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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    This really isn’t how any thing works.

    I had trouble reading of mice and men as a kid but when I grew as a reader I didn’t go back to it in some ego driven act of one upping a book I moved on to better and more complex story’s instead and never looked bad because why would I.
    i'm sorry but i fail to see what any of that has to do with the price of cheese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    yes, because even as a child at the time, i still knew that there was a vast difference in what i was reading as part of my school work, and what i was watching in the form of these epic long movies, it's well documented that the films have some fairly egregious changes made to them in order to make the screenplay work and the overall story work for a film type setting, but here's the thing: the movies keep so much original lore and source material intact and pay homage to that source material in many different ways, some obvious and in your face, some more nuanced and niche, but the foundation is there and as someone who knows the works well i could and still do accept some of the changes years later as they are not all encompassing of the movies, they are not the focal point of the movies whereas with this steaming pile of shite show, everything they have changed is THE ENTIRE POINT of the show, trying to score brownie points with people like you who have zero moral compass and are more than happy to pervert previously established works using racist and sexist policies, using terms to describe critics that should only be used to describe some of the most heinous members of society thereby neutering the definitions of the words used because you use them so flippantly and without regards for anything, and frankly it's so mind blowing to me how idiotic you are presenting your viewpoint honestly believing yourself to be right when that's delusional.
    How gracious of you to accept some "fairly egregious changes" to the lore you claim to care so much about for the sake of adaptability. Unless of course, it means casting a black actor as an elf/dwarf or making Gladriel a lead with room to actually develop as a functional character in the story. That's where we draw the line. We can't have the "woke activists" coming to ruin lil bro's favorite childhood movies. A real crime against humanity if there ever was one.



    Imagine spending enough time continuously throwing a fit over the casting of a black elf and female lead in a fantasy show to accumulate 144 posts in just this thread alone. It's not like you're bringing anything new to the table with any of your posts, either. It's the same boring drivel that anyone could easily hear from a random reactionary podcast or Youtube channel when a studio has the audacity to cast a female lead and black actors in a fantasy film. You don't even have the self-awareness to realize that you sound like you're reading from a script. Find a random criticism of Galadriel and replace her name with Rey Skywalker or Carol Danvers and it's functionally the same criticism you can find in the Marvel and Star Wars threads. Bad acting and writing and they're generally dislikable characters as a whole. Sound about right? Yet, you can never actually state in your own words what any of that means.

    That's what I tried to point out pages ago and you happily proved my point by trying to use nameless movie critics as justification for your supposed arguments. You couldn't even name these critics while making your fallacious dogshit arguments and told me to look them up on my own. That's not how any of this works. You're required to substantiate your opinions if you want to be taken seriously. Asking others to do the heavy lifting for you is just evidence that you can't actually think or make these arguments for yourself. You're just speaking in someone else's voice and doing so all in the name of bigotry. The best part is I barely had to do anything at all to get you to admit that being faithful to the story isn't your main interest here. But I'm the one with an agenda or rigid worldview? It's the woke activists making this political? Rogoth, my brother in Christ, look in the fucking mirror for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    How gracious of you to accept some "fairly egregious changes" to the lore you claim to care so much about for the sake of adaptability. Unless of course, it means casting a black actor as an elf/dwarf or making Gladriel a lead with room to actually develop as a functional character in the story. That's where we draw the line. We can't have the "woke activists" coming to ruin lil bro's favorite childhood movies. A real crime against humanity if there ever was one.



    Imagine spending enough time continuously throwing a fit over the casting of a black elf and female lead in a fantasy show to accumulate 144 posts in just this thread alone. It's not like you're bringing anything new to the table with any of your posts, either. It's the same boring drivel that anyone could easily hear from a random reactionary podcast or Youtube channel when a studio has the audacity to cast a female lead and black actors in a fantasy film. You don't even have the self-awareness to realize that you sound like you're reading from a script. Find a random criticism of Galadriel and replace her name with Rey Skywalker or Carol Danvers it's functionally the same criticism you can find in the Marvel and Star Wars threads. Bad acting and writing and they're generally dislikable characters as a whole. Sound about right? Yet, you can never actually state in your own words what any of that means.

