Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Rennadrel]

I don't think LotR and the the rest of Tolkien's work was only popular because black people were excluded.

They aren't actually excluded since the people of Far Harad existed. The issue is more that their story isn't very interesting in the Second Age and in the Third Age they are enemies. But I think the story of the Harradrim's fall due to their subjugation by the Numenorians during the Second Age is a story they could have told that fits their checkboxes without attempting to change Tolkien's existing culture groups as he depicted them. But I get why they aren't doing that, they are trying very hard to get people with nostalgia, rather than just trying to do something unique within the existing universe which would be creatively more interesting.

[Shadowferal]

Many Noldor, including Galadriel, followed Fëanor because they wanted to rule over kingdoms of their own, far from the autority of the Valar.

No. You're making shit up.. Galadriel abandoned Feanor to follow Fingolfin after Feanor burned their only way back home, the Teleri ships they took by force.

I don't think LotR and the the rest of Tolkien's work was only popular because black people were excluded.

I never said that.

[Toppy]

No. You're making shit up.. Galadriel abandoned Feanor to follow Fingolfin after Feanor burned their only way back home, the Teleri ships they took by force. I never said that.

We've kinda hit the point that anyone disagreeing with the direction of the show is just autoamtically some level of racist.

[Tuor]

I'm not buying into the "elven ambition" shtick. That's was Númenor's downfall. Elves revered the Valar and such ambition would seem distasteful. The closest to that sort of feeling is reflected in their skills and crafts. The best smiths...the best warriors, and the ego that came with it.

The guy wielding the sword is actually a man, not an elf, his name his Tuor son of Huor... But yes, he is using an elvish forged armour and sword.

[Shadowferal]

The guy wielding the sword is actually a man, not an elf, his name his Tuor son of Huor... But yes, he is using an elvish forged armour and sword.

*nods
I just liked the pic

[Frontenac]

The source material was/is popular for reasons. Changing that material means it has no more reason to be popular.

I really doubt the skin colour of some characters is one of these reasons...

When I read The Lord of the Rings for the first time, I imagined Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth as spanish or arab like. Some people of South Gondor are described with tanned skins, and the name "Imrahil" sounded arab or mediterranean to me. I figured that Dol Amroth could be the Spain of Gondor. So Imrahil had a tanned skin and spoke with a spanish accent. And he remained that way in my other readings. Did that change anything to the story? Nothing at all

I mean, in Tolkien's mind, the Dwarves were meant to be Semitic and even Jewish: a dispossessed, nomadic people, wonderful craftsmen, industrious but greedy, bearded, living under prejudice, keeping their language to themselves... Tolkien played all the stereotypes and gave them a language, Khuzdul, influenced by Hebrew. And yet everyone is depicting them as Scots... Does it change anything to the story? Nothing at all.

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No. You're making shit up.. Galadriel abandoned Feanor to follow Fingolfin after Feanor burned their only way back home, the Teleri ships they took by force.

Okay, if you want to split hairs in four... Galadriel did follow Fingolfin who followed Fëanor. It remains that she agreed with the rebellion and went to Middle Earth because she wanted to rule over kingdoms of her own. She could have returned to Tirion with her repentant father.

[Shadowferal]

It remains that she agreed with the rebellion and went to Middle Earth because she wanted to rule over kingdoms of her own.

Again that's making shit up. She was already royalty and powerful.

[Frontenac]

Again that's making shit up. She was already royalty and powerful.

Listen, it's in the books. She was "royalty", but the Noldor were not lords in Aman. The Valar were. The Noldor rebelled against them. Galadriel rebelled against them too.

But Galadriel, the only woman of the Noldor to stand that day tall and valiant among the contending princes, was eager to be gone. No oaths she swore, but the words of Fëanor concerning Middle-earth had kindled in her heart, for she yearned to see the wide unguarded lands and to rule there a realm at her own will.

[Xath]

Shaft has always been a black man. Tied up with thatwhole mod scene in the early 70s that devolved into "blaxploitation."

I'm aware my point was for characters in general.

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lets try this again, as a basic rule as long as the character’s story isn’t tied to there race.

I couldn't care less about character Descriptions unless they tie into the story of the character.

Let's try this again. I do. Regardless of what the skin color is I do care whether it stays true to the characters as described just like I got annoyed at the ancient one getting white washed in dr. strange.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Let's try this again. I do. Regardless of what the skin color is I do care whether it stays true to the characters as described just like I got annoyed at the ancient one getting white washed in dr. strange.

Sure good for you, I don't hold the same stance.

back to shaft, I don't know anything about him but if his still color isn't a key part of his story I couldn't care less if they changed his race as the only thing that matters to me is the story of the characters and if you can stray from the description without changing the story its no problem.

[Rennadrel]

That's just this sub-forum in general, tbh. All the people whinging will still watch it, just so they can hate it harder lol Its pretty pathetic.

Advocating for a creators work to be disrespected is a pretty dumb hill to die on. That goes for all established characters whose creators aren't around to have a say in how their works are used.

[Syegfryed]

My problem is and always will be that its tokenism and marketting..

if they make an entire tribe, not much, because they just say its a re-image of said tribe

the way they are doing right now def is tokenism and marketing.

[druchii5]

It's here folks

Looks more like The Hobbit in terms of visual aesthetics--quite a lot of CGI. Still, I can't say I'm not psyched. Have my reservations though...

[Khaza-R]

It's here folks

Looks more like The Hobbit in terms of visual aesthetics--quite a lot of CGI. Still, I can't say I'm not psyched. Have my reservations though...

If its a mess, it will at least be a pretty (and very expensive) mess.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The trailer looks very bland.

[GratsDing45]

Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made - JRR Tolkien

[Rennadrel]

The trailer tells you nothing, it just looks lame.

[Nerovar]

Well, I certainly enjoyed the comments under that trailer more than the trailer itself. Wouldn't have recognized this as Lord of the Rings if it didn't say so in the title.

[Kyphael]

Argh, so it's a prequel? "Before the hobbit. Before the king." Like shit that happened back then was exciting. Should just market it as "before anything important happened." Unless it's the Silmarillion, I don't care about a prequel of Middle-Earth.

[Coniferous]

It looks good, but obviously still all about the writing... and I'm skeptical. There's very little evidence that tv writers can create a good fantasy plotline without books to guide them. "Galadriel, action hero" is a hard no for me.

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Argh, so it's a prequel? "Before the hobbit. Before the king." Like shit that happened back then was exciting. Should just market it as "before anything important happened." Unless it's the Silmarillion, I don't care about a prequel of Middle-Earth.

Series on Silmarillion could be real good. Lots of big plot to chew through.