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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Leodric View Post
    Doesn't matter who would get troops in faster, considering the Alliance had already man troops on the continent as well. The capitol was lost, orcs BTFO as well as trolls. Taurens had barely any reason to fight as well since Baine was anyways more for peace. Only ones who could be dangerous were the Forsaken, besides that nothing. Alliance had the chance to dismantle the Horde, just as Jaina said. Obviously Blizzard can't push that narrative since it would mean the end of WoW as it is.
    it does matters because at i said we dont know who much troops were there and to do the back up and until garrosh fight who much they lost of them, but because it doesnt fits you it doesnt matter ok.
    same can be said of garrosh horde since he rolf stomped the alliance since cata but the devs didnt let the alliance be disvanded so i can do that argument too.

    so i will not respond another of your replies since its like talking to a wall since you are so bias but w/e

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    Lol I am trying to imagine a christie golden history book.

    All I can come up with is, Anduin beautiful Anduin, Sylvannas' red eyes.

    Narrated by Chris metzen
    I got Before the Storm audiobook, man that Manduin's voice is melting me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Do you really think the warcheif with the backing of all of the horde is the same as one general in command because every one else is dead or a zombie with litteraly no one backing him but the men he has with him?
    Garithos had support of the Alliance member states. Even Dwarves and Gnomes sent support to him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    He didn't know anything about Eyir, he did know she was there to steal power.
    Explain this then. If Alliance knew about Sylvanas being after some power at the very start of Stormheim, why does Lorna admit they still don't know what Forsaken are after in Skold-Ashil, the last subzone of Stormheim related to Sylvanas vs Genn storyline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    And they cared so much they let them go directly into Quillboar territory where they all got killed.
    and???? the alliance force would have no reason to know how the cows and boars saw each other and would have no reason to know they would run into the boars and all die. the alliance let the civ's go they didn't stop to murder them like who easily could have it was in no way shape or form a warcrime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Garithos had support of the Alliance member states. Even Dwarves and Gnomes sent support to him.
    they sent support to the only guy not a zombie they didn't support him in the same way all of the horde marched with garrosh to thereamore or backed garrosh for all of cata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Garithos had support of the Alliance member states. Even Dwarves and Gnomes sent support to him.






    Explain this then. If Alliance knew about Sylvanas being after some power at the very start of Stormheim, why does Lorna admit they still don't know what Forsaken are after in Skold-Ashil, the last subzone of Stormheim related to Sylvanas vs Genn storyline?
    I can't recall complete (feel free to correct if iam wrong) but don't they find out she's trying to get valkyr in the quest after this one? That's in skold ashil itself no?

    Like, they know she is after something but don't find out exactly what until skold ashil sequence. Where those statue shield maidens are in stormheim, by the village.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Explain this then. If Alliance knew about Sylvanas being after some power at the very start of Stormheim, why does Lorna admit they still don't know what Forsaken are after in Skold-Ashil, the last subzone of Stormheim related to Sylvanas vs Genn storyline?
    This is where I agree with you. Because they didn't know. They only knew she was in Stormheim. But how did they know she was there, or on her way there? There is nothing else ingame or outside the game except that one quest in Aszuna that could tell. Explain that then? How did they know? Context right?

    Why do you think people go with that explanation? How can the alliance only players know there is another quest for Horde with another twist on the story? If you only play Horde, you wouldn't know the Alliance got a quest with intel, wich the Worgen NPC himself tell us that is it when we deliver it. You have done both sides yourself right?

    You can blame blizz for that misunderstanding, if there is one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    And they cared so much they let them go directly into Quillboar territory where they all got killed.




    Is it though? Like 90% of regular Alliance posters also spread this lie. And many, many other common lies that are easily disproved by actual quest text and other easily found canon lore *cough* Alliance is never the aggressor *cough* It'd be weird if they were all constantly insulting each other.




