The Horde should be dark and brutal, not pansies

[Wilfire]

-The Forsaken are the only race currently doing things the "Horde" way: experimenting on live specimens, using chemical weapons and raising people into undeath, just like the original orc necrolytes.

-Orcs should go back to their roots. Juicing on any power source within immediate vicinity, building huge metal citadels and paving roads with the bones of their fallen foes.

-I want to see the Darkspears cannibalizing their victims in the heat of battle and practicing dark voodoo magics.

-Likewise, we need brutal Tauren like Magatha consorting with dark and mysterious powers instead of Baine getting high on his "peace pipe".

-The Blood Elves and the Nightborne are the descendants of the Highborne. They should go ham on fel magics now that the Legion is defeated. Opening portals to Legion worlds and forcing the remnants to fight for them.

-Gallywix should let go of his scruples and sell Azerite to the highest bidder.

Garrosh, Grom, Blackhand and Sylvanas, not Thrall and his hippie friends, okay? I'm tired of honorable fools like Saurfang being morally outraged whenever the Horde starts doing things the Horde way.

[EyelessCrow]

What I think is funny is you think there would actually be a Horde at that point...as if they would somehow all get along.

[HumbleDuck]

Nope. Okey?

[Phuongvi]

Yeah and for the first time, let the evil one win the game,
We raid Stormwind and Anduin is the loot piñata

[Venziir]

-The Forsaken are the only race currently doing things the "Horde" way: experimenting on live specimens, using chemical weapons and raising people into undeath, just like the original orc necrolytes.

-Orcs should go back to their roots. Juicing on any power source within immediate vicinity, building huge metal citadels and paving roads with the bones of their fallen foes.

-I want to see the Darkspears cannibalizing their victims in the heat of battle and practicing dark voodoo magics.

-Likewise, we need brutal Tauren like Magatha consorting with dark and mysterious powers instead of Baine getting high on his "peace pipe".

-The Blood Elves and the Nightborne are the descendants of the Highborne. They should go ham on fel magics now that the Legion is defeated. Opening portals to Legion worlds and forcing the remnants to fight for them.

-Gallywix should let go of his scruples and sell Azerite to the highest bidder.

Garrosh, Grom, Blackhand and Sylvanas, not Thrall and his hippie friends, okay? I'm tired of honorable fools like Saurfang being morally outraged whenever the Horde starts doing things the Horde way.

So, flatout ignore everything from Wc3 to Wotlk... Oooooookay then!

[Meanshield]

The Horde and The Forsaken are two distinct factions. There should be differences. Hopefully Thrall will end up ending Sylvanas' reign sometime later in BFA and giving Saurfang, Baine or even Lorethemar the reigns.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

So they should be evil, instead of what they were in WC3, Classic, and BC. Got'cha.

[A Chozo]

Literally they shouldn't.

Every Orc, Tauren, Troll, Orc, Undead (the Forsaken died because of the Legion's cruelty), Elf and Goblin know the horrors of a war done with brutality. The Horde was made to survive the consequences of the darkness, not to perpetuate those ways.

[Super Kami Dende]

The funny part is, if the Horde remained as savage as they were, they would've been purged a long time ago.

[Amathricus]

-The Forsaken are the only race currently doing things the "Horde" way: experimenting on live specimens, using chemical weapons and raising people into undeath, just like the original orc necrolytes.

-Orcs should go back to their roots. Juicing on any power source within immediate vicinity, building huge metal citadels and paving roads with the bones of their fallen foes.

-I want to see the Darkspears cannibalizing their victims in the heat of battle and practicing dark voodoo magics.

-Likewise, we need brutal Tauren like Magatha consorting with dark and mysterious powers instead of Baine getting high on his "peace pipe".

-The Blood Elves and the Nightborne are the descendants of the Highborne. They should go ham on fel magics now that the Legion is defeated. Opening portals to Legion worlds and forcing the remnants to fight for them.

-Gallywix should let go of his scruples and sell Azerite to the highest bidder.

Garrosh, Grom, Blackhand and Sylvanas, not Thrall and his hippie friends, okay? I'm tired of honorable fools like Saurfang being morally outraged whenever the Horde starts doing things the Horde way.

Originally the orcs were not like that. They were nomadic and somewhat peaceful considering. They were not on conquests, none of that started until Sargeras seduced Ner'zhul and eventually Gul'dan who promised power and conquest to the mostly peaceful Orcs of Draenor. And if you'll recall, Garrosh was a whining maggot with Daddy issues when we find him in Outland during BC.

Baine is like is father, the Horde Tauren joined Thrall's Horde because it wasn't dark and full of battle for the sake of battle. It wasn't the Horde that formed under Gul'dan and Ner'zhul. That Horde was blood lusting because of the Pit Lord's blood they drank at the behest of Gul'dan under the influence of Sargeras.

