"This game is too luck/rng dependent!!"

[Wvvtayy]

Gotta love the rose colored glasses on some people. Did the people who whine about bad luck even play in vanilla? You know, back when bosses dropped two pieces of loot each to split between 40 people? And sometimes you couldn't even use it for your raid due to shaman gear dropping for alliance or paladin gear dropping for horde? You could easily go months without getting a single piece of loot.

[Soon-TM]

But this is not Vanilla anymore, and it's been a long time since then. What is your point?

[zaino]

dear diary....

[Wvvtayy]

But this is not Vanilla anymore, and it's been a long time since then. What is your point?

The point is the issue with RNG that people bitch and whine and cry about constantly has been here since the beginning.

[Soon-TM]

The point is the issue with RNG that people bitch and whine and cry about constantly has been here since the beginning.

But soon after Vanilla (in BC, as a matter of fact) badges were introduced in order to counter bad streaks of RNG. Badges were expanded into the emblem/JP/VP system from WotLK onwards, which were all mechanics to counteract RNG. They worked fine for the most part, but all of a sudden they were ditched without any reasoning whatsoever.

[Laqweeta]

But soon after Vanilla (in BC, as a matter of fact) badges were introduced in order to counter bad streaks of RNG. Badges were expanded into the emblem/JP/VP system from WotLK onwards, which were all mechanics to counteract RNG. They worked fine for the most part, but all of a sudden they were ditched without any reasoning whatsoever.

They were taken away after MoP, right?

Yeah. MoP had rep requirements originally, then when ToT released you could get 489 without the reps etc.

So they had catchups that way, so you could guarantee a piece of gear instead of hoping for RNG.

So now you have to hope for RnG ever since MoP has ended, this ties in with MAUs in my opinion and is why it was removed.

[Soon-TM]

So they had catchups that way, so you could guarantee a piece of gear instead of hoping for RNG.

So now you have to hope for RnG ever since MoP has ended, this ties in with MAUs in my opinion and is why it was removed.

Indeed. And it's funny to see dem fanboiz defending this Diablo-esque system

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https://youtu.be/rog8ou-ZepE

[Deleted]

And sometimes you couldn't even use it for your raid due to shaman gear dropping for alliance or paladin gear dropping for horde?

Bullshit. Only happened during BC prepatch.

[Pickynerd]

Gotta get that TPM!

[anveena]

The point is the issue with RNG that people bitch and whine and cry about constantly has been here since the beginning.

Complaining that bosses don't drop enough loot for a given raid size isn't the same as complaining about titanforging and personal loot.

[gobio]

Complaining that bosses don't drop enough loot for a given raid size isn't the same as complaining about titanforging and personal loot.

Exactly, I don't understand why comparing to classic raid in the first place. And the OP thinks he just hit the jet pot of argument or something and his post will shut down all "whiners" once and for all. I was like WHAT????

Raid structure is totally different.
Raid size is totally different.
Loot drops is significantly higher, but most of them are useless to the raid and would ends up disenchanted.

The fact that raid farms MYTHIC just to hope for titan forged gear would tells the first poster something, but he is still probably thinking he is the new Ben Shapiro with his witty first post.

[Lochton]

Gotta love the rose colored glasses on some people. Did the people who whine about bad luck even play in vanilla? You know, back when bosses dropped two pieces of loot each to split between 40 people? And sometimes you couldn't even use it for your raid due to shaman gear dropping for alliance or paladin gear dropping for horde? You could easily go months without getting a single piece of loot.

Welcome to WoW, people complain about RNG in every expansion and some can't realize that they can't have everything they point at.

[Echocho]

Gotta love the rose colored glasses on some people. Did the people who whine about bad luck even play in vanilla? You know, back when bosses dropped two pieces of loot each to split between 40 people? And sometimes you couldn't even use it for your raid due to shaman gear dropping for alliance or paladin gear dropping for horde? You could easily go months without getting a single piece of loot.

But you would eventually get the item you wanted. Now you'll probably play for an entire expansion and only get inferior versions of the items you want. I'd rather get no loot at all if it's not the best loot, makes it more rewarding when you actually get something.

[Wvvtayy]

But you would eventually get the item you wanted. Now you'll probably play for an entire expansion and only get inferior versions of the items you want. I'd rather get no loot at all if it's not the best loot, makes it more rewarding when you actually get something.

That's just an immature way of thinking. "If I can't have the best I don't want anything at all!!!"

[Nutrition]

That's just an immature way of thinking. "If I can't have the best I don't want anything at all!!!"

The lower the difficulty you do the more rng plays a part in your progression. It isnt hard for me to understand why someone who does dungeons isn't enamoured by randomly getting gear that trivializes all content forever for them.

Arguably mythic raiders are the least effected by rng in the strange new game we find ourselves in.

[Deleted]

Only 24-25 essences from emissary every single time, fucking blizzard bitches!

[RadmaKanow]

They worked fine for the most part, but all of a sudden they were ditched without any reasoning whatsoever.

Probably because people used them as a primary loot source, not a bad RNG counter. I know I did. Fresh max level, run few dungeons to collect few badges, then quick visit to vendor, character semi-geared.

Regular loot drops were like upgrades to badge-bought pieces, which badge-bought pieces were treated as a base for further progression. Total upside down flipping of the system. And it somehow turned to be mandatory - easy badge gear was just a stepping stone and not having AT LEAST badge gear meant you were a total moron, not worthy of taking under consideration.

[Sansnom]

Gotta love the rose colored glasses on some people. Did the people who whine about bad luck even play in vanilla?

It all comes down to

RNG is okay if I get it on the first attempt.
RNG is okay if I get it on the 10th attempt.
RNG is not okay if I do not get if after more than 50, or X, attempt.

RNG is not okay if people that I do not think deserve it get it on the first attempt.
RNG is not okay if people that I do not think deserve it get on the 10th attempt.

I think part of the problem is the perceive unfairness that people doing easier content are getting items that they have not been able to acquire despite doing harder content.

While I can partially understand the feeling resentment, they should also consider the possibility that is one person who managed to acquire a great item from LFR or whatever is extremely rare. I do not know for sure.

If titanforge did not happen, I think the RNG complaint would be less since RNG itself is nothing new. Titanforge is quite recent.

Just my opinion.

[Great Destiny Man]

Is there a specific RNG whining issue you'd like to reference (like Personal Loot in Mythic raids), or is this just a blanket statement for anyone who ever complains about RNG in the game?