Newly Sworn in Officers Shoots Unarmed Teen to Death

[prwraith]

You know I don't get this. Lately every time a black person dies I see the excuses.

1) Since when is stealing your car deserving of him getting shot
2) He was fleeing from the house where he stole your valuables, he didn't deserve to get shot
3) He just choked our a shopkeeper, and assaulted a cop, he didn't deserve to get shot

And now suspected of a previous shooting, with armed people in the car with him and he didn't deserve to get shot.

At this point I can only assume, that black people never deserve to get shot, and only white people do by merit of our misfortune to be born a nice bright target.

[Daelak]

A few hours after being sworn in an officer shoots and kills a teen who was running now... running away... citizens do not have the right to shoot a person running away if they've even been caught committing a crime, so remember that. Officers aren't suppose to shoot either unless they pose an imminent threat, which... how could they have known that? In the end



Now there are ways to apprehend suspects that are running, unless they're running with guns they don't pose enough of a threat to shoot someone running away unarmed.

Textbook excessive force. They even released the driver without charges or bail. I do enjoy the POS in this thread attacking a child for their decisions, you know a human who's brain hasnt been fully developed yet.

[Ealyssa]

isn't running from a police officer a crime?

A crime not punished by death penalty. And cops aren't judges.

[prwraith]

A crime not punished by death penalty. And cops aren't judges.

It is actually if certain criteria are met. They had been met if the people in the car were armed.

[Kerghun]

Unfortunately Police Work is a gray area, and whether you agree or disagree with the Officer's actions. This is how it is evaluated.
1. Did the officer have Reasonable suspicion to stop the Vehicle and detain those inlvovled with a suspected shooting?
2. Did the officer has probable cause to believe while interviewing to believe that he had the suspect?
3. When the suspect ran did he have enough reasonable suspicion to believe that he was armed?
4. The suspect if armed had a lethal weapon used in a shooting.
5. The officer has not searched the suspect or is detained because hes not in handcuffs as is protocol.
6. This individual is now running from an officer with a (possibly) lethal weapon used in an attempted murder or felonious assault. (Disorderly conduct, Misconduct at an Emergency, Felony fleeing, Obstruction of official business) Are what he has before factoring in the primary felony charge.
7. Does the suspect present a lethal risk to the police/public/and property?

These are all questions the officer has to answer, with number 7 being the big one. Does he have the right to shoot? Now here is where it is all a gray area kiddos, If the officer can articulate that the individual fleeing presented a clear and present danger to any of those three and can express why needed to shoot. Then yes he has the right.
Irregardless of what you may feel, or non-lethal or this BS about shooting someone in the legs or maiming them to stop them from running. If a cop pulls out his gun he is going to use lethal force and if you shoot someone you can kill them even if not hitting them in a major vital area. A man bled to death from being shot in the leg, guess what he hit an artery. You are getting shot bullets are meant for one thing, lethal take downs, nonlethal means for your basic patrolmen is a taser and has an effective range of 20 feet, IF it hits and discharges, a tazer works maybe 20% of the time but when it works holy fuck it does work.

For those of you who are clearly anti-cop there is one thing that will guarantee you will be fine, just sit there do what the cop says and nothing will happen to you. If he asks you to do something say yes sir and do it. If the cop is a complete fucking prick as I know there are some out there, there is a recourse for that, you take him and the department to court. Everyone records everything a cop does and if hes in the wrong you just take him to court over it and then sue him and you'll win. He'll lose his job and youll be compensated.

I not being the officer and not the armchair lawyer that most are can't agree or disagree with him because in that moment I don't know what he was thinking. I don't know what was going on in his head, maybe the kid said something before he ran off or maybe did some action before the officer fired. I simply don't know because I wasn't there and I don't have a right to judge him and his decisions without knowing the facts. Until I know everything I withhold all my judgement and wont attempt to know this officer's mental state and why he felt justified in lethal force. But it will be evaluated by other officers, and a committee headed by the police and council members of the city and the state.

[Orange Joe]

It is actually if certain criteria are met. They had been met if the people in the car were armed.

Almost half the US population meet this "criteria" legally.

[yetgdhfgh]

I do sometimes wonder if cops and rookies get teased at the station for being Virgins and by that i mean they havent shot anyone yet so when the time comes they have no hesitation about popping there gun cherry.

I do admire cops cause they do a thankless job but seriously lately do these people come out of the 1980s movie 'Police Academy' level of training?

[Deleted]

No way to know if unarmed n if ur running from cops after murder incident then that's a red flag. Stop or cops shoot, what is there to argue about?

[Culex]

What a shame, another scumbag off the street.

[prwraith]

Almost half the US population meet this "criteria" legally.

I don't think half the us population is driving around armed while being a suspect of a previous shooting though

[Themius]

Oh I don't know, perhaps because he had already participated in shooting someone. Just a guess.