    You mean Liam? Worgen did give up. Before Cataclysm ended Gilneas was already officially abandoned. And then Forsaken blockaded it til Legion.
    Because the place was getting overrun by feral Worgen who forced the Forsaken out as well. Killing Liam certainly did nothing to break the spirits of the Gilneans and earned her a most bitter enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unforgiving Sentinel View Post
    There's more money in war than there ever is in peacetime.
    If you can sell to both sides of the war? Sure. Gallywix can't in this case, being one of Horde's leaders. Peace would open half the world's markets to him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    Operating in neutral territory, around the site where the planet just got fucking stabbed by a Titan, where they have just as much right to be as the Horde do.
    Just because Silithus is neutral doesn't mean Horde mining camp is neutral. Just like Vanilla Alliance camp in Silithus was not neutral. Horde camp is Horde territory. It really boggles my mind how Alliance-leaning posters on this forum struggle with this preschool level concept.


    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    Sorry, that's not a justification to kill them on sight, and if you do the faction the spies were a part of have every right to retaliate against you for it.
    That they have a right to retaliate you does not change they instigated the conflict in the first place.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    This is silly. A foreign power comes up to see what another foreign power is doing in a neutral region, therefore it's perfectly okay to murder those agents on sight? The miners were hostile and attacking anyone that even came up to their operation.
    Horde camp isn't neutral region. And Silithus being a neutral region is nothing more than a game term. It's not neutral in a political term. It's not a neutral zone, it's not a neutral territory and it most certainly is not a neutral state. It's an area that belongs to neither the Horde nor the Alliance. In general. Because like with most neutral zones in WoW, Alliance and the Horde still set up camps in there. Which they can defend. Any time some Horde player walks into Alliance camp in Desolace and is attacked by the guards, is the Alliance starting a war? No. Because the camp belongs to them and the Horde player has no right to enter it as they please.

    An analogy that may help brilliant Alliance minds grasp this completely uncomplicated matter. If I park my car in a public parking, is a lunatic Alliance player entitled to get into just because the parking as a whole is public? No, because that'd be as lunatic as the hypothetical Alliance player.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    Just as it was said many many times before Sylvanas didn´t want any freethinking Forsaken all she wants are mindless yes sayer and bootlicker and anyone with even a spark of free will will be disposed off.

    See Koltira and what happend to him after he didn´t do as she told him.
    You mean after he betrayed the Forsaken by making an unauthorized truce with the enemy, which ran contrary to his orders and which cost Forsaken lives when Alliance decided to suddenly break that truce? Which, by the way, he was capable of choosing to do in the first place precisely because he had free will?

    Yeah, no. Free will does not equal lawlessness. I'm still not sure why Alliance posters have trouble fathoming this either.


    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    Guess we will have to agree to disagree then. To me they are acting totally in character.

    Given what she did he is well within his rights to hold her hostage and feed her hozen poo for the rest of her days lol. Genn is not Anduin. And ull notice that Rogers has exactly the same motivation as Genn but less authority. Rogers lost her family in South shore to sylvannas.
    Yeah, no. Rogers' family died in the Second War attack on Southshore. She says her parents are buried there. After Forsaken attacked it there was no human left to bury anyone and Forsaken sure as hell would not bother with it either.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by SleepsAtDay View Post
    Wait. There’s lore attached to Ashran? I thought the place was just a thinly-veiled excuse to try large scale PvP again. Zero story repercussions, like Tol Barad and Wintergrasp before it.