    That's what I tried to point out pages ago and you happily proved my point by trying to use nameless movie critics as justification for your supposed arguments. You couldn't even name these critics while making your fallacious dogshit arguments and told me to look them up on my own. That's not how any of this works. You're required to substantiate your opinions if you want to be taken seriously. Asking others to do the heavy lifting for you is just evidence that you can't actually think or make these arguments for yourself. You're just speaking in someone else's voice and doing so all in the name of bigotry. The best part is I barely had to do anything at all to get you to admit that being faithful to the story isn't your main interest here. But I'm the one with an agenda or rigid worldview? It's the woke activists making this political? Rogoth, my brother in Christ, look in the fucking mirror for once.
    you're the one who brought up race, you're the one who asked a question that i answered in full that not only destroyed what little pathetic attempt you made to get a rise out of the person you were initially responding to, but it also undermines everything you are trying to argue, furthermore, i said i was accepting of the changes made for the movie trilogy because the changes weren't front and center the only things the movies were using as their foundation, unlike this entire dogshit show which is BUILT UPON the changes they have made, most of which are not only egregious, but factually wrong, they directly contradict established lore written in the books these clowns don't have legal rights to use, and attempt to rewrite said lore in order to make their pathetic and frankly amateurish story work (which it can't even do that correctly), so no, it's got nothing to do with 'the sake of adaptability' here, these are activists first, pushing 'the message' as often as allowed and 'artists' a far distant second and i use the term artists in the loosest and most lax way possible to escribe these failed writers as evidenced by the fact they had been screen writers for a decade and everything they wrote was thrown out and discarded as unsuitable or not up to standard, that should tell you something but apparently that sort of obvious red flag is brushed aside when dealing with sycophants like you who only view things one way and any others are 'patently evil' according to the latest media description of fans who criticise the show in any capacity.

    secondly, i wouldn't know about 'Rey skywalker' as i never watched past the first film that was made in this new star wars era, i haven't watched 'carol danvers' aka captain marvel, as acted by the one and only brie larsen who caused such a shitstorm in hollywood due to her bigoted and woke fiasco it required the head honcho of marvel mr kevin feige himself to run damage control to prevent things getting too out of hand, you know you messed up when the guy who sits at the head of the high table comes down to rectify the mess you made, so outside of that well publicised mess i have no frame of reference for her character either, so stop trying to put words in my mouth and try to lump me in with anyone who did criticise those productions, as for you thinking you even had a point to make in the first place, i have already named a few of the people who have criticised this show who are professionals in their field and who have shredded this show from the ground up, but apparently you lack the reading comprehension skills needed to find those named individuals in all my posts that you seem to want to post a counter for, for some unknown reason, and you then have the audacity to claim i don't add anything to the conversation?, are you living in opposite world or something because directly talking about things that are wrong with the show, breaking down why those things are wrong, and providing supplementary evidence from others to back up my point is exactly what i have done in this thread from the start, so unless you have some new technique that i'm not aware of that supersedes what i have been doing i would just love to know what that new world technique is so that i can employ it to make people like you understand when you're wrong.

    thirdly, i'm not required to do shit, seeing as i have already done it countless times already, it's not my fault nor is it my problem if you lack critical information because you're too lazy to bother researching things before commenting, that's a 'you' issue and has nothing whatsoever to do with me, if YOU want to be taken seriously then try at least come with a point that has even a remotely viable foundation instead of ad hominem failures like this above.

    lastly, everything in this show 'reflects what the world looks like today', meaning that by that very fucking definition it's a woke activist riddled political mess masquerading as something it's very obviously not, but i shouldn't poke fun too much at americans because of the bubble you live in, you are no longer able to recognise criticism and instead view it as being attacked personally, you are no longer able to make a show or movie without pandering to minorities which is in itself racist and bigoted, trying to score brownie points with said minorities in the hopes you get good PR, only in america does this sycophantism exist and it's bleeding out into the wider world which i find abhorrent, i have a lot of friends who are members of these minorities that corporate america is so desperately trying to pander to, and when i asked them about hollywood and the like trying to weaponise their minority status they said to me they hated it and felt like they were being belittled just so companies can make a cash grab and feel legitimised doing it, so yes, you do have an agenda and rigid world view when you can't even see the fucking forest for the trees.

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    "if you are fine with the changes form the trilogy and you are not fine with the changes in the series, you are a hypocrite" is the most bs argument people can make in favor of the shit show, as it treats things as binary, both have changes therefore they are the same is a weak fallacy, when this is far from the truth.

