it's legal, in Nevada it's legal (even if that state over-regulates it). Some other countries like Romania have it illegal but don't pursue it in practice or the punishment is a fine (literally on the level of speeding and only if it's done in public which isn't that common anymore).


Leftists have claimed since the 60's that they are for a "sexual revolution", "you should make love nor war", "being a prude is bad" etc. Yet recently they act like total prudes, not even wanting men to have their "sexy" video games, let alone pay for sex. Everywhere feminists have power, the customer is punished.

Rightists claim to be against government coercion except for the initiation of force, which is completely absent in voluntary adult prostitution.

Enough. Time to repeal these dumb laws and if they won't be repealed it's time to ignore them and do it very loudly. The government has no right to legislate private behavior between consenting adults that impact nobody.

A little reminder to people in the US: JURY NULLIFICATION. You can decline to find someone guilty regardless of what the evidence says. Use that right every single time, even if it means a deadlocked jury for days and a mistrial and people getting angry cause they can't go home faster. If enough people do it, they'll get the message and once enough scummy prosecutors lose enough cases they will give up bringing such cases to trial (and people won't take shakedown pleas if they know there's a good chance they'll be at least one rogue juryman leading to mistrial every time).

If you get arrested never ever co-operate. Never say anything. Always get a lawyer. If you have money too burn, file lawsuits against every arresting officer personally (not just their department) even if you can't win. It will waste their own money hiring a lawyer and they'll make them think twice before conducting stings rather than going after real criminals.

If you get fined, never pay the fine, give all your belongings to your kids/relatives so there is nothing they can foreclose. If you get arrested go on a hunger strike.

We should also organize a letter writing campaign. If say 100k people of us all decide to say, solicit an entire police department's staff for sex, it will be impossible to put us all in jail.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

i think it should be legal even if i'm not fond of it if. for no other reason then making it regulated would help not spread std's and keep venerable people out.

[Deleted]

i think it should be legal even if i'm not fond of it if. for no other reason then making it regulated would help not spread std's and keep venerable people out.

True but those in favor of it need to get more aggressive.

Not in a physical way I mean, just tactic wise. Writing on a forum just isn't enough anymore and both the left and the right ignore this.

[Kapadons]

Just bring a video camera. Perfectly legal to pay someone for sex as long as you photograph or record it ... perfect loop hole with no need to fight a law change.

[Spalding]

Dont see any problem with it tbh

[Deleted]

Just bring a video camera. Perfectly legal to pay someone for sex as long as you photograph or record it ... perfect loop hole with no need to fight a law change.

That works too.

But you have to be at least somewhat credible about it and at least pretend to be selling the tape.

Starting a porn business with a website that operates at a loss (kept afloat with your own money, 0 customers) would be a way.

[jimboa24]

Okay, I think it's time for a global (or at least 1st world and 2nd world) offensive against anti-prostitution laws, but especially in the US that's supposed to be "land of the free".

This isn't a partisan issue. For far too long pro-prostitution advocates have been too nice about it. For far too long pro-prostitution advocates have had to endure hypocrisy from both the left and the right.

What do I mean by this?

Now some European countries and 1 US state kinda got it right. (Some more than others.) There are countries like Germany where it's legal, in Nevada it's legal (even if that state over-regulates it). Some other countries like Romania have it illegal but don't pursue it in practice or the punishment is a fine (literally on the level of speeding and only if it's done in public which isn't that common anymore).


Leftists have claimed since the 60's that they are for a "sexual revolution", "you should make love nor war", "being a prude is bad" etc. Yet recently they act like total prudes, not even wanting men to have their "sexy" video games, let alone pay for sex. Everywhere feminists have power, the customer is punished.

Rightists claim to be against government coercion except for the initiation of force, which is completely absent in voluntary adult prostitution.

Enough. Time to repeal these dumb laws and if they won't be repealed it's time to ignore them and do it very loudly. The government has no right to legislate private behavior between consenting adults that impact nobody.

