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  1. #141
    Oes noes a Commie. He had a t-shirt and hat and everything.

    In the US, white supremacists have infiltrated police and military to get weapons training

    New York: Law enforcement, the military, and politics in the United States have been infiltrated by white supremacists, who use it to recruit others and gain paramilitary training.

    The claim, by a former neo-Nazi skinhead who now works as an anti-racist activist, is supported by internal reports on local policing by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the top domestic law enforcement agency in the US.

    Christian Picciolini, a 44-year-old, award-winning activist from Chicago who now works to deradicalise racist extremists, says members of his former neo-Nazi gang pursued careers with police departments, joined the military, or ran for political office.

    “A lot of these old skinheads and [Ku Klux] Klansmen have gone into the mainstream,” Picciolini told Fairfax Media.

    “Many people from my crew went on to be Chicago police officers, they went on to be prison guards,and they certainly took their ideology with them. A lot of people that I know ended up enlisting in the military to recruit [racists] and to get weapons and combat training.”

    Picciolini says he “frequently” gets requests for help from people in the military - or parents or friends - concerned by rhetoric within the ranks.

    “They are denying the Holocaust, their views are in line with white supremacists and white nationalists, and they are coming back from serving in the military angry,” he says.

    Picciolini’s experience is echoed by a 2015 FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide that highlights its investigations into domestic terrorism.

    The FBI identified active links to officers who were employed by some of the 18,000 law enforcement agencies across the United States. A 2006 FBI intelligence report also flagged infiltration of law enforcement agencies by white supremacist groups.

    According to Picciolini, it was last August’s far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, that awoke many people to the mainstreaming of white nationalism in the US. Among the chaos, a woman was killed when she was run down by a vehicle driven by a man linked to white supremacist groups. President Trump said the rally - marked by clashes between rival protesters - included “very fine people on both sides”.

    “Most people thought extremists were what I used to be - Nazi skinheads and KKK and very visible,” Picciolini says.

    “In Charlottesville, they were clean cut white men wearing khakis and polo shirts marching through the street carrying Nazi banners. They [looked like] our sons and daughters and their friends.

    "That was shocking to people but was a concerted strategy by the white supremacist movement to try and blend in to lose the packaging that was too offensive and too edgy.”

    Born in Chicago to Italian immigrant parents, Picciolini was recruited to a local neo-Nazi skinhead group at the age of 14. He rose to be a leader of the national white supremacist movement and performed internationally in hardcore bands that promoted white supremacist and racist ideology.

    As detailed in his memoir, White American Youth, Picciolini eventually cut ties with the supremacist movement and co-founded Life After Hate, a non-profit group that works to counter extremism and racism.

    In 2016, Picciolini won an Emmy Award for his directing and producing role in a public service campaign called "There is Life After Hate” aimed at helping deradicalisation.

    “The reasons why people might join a neo-Nazi movement or fly from middle America to Syria to join ISIS are similar,” Picciolini says.

    “It’s a broken individual’s search for identity, community, and purpose. For people who might have potholes they can’t navigate around, sometimes the detours take you down a pretty dark path.”

    Life After Hate’s work was acknowledged by the Obama administration in 2016 and awarded a $US400,000 ($515,000) grant from the Department of Homeland Security - only to find it rescinded by the Trump administration last year.

    “There was no explanation,” says Picciolini.

    Picciolini quit Life After Hate last year - the group continues without him and raised $US700,000 from crowdfunding to fill in the government funding cut - to take his message around the world. The fight to combat extremism is not just an American issue, and Picciolini sees similar patterns in the US, Europe, and even Asia.

    “I see far-right and ultra-nationalist politicians elected to office because of the fear rhetoric that has come out of the refugee crisis,” he says.

    “They are using the rhetoric of the ‘other’ invading and destroying culture to scare people into becoming more nationalistic or more separatist. It is happening all over the world - even India and South America and Japan - where normally the far -right and neo-Naziism wouldn’t make a lot of sense.”

    Picciolini has helped launch “exit programs” around the world for people who want to leave far-right groups - including the Perth-based Exit Australia. He is also a member of the Strong Cities Network, a global organisation of local leaders and policy makers that collaborate on initiatives to prevent violent extremism in local communities. The state of Victoria is a member.

    “Hatred is born of ignorance,” Picciolini says. “Fear is its father and isolation is its mother. We are afraid of what we don’t understand. We live in bubbles and need to break out of these bubbles.

    "I am an optimist but until we see institutional and systemic racism change, and until we stop electing politicians who build divisiveness with fear rhetoric, we are fighting an uphill battle.”
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    https://taskandpurpose.com/neo-nazi-...-commie-cadet/

    Seems different rules apply to fascists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Oes noes a Commie. He had a t-shirt and hat and everything.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-a...09-p4yzs5.html
    Different case, different grade, different army branch. But from the comment :

    "DoD, DoN, and USMC guidance is clear: if you're court-martialed for extremist conduct, you get processed for separation. The Marine and the ex-2nd Lt will face the same process, save for differences between officer and enlisted personnel laws, as well as service regulations."