    I mean, personal opinion here, but “you attacked at Ashran” carries about as much story weight to me as “you challenged me to a pie eating contest.”
    Doesn't change that it happened. Horde fans can't just move the goal posts because they can't accept their pet faction is the aggressor again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cucultlan View Post
    it does matters because at i said we dont know who much troops were there and to do the back up and until garrosh fight who much they lost of them, but because it doesnt fits you it doesnt matter ok.
    same can be said of garrosh horde since he rolf stomped the alliance since cata but the devs didnt let the alliance be disvanded so i can do that argument too.

    so i will not respond another of your replies since its like talking to a wall since...
    Dunno man, they got entirly BTFO by us the players, garrosh himself before that + the Alliance. I don't know how much more you need to get handed on a silver plate to figure out the Alliance let the Horde live and could have ended them there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucultlan View Post
    you are so bias but w/e
    That's amusingly ironic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elune-life-nature View Post
    Too bad that it is a fact. From the very beginning of WoW, horde was always blessed with power by blizzard, eventhough they were nothing other than refugees who constantly lose their wars and their capital got sacked, they are still as powerful as Alliance. So yes it is Blizzard's blessing ... to a degree that suddenly after so many wars and so many loses "lets invade the homeland of the ones that Garrosh devised a lot of plan to conquer their land and failed and take their entire nation as hostage and kill the most powerful druid who saved the world several times and break the spirit of those people who are extremely religious and live happily after. Are you with me Mr. Honorable?" "Yeah, honor not triggered. Lets go"
    Yes, yes, HORDE BIAS is totally reals and is out to get each and every Alliance member. Because reptilians control Blizzard through chemtrails.

    Also, do tell more of this fascinating tale of how Horde is nothing other than refugees that constantly lose their wars. Because they lost only the Second War. Because two thirds of the Horde either fucked off with Gul'dan or was sent after Gul'dan to punish him. So yay, Alliance won a war against 1/3rd of the Horde forces on Azeroth (with entire clans still waiting behind on Draenor).

    And out of that 1/3rd they still failed to capture some clans, like Frostwolves and the Warsong. And yet, the population of internment camps alone, which is a sliver of the entire Orc population, was still enough for Blackmoore to plan taking over the Alliance. Which he did in a timeline where he merely stopped drinking. Admittedly that was after Stromgarde, Quel'Thalas, Gilneas and Kul Tiras left, but then again still included the powerhouses like Dwarves and Lordaeron.

    Then Orcs fled, rejoining with Warsongs and Frostwolves that eluded capture. While Lordaeron, the strongest nation of the Alliance, fell. With half of the Scourge forces of in Lordaeron then breaking free as Forsaken. And them and remaining Thalassian forces joining the Horde too. And Tauren and some Trolls. Meanwhile since then the part of the Alliance that would have been defeated by Orcs alone. Or was defeated by Orcs alone in case of Stormwind. Just their vanguard too, because Orcs reinforced before the Second War. Yet Stormwind is now the strongest Alliance member. Which should tell you how weak Alliance is.

    Meanwhile Alliance got genocide magnet in Draenei and Night Elves, which constantly had to be bailed out by their human masters. Horde is better off in allied races too.

    So no shit the Horde is as powerful as the Alliance. They should be much, much stronger if a kingdom that recently almost fell to the memory of the Gurrubashi Empire is Alliance's backbone. The fact that Alliance didn't get steamrolled in the last war that they stupidly started showcases that Alliance is getting undue blessings of power.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    No she agreed because she hoped it would fail, after she witnessed that there´re Forsaken who want to see their familys she just used Calia as a oppurtunity to just cull them all because (just back at you did you even read the book "mate"): I can´t allow them to feel hope and happyness or they would not longer follow me.
    Would you look at that, brilliant Alliance minds are still ignoring that the first reason she gave was that she couldn't trust any of the Forsaken still on the field under the circumstances that arose.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    You mean after Blizz stated that the Aszuna happend before Stormheim and we clearly got info that she was up to no good his attack wasn´t justified?
    Not only has Blizz not said that, but there is nothing to prove that Alliance got info that Sylvanas is up to no good in Stormheim before Stormheim's storyline even started.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    With all the fucking things the Horde has done before (and especially what she has done) his attack wasn´t justified (which it was after all)?
    No, it's not justified. Because not only does it not work retroactively, but she neither did nor even planned to do anything against the Alliance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedragon View Post
    So lets ignore the Intel the worgen get out of Azuna I guess, but even then Genn may have saved us all from Sylvanas's greed, where in Odin decides to not give us the Aegis because we mortals stole one of his prized subjects from him and sided with Helya to do it no less...
    Let's ignore that there's nothing that proves Azsuna happens before Stormheim or that the Alliance version of the Azsuna book is canon over the Horde version and that Alliance Stormheim storyline disproves the notion that Alliance had the book.