    Changes from the source material are not inherently bad, they can be necessary, they can be shit and some rare cases they can even be better, in the show the changes were garbage in a whole different level of the trilogy, the comparison is not even fair.

    And this isn't even about the change in the cast/races or whatever, its the changes in the Lore, awful changes.

    On that note, we are in what, episode 7, did anybody saw another Black elf or Elendil or whatever is his name is the ONLY one? i think i saw two dwarves besides Desa but im not sure either, if they are going to do anyway, they could have done a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    How gracious of you to accept some "fairly egregious changes" to the lore you claim to care so much about for the sake of adaptability. Unless of course, it means casting a black actor as an elf/dwarf or making Gladriel a lead with room to actually develop as a functional character in the story. That's where we draw the line. We can't have the "woke activists" coming to ruin lil bro's favorite childhood movies. A real crime against humanity if there ever was one.



    Imagine spending enough time continuously throwing a fit over the casting of a black elf and female lead in a fantasy show to accumulate 144 posts in just this thread alone. It's not like you're bringing anything new to the table with any of your posts, either. It's the same boring drivel that anyone could easily hear from a random reactionary podcast or Youtube channel when a studio has the audacity to cast a female lead and black actors in a fantasy film. You don't even have the self-awareness to realize that you sound like you're reading from a script. Find a random criticism of Galadriel and replace her name with Rey Skywalker or Carol Danvers and it's functionally the same criticism you can find in the Marvel and Star Wars threads. Bad acting and writing and they're generally dislikable characters as a whole. Sound about right? Yet, you can never actually state in your own words what any of that means.

    That's what I tried to point out pages ago and you happily proved my point by trying to use nameless movie critics as justification for your supposed arguments. You couldn't even name these critics while making your fallacious dogshit arguments and told me to look them up on my own. That's not how any of this works. You're required to substantiate your opinions if you want to be taken seriously. Asking others to do the heavy lifting for you is just evidence that you can't actually think or make these arguments for yourself. You're just speaking in someone else's voice and doing so all in the name of bigotry. The best part is I barely had to do anything at all to get you to admit that being faithful to the story isn't your main interest here. But I'm the one with an agenda or rigid worldview? It's the woke activists making this political? Rogoth, my brother in Christ, look in the fucking mirror for once.
    You might want to try actually reading my posts I know it's hard but I believe in you. You can do it. What I have said is that race is used as a shield to get people like you to defend massive changes that absolutely destroy canon because you haven't read the books and don't care about them. The primary example being the lack of any tragedy with regards to Tar Miriel. The massive condensing of time periods does an absolute dis-serivce to the story. The horrific treatment of Celeborn is also up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
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    This post is too much of a mess for me to make sense of. I don't usually go after people's grammar and writing skills because mine is far from perfect. But if you're going to make it a habit of attacking people's intelligence as means to try to win an argument, the least you can do is learn how to form coherent, complete sentences. I'm not being petty. It's seriously hard to read all that shit. I normally wouldn't even mention it but just look at your post history. This is how you respond to anyone who disagrees with your ramblings. You're just not equipped to have this discussion. It's a waste of time.

    There isn't much I care to say in response to any of that beyond what I've already said in other posts. I've said what I've had to say and don't see a point going any further when you routinely make shit up out of thin air like this:

    they directly contradict established lore written in the books these clowns don't have legal rights to use
    What? They purchased the rights directly from the Tolkien estate to make this series and they had veto power over the writing if they felt the writers were deviating too far from the themes in Tolkien's work. They specifically gave them their blessing to create and add things to the story. Come on man, what are we even talking about here? You're absolutely clueless about this series, aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    You might want to try actually reading my posts I know it's hard but I believe in you. You can do it. What I have said is that race is used as a shield to get people like you to defend massive changes that absolutely destroy canon because you haven't read the books and don't care about them. The primary example being the lack of any tragedy with regards to Tar Miriel. The massive condensing of time periods does an absolute dis-serivce to the story. The horrific treatment of Celeborn is also up there.
    If you're fine with Peter Jackson reducing the major themes of Lord of the Rings down to a trio of Hollywood action films then I see no reason to take your pearl-clutching about the changes in Rings of Power seriously. That's a cover for why you really dislike the series and you know it. Seriously, if you really just cared about the lore you'd leave it at that. It's your complete lack of transparency that started this discussion. We're talking about a series that has barely started. None us know what the final product will be. we haven't even seen a full season yet.