A little reminder to people in the US: JURY NULLIFICATION. You can decline to find someone guilty regardless of what the evidence says. Use that right every single time, even if it means a deadlocked jury for days and a mistrial and people getting angry cause they can't go home faster. If enough people do it, they'll get the message and once enough scummy prosecutors lose enough cases they will give up bringing such cases to trial (and people won't take shakedown pleas if they know there's a good chance they'll be at least one rogue juryman leading to mistrial every time).

If you get arrested never ever co-operate. Never say anything. Always get a lawyer. If you have money too burn, file lawsuits against every arresting officer personally (not just their department) even if you can't win. It will waste their own money hiring a lawyer and they'll make them think twice before conducting stings rather than going after real criminals.

If you get fined, never pay the fine, give all your belongings to your kids/relatives so there is nothing they can foreclose. If you get arrested go on a hunger strike.

We should also organize a letter writing campaign. If say 100k people of us all decide to say, solicit an entire police department's staff for sex, it will be impossible to put us all in jail.

Better idea: just campaign to change your state's laws. Like the pot-heads did for weed. And as for your last few paragraphs, no one cares enough to burn their own life to the ground over a prostitution charge, sorry. We're not all zealots like you. All that what you call for would accomplish is destroying one's own life and do nothing to change the law.

If you want to take action that will actually make changes, then do it like the pot smokers are doing and enact change one state at a time.

[MrLachyG]

I've never slept with a prostitute but why would there be an elephant in the room? is that a religious thing?

[Azadina]

True but those in favor of it need to get more aggressive.

Not in a physical way I mean, just tactic wise. Writing on a forum just isn't enough anymore and both the left and the right ignore this.

Would you be personally willing to do what you advocated?

[Deleted]

Better idea: just campaign to change your state's laws. Like the pot-heads did for weed. And as for your last few paragraphs, no one cares enough to burn their own life to the ground over a prostitution charge, sorry. We're not all zealots like you. All that what you call for would accomplish is destroying one's own life and do nothing to change the law.

If you want to take action that will actually make changes, then do it like the pot smokers are doing and enact change one state at a time.

It won't burn anyone's life. It is literally impossible to bring charges against 100k people or similar numbers. Especially when many of them might not even be in the country and those countries are certainly not going to extradite someone over petty bullshit.

You overwhelm the system, it fails.

Also jury nullification 100% doesn't ruin anyone and it's perfectly feasible that out of 12 random people there are enough opposed to anti-prostitution laws. It only takes 1 stubborn juror for a mistrial.

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Would you be personally willing to do what you advocated?

Only if I knew an overwhelming number of people would do the same and write similar letters too.

Or if I was old/had terminal cancer.

You can guess why.

And it may seem impossible, but similar things have happened before, like the time people all decided to draw Mohammed to make a point that you can't censor them all.

[yetgdhfgh]

Prostitution should be legalised and heavily and i do mean heavily regulated so we can crush the shitty pimps who own and even brand these young girls.

No john wants to have sex with a slave girl who is under duress for fear of violence and there is plenty of girls who genuinely love sex and love charging men for sex.

If sex work was legalised for both Woman and Men then we can weed out the sex slaves and we can make sure all sex workers take regular health checkups and to make sure they are they because they want to be there.

Now sure some woman do sex work because of money and thats life its no different then me doing work i dont like for money.

There is no perfect solution to this but just like drug use i believe in a harm reduction strategy instead of a unworkable prohibition strategy that has never worked in the history of ever!

[Jakexe]

It is legal here and I've worked in the industry as security. It's a seedy industry at the best of times but in my experience the more heavily it's regulated the safer it becomes for all involved.

[Azadina]

Only if I knew an overwhelming number of people would do the same and write similar letters too.

Or if I was old/had terminal cancer.

You can guess why.

And it may seem impossible, but similar things have happened before, like the time people all decided to draw Mohammed to make a point that you can't censor them all.

I can guess why, yes. But you know what needs to happen to get a lot of people to follow? One must lead by example. I'm just curious on whether you'd be willing to martyr for your cause, or are we just doing the forum talk (which you deemed not good enough) until you find someone willing to do it for you?

[jimboa24]

It won't burn anyone's life. It is literally impossible to bring charges against 100k people or similar numbers. Especially when many of them might not even be in the country and those countries are certainly not going to extradite someone over petty bullshit.