    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedragon View Post
    And the Horde murders Alliance SI:7 members who where acting passively to the goblins, and don't give me that innocent bunk ether. Sylvanas herself has made mention that she want's to make war on the alliance, and whats the first thing she dose with this stuff? oh ya build weapons with it, and lay siege to a world tree.
    Except Alliance knew squat what the Horde wanted to do with Azerite. They didn't even know anything significant about Azerite itself at the point. Also, not only is the Alliance questline in Silithus likely starting first, but even if it wasn't, those Alliance SI:7 members were still "passively acting" in Horde mining camp. I.e. they were trespassing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    The True Leader and Heir of the Kingdom of Lordaeron has been revealed. Sylvanas is a pretender. The true Queen of Lordaeron and leader of the forsaken is here. Sylvanas and her psycho banshee ways are at an end.

    LONG LIVE CALIA MENETHILL!! LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!!
    Mernethil's Lordaeron went up in flames. Sylvanas forged her state in its ashes and is a legitimate ruler by right of conquest. Even if Menethil's Lordaeron was still a thing, Calia bailed on it a decade ago and abandoned her people.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    Play the Alliance questline starting with Aszuna follow the story get send back to Dalaran turn your quest in and read the quest text. come back after that and see if you still talk like you now nothing about quest progression.
    Now do the same questline with the Horde. Would you look at that, it's mutually exclusive with the Alliance one. And there's no source on earth that says it's the Alliance one that's canon. And Alliance Stormheim storyline still disproves the notion Alliance had any intel. They are utterly clueless even in Skold-Ashil. The last subzone of Stormheim involved in the Sylvanas vs Genn storyline. Which, imagine that, happens after the start of that questline.


    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    You noticed the pattern too? At least there's honesty in the choice of username.
    You're not really one to talk, given your habit to start complaining about how it's unfair books are canon lore or that other posters' posts are too long for your liking whenever you run out of arguments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Leodric View Post
    Absolutely, maybe not in the same room, but afterwards in the grand scheme of things the Alliance had the upper hand there. Horde was weakened as hell, the Alliance captured their capitol, the war was basically won at that point. It's a fact that the Alliance was mercifull enough to leave the Horde be.
    Alliance didn't capture shit. They were there together with the Darkspear Rebellion to liberate the city from Garrosh. Also, the Horde was weakened as hell? You mean the Horde when even the majority of Orcs turned against Garrosh? You really don't mean the Alliance that had its teeth kicked in on daily basis ever since Cataclysm? How comes it's the Alliance that ceded a fuckton of land to the Horde rather than it being the other way around then, hmmm? And if they wouldn't win in the room, the "totally superior" Alliance army above would be left headless. All the while Sylvanas would go all out on telling her Val'kyr to resurrect the fallen humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    If you can sell to both sides of the war? Sure. Gallywix can't in this case, being one of Horde's leaders. Peace would open half the world's markets to him.




    Just because Silithus is neutral doesn't mean Horde mining camp is neutral. Just like Vanilla Alliance camp in Silithus was not neutral. Horde camp is Horde territory. It really boggles my mind how Alliance-leaning posters on this forum struggle with this preschool level concept.




    That they have a right to retaliate you does not change they instigated the conflict in the first place.