I'm not saying I disagree the Horde should be less 'goodie goodie' like The Alliance tends to be, I'm only saying the Horde you envision is not the one WoW birthed. That Horde was in WC2.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

The funny part is, if the Horde remained as savage as they were, they would've been purged a long time ago.

Heck if they remained as brutal as they were pre-WC3 then they'd have sided with the Legion at Mt. Hyjal.

[czarek]

Umm Orcs naturally are not savage and brutal. They lived pretty much cozy in Outlands until Gul`Dans taste the dark side and make them bad.

[Dellis0991]

........???? so you want orcs to be Sargeras's lil green bitches again? You want the Darkspears to fuck around with magics that fucked them up again? Pointy ear crackheads? and evil cows?

[ATZenith]

No. They should be how they were written, give a bad hand, but not savage and evil. Death knights are the dark and savage ones. At least in the current story post Arthas.

[Deleted]

Both faction should be dark if Blizzard actually wants an interesting story. Let Alliance destroy Quel'thalas and Sunwell which in turn causes the elves to wither again. Let them destroy Suramar to show what happens to traitors. But we won't get anything like that. In the end we will unite to fight some big evil something and everyone will forget that the war ever happened, which will make Alliance look like naive retards and Horde like schizophrenic idiots.

[Steampunkette]

The Horde should be about Survival, with issues undermining that identity based on old hatreds that foment further warfare.

The Alliance should be about Nobility, with issues undermining that identity based on old hatreds that foment further warfare.

Both sides should have evil in them, both sides should have good. And both sides should have internal strife that causes crises in their identities and conflicts against the other.

Because that makes for cool, if complex, storytelling.

[Daedius]

Go write a fan fic, disregarding many things, OP.

[SpellCleave]

-The Forsaken are the only race currently doing things the "Horde" way: experimenting on live specimens, using chemical weapons and raising people into undeath, just like the original orc necrolytes.

-Orcs should go back to their roots. Juicing on any power source within immediate vicinity, building huge metal citadels and paving roads with the bones of their fallen foes.

-I want to see the Darkspears cannibalizing their victims in the heat of battle and practicing dark voodoo magics.

-Likewise, we need brutal Tauren like Magatha consorting with dark and mysterious powers instead of Baine getting high on his "peace pipe".

-The Blood Elves and the Nightborne are the descendants of the Highborne. They should go ham on fel magics now that the Legion is defeated. Opening portals to Legion worlds and forcing the remnants to fight for them.

-Gallywix should let go of his scruples and sell Azerite to the highest bidder.

Garrosh, Grom, Blackhand and Sylvanas, not Thrall and his hippie friends, okay? I'm tired of honorable fools like Saurfang being morally outraged whenever the Horde starts doing things the Horde way.

Well sheesh. Glad I'm switching to ally for both Classic and BFA.

[Sunderella]

-The Forsaken are the only race currently doing things the "Horde" way: experimenting on live specimens, using chemical weapons and raising people into undeath, just like the original orc necrolytes.

none of that is the Horde way

Orcs should go back to their roots. Juicing on any power source within immediate vicinity, building huge metal citadels and paving roads with the bones of their fallen foes.

Traditionally, Orcs were warriors and shamans. Fel and necro stuff came with their corruption.

I want to see the Darkspears cannibalizing their victims in the heat of battle and practicing dark voodoo magics.

ok

Likewise, we need brutal Tauren like Magatha consorting with dark and mysterious powers instead of Baine getting high on his "peace pipe"

No thanks. Magatha is reponsible for the death of Caine who was a true leader and founding member of the new Horde. Also I dont think Tauren were ever violent, warmongering or brutal people.

-The Blood Elves and the Nightborne are the descendants of the Highborne. They should go ham on fel magics now that the Legion is defeated. Opening portals to Legion worlds and forcing the remnants to fight for them.

Highborne were Arcane magic users not fel and so are Blood Elves and Nightborne. Also, the "remnants" of the Legion? I dont think you are aware of how vast those remnants are.

-Gallywix should let go of his scruples and sell Azerite to the highest bidder.

Why would he? Is in the Horde and supports the Horde war effort. Obviously hes getting something in return be it gold, security, b*tches or whatever.

Garrosh, Grom, Blackhand and Sylvanas, not Thrall and his hippie friends, okay? I'm tired of honorable fools like Saurfang being morally outraged whenever the Horde starts doing things the Horde way.

You can be brutal and savage while being honorable. Just like Garrosh was in Cata. Saurfang is ok be he needs to act more but unfortunately he stumbled upon blizz writing.

I would like to see a strong and united Horde once again but man, those are some terrible ideas :S

[yjmark]

The Horde and The Forsaken are two distinct factions. There should be differences. Hopefully Thrall will end up ending Sylvanas' reign sometime later in BFA and giving Saurfang, Baine or even Lorethemar the reigns.

WOW! Could you imagine if the Forsaken broke off from the Horde and started their own faction? Maybe bringing some or the existing Horde and Alliance races over with them. oooooooooo - that would be pretty wild!