You overwhelm the system, it fails.

Also jury nullification 100% doesn't ruin anyone and it's perfectly feasible that out of 12 random people there are enough opposed to anti-prostitution laws. It only takes 1 stubborn juror for a mistrial.

Right, tell that to all the drug addicts that are in our prison system. Keep taking those drugs, people. You're going to force the government to stop enforcing drug laws any day now!

And what the fuck are you taking about people from other countries? Most people who hire prostitutes are local. No one comes to the United States specifically to hire prostitutes, so your argument about extradition is...really, beyond fucking stupid. Or are you saying that people should all hire prostitutes, then get caught and flee the country? You are an idiot if that is the case. No one is going to burn their life to cinders like that over prostitution, and even if they were, that's not how you change the law.

Sorry to burst your childish, edgelord bubble, but you get laws changed through politics and campaigning, and it takes a long time and a lot of effort. You don't get to demand the government change by throwing a tantrum and acting like a spoiled, bratty child like you are encouraging.

[Deleted]

It is legal here and I've worked in the industry as security. It's a seedy industry at the best of times but in my experience the more heavily it's regulated the safer it becomes for all involved.

It's even safer 1 on 1.

Plenty of independent escorts do fine.

Personally, I think pimps are obsolete with the Internet now. There is no reason to have middlemen for the most part.

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Right, tell that to all the drug addicts that are in our prison system. Keep taking those drugs, people. You're going to force the government to stop enforcing drug laws any day now!

And what the fuck are you taking about people from other countries? Most people who hire prostitutes are local. No one comes to the United States specifically to hire prostitutes, so your argument about extradition is...really, beyond fucking stupid. Or are you saying that people should all hire prostitutes, then get caught and flee the country? You are an idiot if that is the case. No one is going to burn their life to cinders like that over prostitution, and even if they were, that's not how you change the law.

Sorry to burst your childish, edgelord bubble, but you get laws changed through politics and campaigning, and it takes a long time and a lot of effort. You don't get to demand the government change by throwing a tantrum and acting like a spoiled, bratty child like you are encouraging.

Yeah, no... There are many drug users in prison sure. Most of them from separate incidents.

There has NEVER been one incident where 100k drug users were involved and all arrested. If 100k potheads all decided to smoke pot defiantly, MAYBE special forces would be called to disperse the crowd, VERY FEW would face charges if any. It's a nightmare to round up 100k people all the same time, can you imagine?

No, I'm saying I would like to see an overwhelming number of people all at the same time write a letter to their police department with something along the lines of "I offer you 100$ for 30 minutes of sex."

And if they're from another country even better because it makes it almost impossible to do anything about it.

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Btw, it's really amazing that people think civil disobedience has never accomplished anything.

There's plenty of examples

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exampl...#United_States

[Seranthor]

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You have sex with prostitutes with an elephant in the room? That sounds really kinky, but if that's what helps you then who are we to judge?

[yetgdhfgh]

You have sex with prostitutes with an elephant in the room? That sounds really kinky, but if that's what helps you then who are we to judge?

Iam sure the Indian Maharajas did that so its most certainly a fetish if you want to act like a 16th century Indian Ruler

[Deleted]

I can guess why, yes. But you know what needs to happen to get a lot of people to follow? One must lead by example. I'm just curious on whether you'd be willing to martyr for your cause, or are we just doing the forum talk (which you deemed not good enough) until you find someone willing to do it for you?

As I said, pro-prostitution advocates should do it together, no martyrs, no suicide tasks.

That said, if this doesn't happen in my lifetime, I'm willing to take that risk once I'm close enough to death to escape any possible consequences.

Now realistically speaking, if someone does take the first step, he would need a huge ass organization backing him up with many followers. Or at least a large YT channel like Thunderf00t had. I have neither of those.

[Schmeebs]

The only people with strong opinions of prostitution are:

Beta males who cant get any, Feminists, Religious people.

I say just let things be and have them all kill each other over it.

[Masark]

Personally, I think pimps are obsolete with the Internet now. There is no reason to have middlemen for the most part.

Except your government is putting every effort into keeping them in business, claiming that it will prevent trafficking.