    Horde camp isn't neutral region. And Silithus being a neutral region is nothing more than a game term. It's not neutral in a political term. It's not a neutral zone, it's not a neutral territory and it most certainly is not a neutral state. It's an area that belongs to neither the Horde nor the Alliance. In general. Because like with most neutral zones in WoW, Alliance and the Horde still set up camps in there. Which they can defend. Any time some Horde player walks into Alliance camp in Desolace and is attacked by the guards, is the Alliance starting a war? No. Because the camp belongs to them and the Horde player has no right to enter it as they please.

    An analogy that may help brilliant Alliance minds grasp this completely uncomplicated matter. If I park my car in a public parking, is a lunatic Alliance player entitled to get into just because the parking as a whole is public? No, because that'd be as lunatic as the hypothetical Alliance player.




    You mean after he betrayed the Forsaken by making an unauthorized truce with the enemy, which ran contrary to his orders and which cost Forsaken lives when Alliance decided to suddenly break that truce? Which, by the way, he was capable of choosing to do in the first place precisely because he had free will?

    Yeah, no. Free will does not equal lawlessness. I'm still not sure why Alliance posters have trouble fathoming this either.




    Yeah, no. Rogers' family died in the Second War attack on Southshore. She says her parents are buried there. After Forsaken attacked it there was no human left to bury anyone and Forsaken sure as hell would not bother with it either.
    Ah it was the original horde not the true horde #23664. My mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Yeah yeah, brilliant as always. Those fanfictions are still strong.
    Right. An argument that points out in detail the logical and semantic flaw in your narrative is totally fanfiction. Never mind it wasn't even about lore per se, but about Blizzard's comments. So do tell me more about how this was fanfiction.

    Alternatively, at least admit you have nothing to offer because you are such a monumental paragon of argumentative courage and integrity that you find engaging in a discussion after you've been backed into corner to be below you rather than trying to use such a monumentally brilliant smokescreen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesethi View Post
    Not really, I think after the book, I would understand that decision.

    Also, M O R A L L Y G R A Y
    having read the book, there is nothing that would justify attacking teldrassil really.
    its just sylvanas assuming that others think like her.
    theres no real alliance threat.

    also, theres the whole civilians thing... you just dont do it.
    even camp taurajo civilians were allowed to leave and theres even alliance stopping thieves from stealing the tauren's stuff.
    even garrosh respected civilians in the begining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alienated Liberal Mitten View Post
    Pollution is much different than killing the planet itself. Life can recover in time once we extinguish, killing the titan pretty much just dooms the entire planet with no chance of recovery and mining azerite is a much more direct form of killing the planet than polluting since its entirely avoidable (We have not seen any QOL improvements for citizens as a result of mining azerite.
    How do you know? It's not like there is a scientific body on Azeroth engaged in hard sciences about the effects of mining Azerite. All we have is a vision Magni saw and that's not exactly solid proof. Especially since, as has already been said, SI:7 was doing its stuff in Silithus before Anduin had his talk with Magni that informed him more about things. Before that (i.e. when he told Shaw to observe the Horde) he knew little about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Yes, yes, HORDE BIAS is totally reals and is out to get each and every Alliance member. Because reptilians control Blizzard through chemtrails.
    And you wonder why you don't persuade anyone.

    You're not really one to talk, given your habit to start complaining about how it's unfair books are canon lore
    You keep trying to construct this narrative. I said one time that I didn't like that Blizz doesn't present the story in game leading to confusion. Every time I've commented since has been a reply to your butthurt obsession with that comment.

    or that other posters' posts are too long for your liking
    Do what? I have no idea what you're on about here.

