Trying to find one of dendreks damn posts but cant.
With that said from some of his posts im almost certain Graeham is town or not mafia aligned.
Yeah, if Crissi is claiming vigi because of the poison thing, then lynch 'im to death.
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Vote: Kraykray
Lurker lynches is NOT a scum play. Kraykray is smart enough to know this. This feels like a "subtle" attempt to save a teammate and allow them to continue lurking.
Someone who is against fluffly votes should surely be okay with a lurker lynch. Feels scummy.
FoS: Marack
Feels scummy for similar reasons, but to a lesser extent than Kraykray.
FoS: Status
Again, still feels scummy to me for directing as much to GraeGrae as he did and he did specifically support Dendrek.
Being a hypocrite, I'm going to go ahead and pull a GraeGrae here and say:
Reinforce: GraeGrae
Because he feels townie to me. Maybe it's just confirmation bias because I always think he's town, but take it for what my word is worth.
While we're at it,
FoS: Crackle
Unfortunately, I have less of a reason to support my feeling for Crackle being scum, but so far, the known scum/scummy people have supported him pretty hard.
I might just be bad at this game so who knows.
It is and it isn't. If the lurker is town, it's definitely a scum play b/c that makes it an easy lynch to push. If the lurker is scum, then duh it's not. But I think this is one of the rare occasions where the lurker happened to be mafia. And it was BF too, who has never shown signs of being overly lurky in the past. I'm wondering if something big came up with him or if he's pulling some weird play. Like he bought the trait that lets you say something after you die and he wanted to guarantee he'd use it. That'd be a huge waste though honestly lolLurker lynches is NOT a scum play.
Damn Deca with the logics. That's a pretty tempting train for me to jump on. You can't deny you got caught looking both ways there, Krayzy.
What the hell is reinforce? Is that some sort of anti-FoS you guys came up with? Also I'm pretty sure BF does not have strong soul, we got to see his role card and it wasn't mentioned (Lora was mentioned in the daybreak post.
Nope. Just read the trait and figured since it took time to kill, was trying to figure out comp based on that since we had 3 deaths. Like, Ive been around enough that if you know someone has a kill power, they're gone past Day 1 so why would I be that stupid?
@Largehorn : Sorry that I'm more thorough than you when it comes to checking for lurkers. You start with time. If they're like you, then you use other stuff like amount of posts for their online time. Its just I was very surprised even at the time that someone would defend someone so hard and not check anything. Felt like a slip to me at the time.
@Marack, how has graeham's play style changed? I haven't really noticed it because he has always been very woe is me. Not that I trust him because he could easily be 2ndary scum.
I'm guessing something big came up. Fox hasn't ever been the type to see if he can get away with lurker, he's the type who likes to see if he can get away with saying unbelievable shit. <3
However, at least in my experience, D1 lurker lynches have always been considered a townish play, even if the lynched member is town. It's considered that, probably we were going to lynch a townie anyways (because 33%-66%) so it may as well be someone who wasn't going to contribute anyways. I think I should have been more clear and say "D1 lurker lynches is not a scum play" rather than what I did, because lurker lynches past D1 can very well be scum or town plays, depending on the dice and alignments, like you said.
I did consider taking strong soul (which lets you post after death) but that feels very strongly town and very weakly mafia to use. If I rolled mafia after getting that trait, I probably wouldn't even use it, because it'd be more likely to jeopardize my teammates than the town.
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I'm just mocking GraeGrae because I'm a terrible friend.
I like it, I accept it.
Lurker lynches are fine early because if they keep lurking and you get to endgame and they don't show up to vote you are screwed. It's unlikely scum go for people not posting...and the proof is in the results. All 3 kills on some of the top posters on day 1 SHAKING MY HEAD. I miss the good old days when we had a gentleman's agreement to night kill lurkers early on in the game *shakes fist at cloud and grumbles*
Well yeah, info is good for town, no info bad for town. Lurkers may as well be scum, for all they contribute. Why would scum kill what is basically their own team?
It might be a little bit the fault of how we play town as well. TRPs used to read pretty similarly as scum in that they lurked more than VTs. Scum had an incentive to kill lurkers because it might be a TPR.
I'm guessing Val, your dislike of me was based on my vote on you. My vote on you was based on two things, 1) Voting no-lynch. 2) I disliked the idea proposed of only having certain people bid on certain items, that still feels very much like giving scum free info.
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@Reticence, sorry for not answering your question about graeham/crackle earlier, no way to post at work and didn't have enough time before leaving.
I will admit to some dislike for Graeham simply for actions during d1. Not really feeling town vibes from him, the argument with him and crackle seems a touch more feigned upon reflection. Not sure if that's a case of trying to get some distance from a teammate or just trying to dig out of a self-made hole. The latter may be more likely.
Crackle I don't have enough of a feel for atm, about the only difference between crackle and graeham I have is that Crackle didn't threaten to quit. It's a flimsy qualifier but it's all I've got right now.
Yea, that’s why I was confused with why Robo was killed, I really didn’t see anything that stood out from him.
Dendrek was obvious toward the end, and Lora had a couple posts that I noticed but nothing really major.
I still don’t like how Crackle and Graeham interaction went, especially the quitting part. I could get behind a Kray pressure too as some of his posts rubbed me the wrong way.
Vote: Krayzy
Guess for me it was less a playstyle change and more a time change from him. I'll just go with I didn't like his "antics" D1 or his bitching about my D1 vote being on him, like it usually is D1.
I'm actually curious about his D1 reads and why he put me in his scum pile. It truly feels like he put low posters there by and nobody else.
You've played with me WAY too many times to know I'd be one of the first to bury a teammate of my own. I damn sure wouldn't defend an AFK teammate.
If you look at my posting over the weekend you'd see I was away for quite a bit of it. Away outside enjoying my holiday weekend.
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And how is lynching a lurker not an easy scum play?
We're all pretty sure there are two scum teams, right? With this many players and there being 3 deaths I'd be willing to bet there are. Why wouldn't the other mafia (or SK's) vote for that lynch? It's an easy play because voting on a lurker draws very little attention to people. If the player turns out to be a TPR nobody bothers to look twice at them because it was a policy lynch.
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I haven't looked in 5 or 6 years but can't you hide your logins? I'm pretty sure I did that in the past because everyone checked login times. That and back then we would always start day as soon as all night actions were in so catching scum became easier.
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Which posts?
Good logic on the kray votes, I'll see how it goes tho.
Maracks play was strange yesterday too and I wouldn't mind going on him.
Also got a bit of a gut feel on krylian but nothing big for now
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