Virginia elementary school drops Confederate general from name, changes to Obama

[Primemrip]

Winners write history. If the south won, there probably wouldn't be anything named after presidents from the North.

[Kaleredar]

Traitors shouldn't be honored as heroes, but they also shouldn't be forgotten either.

Get out of here with your logic! We don't like that here on MMO Champ!

Slowly but surely history is being erased, won't be surprised to see the US flag get changed because reasons..

Why do you conflate "not honoring confederate heroes" with "trying to erase history?"

Naming a school after a confederate general is considered an "honor." They can teach all about how he was a traitor to the United States in that school without it being named after him.

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Slowly but surely history is being erased, won't be surprised to see the US flag get changed because reasons..

First of all, history isn't being erased. If not meaning that the elementary was the only tie to this Confederate general and no other history exist about him...

Also, isn't it historical that their new name is after the first black presidant?

Or is it only history when it comes to Confederate traitors?

[Darththeo]

Why do you conflate "not honoring confederate heroes" with "trying to erase history?"

Naming a school after a confederate general is considered an "honor." They can teach all about how he was a traitor to the United States in that school without it being named after him.

If you think that was my point, you aren't thinking correctly.

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George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, yet they are heroes. What's your point?

On topic. These people are heroes to their people, and continue to be. Being on the losing side of a war doesn't make them less worthy to their people.

[Travis B]

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, yet they are heroes. What's your point?

On topic. These people are heroes to their people, and continue to be. Being on the losing side of a war doesn't make them less worthy to their people.

Who exactly are "their people"? Are the Nazis still worshipped by the German people today?

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Who exactly are "their people"? Are the Nazis still worshipped by the German people today?

The nazis worked against Germans themselves. The Confederates protected the South. Just because they lost doesn't change that, no matter the fact that history is written by the victors.

[Drusin]

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, yet they are heroes. What's your point?

Not heroes in my book, I drag their names through the mud every chance I get

[Machismo]

Well, it looks like we've found another apologist for slavery.

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Not heroes in my book, I drag their names through the mud every chance I get

They're not your heroes, understandable. No one is forcing you to regard them as heroes, just as no one should be forcing others to not consider them heroes just because they were on the losing side.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Who exactly are "their people"? Are the Nazis still worshipped by the German people today?

People who think the 5 years Americans spent waging war on each other and dying by the thousands in appalling conditions is more important to cling to than the other 236 years.

[Machismo]

They're not your heroes, understandable. No one is forcing you to regard them as heroes, just as no one should be forcing others to not consider them heroes just because they were on the losing side.

That... and they were fighting in defense of slavery...

[Deleted]

Well, it looks like we've found another apologist for slavery.

The Confederates didn't fight to defend slavery in particular, 99% of them didn't even own slaves. They fought so that Washington doesn't destroy their economy and their way of life.

The men who died did it for a noble goal, and just because winners write the history, doesn't mean they were bad men.

[Machismo]

The Confederates didn't fight to defend slavery in particular, 99% of them didn't even own slaves. They fought so that Washington doesn't destroy their economy and their way of life.

The men who died did it for a noble goal, and just because winners write the history, doesn't mean they were bad men.

Their economy was slavery, the Civil War was primarily about slavery. If you don't believe me, believe those who seceded.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/p...eceding-states

They sure as shit believed it was about slavery. But hey, keep defending slavery, it's adorable.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

The Confederates didn't fight to defend slavery in particular, 99% of them didn't even own slaves.

False. Census data from 1860 shows that approximately 32% of the white population in the states that would become the Confederacy owned at least one slave.

http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html

Edit: Link

[draynay]

Anyone who owned 20 or more slaves was exempt from military conscription.

[Travis B]

The Confederates didn't fight to defend slavery in particular, 99% of them didn't even own slaves. They fought so that Washington doesn't destroy their economy and their way of life.

The men who died did it for a noble goal, and just because winners write the history, doesn't mean they were bad men.

That's like saying a bank robber didn't hold up a bank because he wanted to rob people, he did it just so he could have the money. Sorry but that's an incredibly dumbfuck way of trying to make excuses for them.

[Kaleredar]

The Confederates didn't fight to defend slavery in particular, 99% of them didn't even own slaves. They fought so that Washington doesn't destroy their economy and their way of life.

The men who died did it for a noble goal, and just because winners write the history, doesn't mean they were bad men.

Their "way of life" was owning slaves and the general repression of black people. Their economy was built on it.

We live in the United States, not the confederacy. They were traitors to the United States whose desire to perpetuate the ownership of human beings as property lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of loyal Americans.

They do NOT need to be honored. As a matter of fact, at best they should be seen as a warning for what happens when you put pride above what is right.