    whenever you run out of arguments.
    Would that be when I realize that you are in no way interested in discussion, only in religious conversions?
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I'll buy an Anduin shirt if Delaryn doesn't end up betraying Sylvanas by the end of the expansion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex86el View Post
    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I agree about the initial attack in Stormheim, but as for Sylvanas maintaining the "security" of her entire race by capturing and enslaving another being that had never harmed her as well as any subsequent beings it might otherwise produce - well, that would fall firmly under the heading of "not good things to allow." Sylvanas had no right to Eyir or her Val'kyr, even if it was to her or the Forsaken's benefit - not that Genn cared overly about that, but the end-result of Genn's interference produced a good thing (freeing Eyir from possible eternal bondage).
    That Alliance may find itself unwilling to punish Genn and Rogers because they found Sylvanas' plan to fall under "not good things to allow" category is neither here nor there in regards to my point that from the Horde perspective these two merely apologizing wouldn't be enough after they fucked the Forsaken over.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    The Alliance cast itself in the role of peacekeeper, trying to wipe the foaming spittle from Garrosh's jaws as opposed to confronting him head-on. That being said, the Alliance despite its hesitance to commit itself had something the Horde distinctly lacked: cohesion among its own leadership and the full commitment of its client-races. That alone, if nothing else, cements it the comparative operator of ">=" in my mind. This of course got much worse as Garrosh further divided his own people and set them against him, culminating in his ouster at SoO. A Horde recovering from an internal schism would definitely fall behind the fully unified Alliance in terms of political power, although by the time of Legion this difference had largely been cemented over and the two factions were on roughly equal footing. Over the course of Legion and the dual losses on both sides I would say parity has now been reached just in time for BfA's events.
    Alliance's cohesion does not change the fact its strongest member was almost demolished by Gnolls. You can be the most cohesive force in the universe, but when even your strongest member has trouble against Gnolls, or was steamrolled by a sliver of what the Horde is now 1v1, you're not a superpower. Ants are more cohesive than even the Alliance. They still can get significantly fucked by a single anteater.

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    It's more of a sinkhole where a horse may have been a few years ago.
    Sinkhole has become this deep ass crater now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Nice headcanon there. You have no idea what she would have done or not. Maybe stop talking trash to people when they actually follow lore, since you are coming with speculations, with no logic whatsoever.
    Right. No logic whatsoever. Never mind that Sylvanas wants to attack Stormwind to create more Forsaken. Which she in turn needs to maintain their strength. A need that flies out of the window if she could make the Forsaken she already has immortal. Because *gasp* that'd maintain their strength much better than turning a group of people that may not even want to join her into undead.

    Ah, right. I forgot. Of course someone who has had severe problems with the concept of logic for years obviously wouldn't spot logic in what they are reading. But little advice. At least try to engage some introspection instead of flailing about how posts are trash because you can't spot logic in it even though it's basically hitting you in the face with a baseball bat.

    And I really hope you weren't talking about yourself where you mentioned the people that actually follow lore.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bigby View Post
    I like how people go "b-but Genn broke the peace with Stormheim!" but always very conveniently leave out Ashran, when the Horde's paranoid kicked in again and they decided to attack the Alliance out of sheer delusion. Again.
    Because there are no confirmed casualties. Now try to explain the Alliance posters ignoring that the Alliance started the previous faction war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Right. No logic whatsoever. Never mind that Sylvanas wants to attack Stormwind to create more Forsaken. Which she in turn needs to maintain their strength. A need that flies out of the window if she could make the Forsaken she already has immortal. Because *gasp* that'd maintain their strength much better than turning a group of people that may not even want to join her into undead.

    Ah, right. I forgot. Of course someone who has had severe problems with the concept of logic for years obviously wouldn't spot logic in what they are reading. But little advice. At least try to engage some introspection instead of flailing about how posts are trash because you can't spot logic in it even though it's basically hitting you in the face with a baseball bat.

    And I really hope you weren't talking about yourself where you mentioned the people that actually follow lore.




    Because there are no confirmed casualties. Now try to explain the Alliance posters ignoring that the Alliance started the previous faction war.
    As per quest text, letting sylvannas get more valkyr means her armies become unstoppable or something.

    It's the blizzard two pronged story line.

    Also can you guys get less angry at each other. Sheesh.
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