That doesn’t make him a threat to everyone else when running unless he was reaching which he wasn’t

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Textbook excessive force. They even released the driver without charges or bail. I do enjoy the POS in this thread attacking a child for their decisions, you know a human who's brain hasnt been fully developed yet.

My focus really is that driver they let go.

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It is actually if certain criteria are met. They had been met if the people in the car were armed.

Actually no. Which is why he’s in leave while an investigation happens

[Direpenguin]

Police are not judge, jury and executioner.

These people were not criminals, you are only a criminal when you are convicted of a crime as part of a fair trial (by your peers).

So in a hostage situation, the police shouldn't shoot the suspect because police are not judge , jury and executioner nor is the suspect a criminal, because you are only a criminal when you are convicted of a crime as part of a fair trial (by your peers)?

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What a shame, another scumbag off the street.

Inb4 the bleeding heart "He was such a good kid... always took out the trash... just wanted to go to college and get a career... liked puppies..." bullshit we always hear when a thugster is killed in the line of being a criminal thugster.

Also, just adding this, since it seems so many people still cannot follow these simple rules:

[xindralol]

What a shame, another scumbag off the street.

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Better some thug than a cop who still has his life ahead of him.

Blue Lives Matter.

[Deleted]

Even our police in Denmark would have shot him. What kind of imbecile runs from the police when under suspicion of drive-by shooting?

The officer did a good job on this one. Ya'll cophaters need to come back to reality for a moment. You are defending a fleeing murderer...

[Deleted]

Was about time we skipped all this boring stuff like trials... IMO police officers should also be able to make laws so stuff like this doesn't get in the way.

A true democracy doesn't need all that bureaucracy hindering justice.

[Themius]

Even our police in Denmark would have shot him. What kind of imbecile runs from the police when under suspicion of drive-by shooting?

The officer did a good job on this one. Ya'll cophaters need to come back to reality for a moment. You are defending a fleeing murderer...

Why is any questioning of police force considered hating cops? Do you guys just not want there to be any questions of cop actions. Just full blown authoritarianism

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Better some thug than a cop who still has his life ahead of him.

Blue Lives Matter.

Cops aren’t being killed all that much. One of the safest jobs frankly.

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So in a hostage situation, the police shouldn't shoot the suspect because police are not judge , jury and executioner nor is the suspect a criminal, because you are only a criminal when you are convicted of a crime as part of a fair trial (by your peers)?

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Inb4 the bleeding heart "He was such a good kid... always took out the trash... just wanted to go to college and get a career... liked puppies..." bullshit we always hear when a thugster is killed in the line of being a criminal thugster.

Also, just adding this, since it seems so many people still cannot follow these simple rules:

Was this a hostage situation?

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No way to know if unarmed n if ur running from cops after murder incident then that's a red flag. Stop or cops shoot, what is there to argue about?

Other cases have already shown that cops shouldn’t shoot fleeing suspects unless they pose an obvious threat such as yelling threats or reaching for a gun. Neither of which happened

“It was found that use of deadly force to prevent escape is an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment, in the absence of probable cause that the fleeing suspect posed a physical danger.[1”

[prwraith]

Why is any questioning of police force considered hating cops? Do you guys just not want there to be any questions of cop actions. Just full blown authoritarianism
[1”

Because it seems like it's only questioned this heavily when a black person dies in the US. Regardless of how justified it may or may not have been. Nobody wants full authoritarianism but the bias is showing a bit. Sometimes cops really are justified. However, reading the news and reading through threads like these make it seem like even if the guy had been pointing a gun at a cop, there'd be someone who says well he should have reached for his taser.

[Themius]

Because it seems like it's only questioned this heavily when a black person dies in the US. Regardless of how justified it may or may not have been. Nobody wants full authoritarianism but the bias is showing a bit. Sometimes cops really are justified. However, reading the news and reading through threads like these make it seem like even if the guy had been pointing a gun at a cop, there'd be someone who says well he should have reached for his taser.

I do not care about his race... actually if you look at my history of posted topics concerning criminals and police or people gone too far they’re mostly white or I don’t mention race because it really isn’t my concern.

[prwraith]

I do not care about his race... actually if you look at my history of posted topics concerning criminals and police or people gone too far they’re mostly white or I don’t mention race because it really isn’t my concern.

It wasn't an accusation levelled at you. This is broad spectrum, every time a black person dies via cop, it almost doesn't matter whether it was justified. If it makes the news that cop is demonized and judged as guilty instantly. It's almost as bad as the sexual harrassments claims. If it makes the news the guy is guilty, regardless of the facts.

That's my problem with this and everything else. It just doesn't matter anymore, he'll end up being guilty, and if he gets found not guilty, there will be a riot.

[Dextroden]

I do not care about his race... actually if you look at my history of posted topics concerning criminals and police or people gone too far they’re mostly white or I don’t mention race because it really isn’t my concern.

Themius, that statement would mean something if you didn't regularly complain about how tge cops in America are racist. You built a reputation that only Bapestar can match.