    TLDR : The guy is out for good after his 28 days and the article just hid that fact to rile you guys up.
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    I like the freedom of speech they have in the US. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I like the freedom of speech they have in the US. :P
    yup, its the only country that have freedom of speech...man i need to visit that country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I like the freedom of speech they have in the US. :P
    As has been stated dozens of times at this point, this has nothing to do with free speech. He is a free man, with no legal actions having ever been taken against him, he has committed no crime and been charged with none. What he did was violate the clearly stated rules of the organization he was in, and has been removed by that organization. He is now welcome to lead all the communist marches he pleases, because he still has freedom of speech, same as he always did.

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    He was dismissed for multiples offenses like advocating political violence on social media and shit-talking his superiors, including but not exclusive to insulting Mattis, the defense secretary or saying he'd "Happily dance" on the tomb of a US senator.
    There's "having a political opinion" and there's "being a fucking retard in public multiple times".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    he should have been put into a labor camp
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    he should be interrogated
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    why is this allowed?
    Because it happened in the USA, if you want a country that works the way you seem to desire I suggest time traveling to the USSR :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    As has been stated dozens of times at this point, this has nothing to do with free speech. He is a free man, with no legal actions having ever been taken against him, he has committed no crime and been charged with none. What he did was violate the clearly stated rules of the organization he was in, and has been removed by that organization. He is now welcome to lead all the communist marches he pleases, because he still has freedom of speech, same as he always did.
    But, freedom of speech man! The US is the only country ON THE PLANET with it. FREEDOM! Of Speech!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    Because it happened in the USA, if you want a country that works the way you seem to desire I suggest time traveling to the USSR :P
    Uhhh... give them time. They're on their best way to turn the US into a nation that... puts communists in labor camps. And interrogates political enemies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    Pretty sure this guy did all this in order to get out with a free education. No one who has these kinds of views or inclinations would want to be in the military doing an actual job. These are the kinds of things people joke about doing when they want to get out as fast as possible and can't wait until their contracts are up.
    How did such a person even get into West Point in the first place?

    Did no one along the way in admissions, the military, whoever sponsored him, etc., take even the most cursory glance at him to see this bullshit? Or did he just completely and successfully hide it until he graduated?

  10. #150
    If being communist is enough to get you kicked out of the military.....shouldn't being pro dictator (and pro Putin) get you kicked out of the White House?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    How did such a person even get into West Point in the first place?

    Did no one along the way in admissions, the military, whoever sponsored him, etc., take even the most cursory glance at him to see this bullshit? Or did he just completely and successfully hide it until he graduated?
    What? He can't be communist? Because, as far as I am concerned, I would rather have a communist, than some of the current alt-right terrorists that get made in there now.

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    What? He can't be communist? Because, as far as I am concerned, I would rather have a communist, than some of the current alt-right terrorists that get made in there now.
    And normal people that aren't extremists rather have neither of those 2 groups.
    But you might have also noticed the earlier posts of people that served that already explained he did not get kicked out for being a communist.

  13. #153
    Communism as an ideology is different than Communism in practice, just like Capitalism in theory is different than Capitalism in practice.

    Alt right, nazism etc., on the other hand, are the same in theory as in practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Communism as an ideology is different than Communism in practice, just like Capitalism in theory is different than Capitalism in practice.

    Alt right, nazism etc., on the other hand, are the same in theory as in practice.
    Considering every single time humanity has experimented with communism it has resulted in mass human suffering, with a combined tens of millions of deaths... I think its fair to call communism equally as abhorrent as fascism.

    The ideology is irrelevant when humanity is quite literally incapable of ever abiding by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    Considering every single time humanity has experimented with communism it has resulted in mass human suffering, with a combined tens of millions of deaths... I think its fair to call communism equally as abhorrent as fascism.

    The ideology is irrelevant when humanity is quite literally incapable of ever abiding by it.
    Doesn't really matter what you call it or consider it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    How did such a person even get into West Point in the first place?

    Did no one along the way in admissions, the military, whoever sponsored him, etc., take even the most cursory glance at him to see this bullshit? Or did he just completely and successfully hide it until he graduated?
    That is a good question. I think West Point attendees are appointed? I am not that all familiar with it however, so could be wrong. But there is politics involved in the military and having affirmative action type rules ( representatives of groups, etc. ) may be at play.
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    Why was this a dischargable offense?

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    What crime did he commit that warranted a discharge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elba View Post
    What crime did he commit that warranted a discharge?
    The now-former cadet said the probe found him advocating for socialist revolution online and disparaging high-ranking officers and U.S. officials. The Army said it took “appropriate action” in dealing with the situation.

    In other words, conduct unbecoming of a officer.
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