    You're also not the only person to read the books. Grow up.
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    Love the argument "we have only seen x/50 hours of the show, you can't criticize it!"

    Ok? At how many hours is it ok then? 20,30,35?
    The first season and hours of the show should really be used to capture the viewer. If it doesn't, there won't be people to watch the rest of it.
    This show survives solely on the LOTR name, it would probably be cancelled quick without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frn1 View Post
    Love the argument "we have only seen x/50 hours of the show, you can't criticize it!"

    Ok? At how many hours is it ok then? 20,30,35?
    The first season and hours of the show should really be used to capture the viewer. If it doesn't, there won't be people to watch the rest of it.
    This show survives solely on the LOTR name, it would probably be cancelled quick without it.
    Yeah its the same people say about many MMORPGs. "Just play the game for 500 hours and it will be worth it then". I find the show mediocre. It looks great and all that, but its.. empty? No soul? I dunno, it lacks something. It doesnt really grab me. The only reason im still watching it is because im a big LoTR fan. Read the books, loved the LOTR movies and all that. So guess im just watching out of the hope of it being good.

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    Watching Electrodriel walk around with UnwashedFace during the last episode was one the most excruciating things I've had to endure over this year.
    On the other hand, the insignificant queen going blind might mean we won't have to put up with her presence on screen any more, which is a good thing.
    Pity Inkwell didn't die, yet, though.

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    Also, harfoots are fucking hypocrites.
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    https://www.gamesradar.com/rings-of-...-of-the-rings/

    "We were really attracted to the idea of this relationship between a young woman who has her eye on the horizon, in that sort of archetypal Luke Skywalker way, and the horizon landing in her backyard," McKay said. "And maybe the horizon isn't all good. The negotiation and the friendship and the relationship that could come out of that, maybe it's dangerous. We talked about the Iron Giant, we talked about E.T., we talked about the Terminator.

    "We reckon that it's an emotionally satisfying and engaging story to tell regardless of the name of the person. And somewhere down the road, when the person maybe has a name, hopefully you don't even care anymore, because the relationship and the journey has been so engaging, that it's not a guessing game of who it is. It's about a story that you, no matter who he is, would be satisfying."
    Came across this. So either they have rewritten another character into something completely different so the name is irrelevant. Or it's a completely made up character and the story is supposed to carry it, which I mean... After 7 episodes we know he is confused, knows magic and looking for stars. So I'm not exactly holding my hopes up for it to be a satisfying story.

    It's seems that they are aware they aren't following the lore or stories or who the characters are by making this statement of "who he is doesn't matter, storytelling does". Which is kind of backpedalling their previous comments on how important it was for them to be faithful.



    It just dawned on me that we have only 1 episode left...
    Maybe my prediction of Halbrand making a devious-isch smile after he makes it known he can help Celebrimbor with either smithing or the towers, or something in line with that, as the season finale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    What? They purchased the rights directly from the Tolkien estate to make this series and they had veto power over the writing if they felt the writers were deviating too far from the themes in Tolkien's work. They specifically gave them their blessing to create and add things to the story. Come on man, what are we even talking about here? You're absolutely clueless about this series, aren't you?
    Mhm, I think you are the clueless one. They have the rights to the 3 movies and the books they are based on, plus the appendices. They specifically do not have the rights of the Simarillion, which is the the guide to the Second Age. That is the entire reason why they constantly have to make shit up.

    And seriously. They gave the Tolkien family millions for those rights. As if those folks would then care enough to actually veto all the changes that were made... especially since... just imagine what would have happened if the people had gone and vetoed the whole "reflection of the world we live in today" changes. Probably the militant woke crowd would have burned their houses down for being racist misogynists.

    The problem with this show and with some others like She-Hulk is that they know they can't write worth shit. So in an effort to create a shield against critics, they included completely unexplained diversity and changed beloved characters like Galadriel to reflect our current world and thus pissed off the people who actually care about the lore. Then they pointed at the Lore-nerds and called them racists for demanding that diversity be explained and rooted in the lore, creating the perfect defense against all critics. Because you do not have to answer to someone that you have declared a racist.

    And thanks to people like you, this strategy is working perfectly. If you critize She-Hulk, you are a misogynist, if you critize Rings, you are a racist and no matter how well founded the criticism is, no one is listening anymore. It is an obvious tactic on behalve of the showrunners, just why you are playing into their hands is beyond me.
    Do you think they need your moral support to feel better about themselves when they smoke the millions that they got for writing this catastrophe? Or do you - actually - think they care about diversity? Because that would just be sad. They are manipulating you openly and you are letting them.

    Now all this isn't to say that you cannot make a fantasy show with diversity, but you need to work it inside the lore. GoTh had a ton of actors with different skin colours, but they did not just throw those in where it made no sense. The actors were chosen based on the climate of the countries their characters came from. Hence why - to simplify - the North in general had white actors while the southern parts where it is hotter and the sun was shining more, darker complexions were common.

    This is logical and completely alright, no one had a problem with it.

    The problems start when a Dwarf that lives under a mountain, about as far removed from sunshine as is possible, has a dark complexion for no reason other then unexplained pandering to the woke crowd.
    If they truely were so oblivious that they did not see these issues coming, then they are idiots and should never have been given the job to write such a high stakes, high cost project. But I think they were fully aware of the problem that would arise. They just didn't care, since they never cared about writing a good show.
    They are blatantly getting rich from the climate created by Twitter and the woke movement in which you can get any low-quality garbage streamed to the world as long as you include enough feminism and diversity and if people don't like it, well, then they must be hating women and/or be racists.

    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    If you're fine with Peter Jackson reducing the major themes of Lord of the Rings down to a trio of Hollywood action films then I see no reason to take your pearl-clutching about the changes in Rings of Power seriously. That's a cover for why you really dislike the series and you know it. Seriously, if you really just cared about the lore you'd leave it at that. It's your complete lack of transparency that started this discussion. We're talking about a series that has barely started. None us know what the final product will be. we haven't even seen a full season yet.
    The difference is pretty simple. Jackson produced good movies and that makes minor changes to the lore forgivable, but that doesn't mean that people would not have prefered a more lore accurate story.
    The series however isn't good. If they had published it without the LoTR title then no one would have watched more then 1-2 episodes of this.

    Also, the series has barely started? uh... have you watched more then the first episode? Because we had almost 10 hours of screen time by now. Much much more then the usual series is affored before it is judged. It's almost as much screen time as the entire LoTR triology (expanded version).

    Take the Harley Quinn animated series. The entire first season was what? 3 hours total? And people loved it so much they immediatedly wanted more. Even when it was shortly canceled people clamoured to get more and so there now is more. That show is btw another excellent example of including diversity without replacing quality. The homosexual relationship of the main protagonists only ever served to enrich the story and thus there was little to no negative reaction to it.

    Have you read anyone eagerly awaiting the next season of Rings? I haven't. The most positive I hear is "Meh".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
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    It just dawned on me that we have only 1 episode left...
    Maybe my prediction of Halbrand making a devious-isch smile after he makes it known he can help Celebrimbor with either smithing or the towers, or something in line with that, as the season finale.
    I don't actually think that Halbrand is evil at this time. We heard Adar talk about Sauron wanting to heal Middleearth and this is where that character is at atm. When he failed, he just wanted out, but now Galadriel is dragging him back. He isn't a Dark Lord at the moment, he really wants to be good. Something will happen in the future that changes this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Find a random criticism of Galadriel and replace her name with Rey Skywalker or Carol Danvers and it's functionally the same criticism you can find in the Marvel and Star Wars threads. Bad acting and writing and they're generally dislikable characters as a whole. Sound about right? Yet, you can never actually state in your own words what any of that means.
    You do know why this is right?

    I mean you might not given the rest of your post, but I would think it's pretty obvious if you give it a few seconds of thought.



    I'll wait.


    Did you get it?


    No?


    Ok


    They are all the same character. The only way they know how to write female heros is to take the worst traits of men, package them into a female form. Whether it be Rey, Carol, Jen Walters or Galadriel, they are all the same character, played by different actresses doing their best impersonation of a generic male hero with what thye assume generic male hero traits are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress of Arrogance View Post
    Elecrodriel
    The fuck even is this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    This post is too much of a mess for me to make sense of. I don't usually go after people's grammar and writing skills because mine is far from perfect. But if you're going to make it a habit of attacking people's intelligence as means to try to win an argument, the least you can do is learn how to form coherent, complete sentences. I'm not being petty. It's seriously hard to read all that shit. I normally wouldn't even mention it but just look at your post history. This is how you respond to anyone who disagrees with your ramblings. You're just not equipped to have this discussion. It's a waste of time.

    There isn't much I care to say in response to any of that beyond what I've already said in other posts. I've said what I've had to say and don't see a point going any further when you routinely make shit up out of thin air like this:



    What? They purchased the rights directly from the Tolkien estate to make this series and they had veto power over the writing if they felt the writers were deviating too far from the themes in Tolkien's work. They specifically gave them their blessing to create and add things to the story. Come on man, what are we even talking about here? You're absolutely clueless about this series, aren't you?

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    If you're fine with Peter Jackson reducing the major themes of Lord of the Rings down to a trio of Hollywood action films then I see no reason to take your pearl-clutching about the changes in Rings of Power seriously. That's a cover for why you really dislike the series and you know it. Seriously, if you really just cared about the lore you'd leave it at that. It's your complete lack of transparency that started this discussion. We're talking about a series that has barely started. None us know what the final product will be. we haven't even seen a full season yet.


    You're also not the only person to read the books. Grow up.
    This series is going into it's final episode and the run time is over half that of lotr already with nothing done at all. Also no not a cover at all. However race is the only reason you care and that's been made abundantly obvious. The level of changes they have made are nearing the point of if Jackson's movies were literally them getting to Rivendell contacting the eagles and then end in tracking shot of am eagle dropping the ring into mount doom roll credits. If you had a single clue about the story you would realize why these changes are awful and I'm not talking about the ones you are obsessed with defending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Find a random criticism of Galadriel and replace her name with Rey Skywalker or Carol Danvers and it's functionally the same criticism you can find in the Marvel and Star Wars threads. Bad acting and writing and they're generally dislikable characters as a whole. Sound about right? Yet, you can never actually state in your own words what any of that means.
    ...ever thought that it's because those characters have that in common?

    Shit, I hear everyone complain about Rey. From redpillers to feminists. Seems to be the one thing everyone agrees on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    The fuck even is this.
    Electro drill = Electrodriel = sorry excuse for Galadriel we have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    ...ever thought that it's because those characters have that in common?

    Shit, I hear everyone complain about Rey. From redpillers to feminists. Seems to be the one thing everyone agrees on.
    Well, I've seen some very peculiar vaguely humane persons defending Rey in the She-Shrek thread.
    They even tried(and failed) to prove she's not a Mary Sue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress of Arrogance View Post
    Electro drill = Electrodriel = sorry excuse for Galadriel we have
    Can I have further explanation of this? Seen your nicknames and never understood them. Not saying they are wrong, just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Can I have further explanation of this? Seen your nicknames and never understood them. Not saying they are wrong, just curious.
    Sure.

    In my country, we have this famous film translator by the "Goblin" moniker. He is very proficient at translating movies in a certain, funny manner, and he coined Galadriel as "Electrodrill" when he made a funny-comedic translation of the LOTR trilogy, and this mockname really grew on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    They are all the same character. The only way they know how to write female heros is to take the worst traits of men, package them into a female form. Whether it be Rey, Carol, Jen Walters or Galadriel, they are all the same character, played by different actresses doing their best impersonation of a generic male hero with what thye assume generic male hero traits are.
    Jen Walters has deep insecurity issues and just wants to lead a normal life as a lawyer.

    Rey has trouble letting go of a fantasy of her Parants coming back and desperately reaches out for any connections to other people she can find to fill that void.

    Galadriel has an all consuming need for revenge that leads her to put her self and others at risk.

    Carol is all about breaking limits others have put on her.

    These characters aren’t any thing like each other’s in any meaningful way, they all have vastly different attributes goals and passions then each other.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniteCharger View Post
    If Tolkien were alive today the rights for a multi season television series based on the appendices would never have been floated to begin. Because it is literally giving a studio free reign to make up stories to fill time for hours of television. And if he was alive today, he may have finished the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales or perhaps other work to fill in the story of the second age as something for studios to potentially adapt separate from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings books.
    Tolkien rather explicitly stated that he intended for other people to expand on his works:

    "I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many others only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama."
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