Trump pushes for NATO countries to stop enriching Russia

[dunhildas]

Aren't there already sanctions against Russia?
And where are we supposed to get it from then, the US? with it's trade war? fuck that.

Then get it from Russia and get the fuck out of Nato.

[NihilSustinet]

In what is another display of Trumps brutal truth telling and contrary to the mass media narrative that Trump is in Putin's pocket, Trump skewered Germany this morning for enriching Russia with billions of dollars in their choice to buy 70% of their energy from Russia. As part of the NATO agreement, the US, which supplies 70% of the defense spending of the entire alliance of countries, is responsible to defend NATO from an enemy, in Russia, that is being strengthened by the countries sworn to protect. It makes complete common sense that the countries of NATO should seek trade agreements with other cooperative countries (NATO countries) before looking to enemies for the purchasing of goods and services.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/polit...018/index.html

What do you think? Should Germany and other countries stop strengthening Russia with their high dependence on Russian products?

because it doesnt matter. the US is a colony of russia at this point anyway. but from us, buy from them. same thing.

[Collegeguy]

Much better than buying it from the regime that actively wants to undermine you and the EU.

But yeah tariffs are so spooky.

Germans need to stop being Russia's cockholster.

[owbu]

Trump wants people to buy American gas instead of Russian gas.

But he should get some credit for the hilarious reason he found, why he thinks Europeans should listen to him. Too many ties to Russia. Classic Trump!

[Vizardlorde]

Germans need to stop being Russia's cockholster.

Yea only trump can take that position!!

[Crispin]

Trump need to stop being Russia's cockholster.

Fixed that for you.

It's easy for Trump to put forward an anti-Russian suggestion that he knows Germany cant commit to, heck the US traded with the Soviet Union during the cold war.

Trump doesnt get to dictate who Germany buys it energy from, it's as simple as that. Perhaps if they Americans stopped buying Russian Rockets they wouldnt be supporting their enemy, it's not Europe that was used as an example for what the Russian nukes can turn into a nuclear waste on Russia1 (or whatever that TV channel is called), stop throwing money at Russia so they can nuke you Americans!

[Protean]

Is the protection of Germany less important than saving a buck?

I thought trumpkins believed in the free marked?

Which is it?

[sarahtasher]

Because this is how world works. Global power project their interests and can pressure weaklings into doing stuff, even if it goes against their interests. After all, this will be decided by politicians.

And this is is a complete and utter delusion, since oddly enough, the US can't browbeat foreign countries. After all, you have not managed to intimidate superpowers like Cuba...

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BTW, stable geniuses, to WHOM Germans are going to buy oil and gas ?

Other countries you have received orders to hate using kindergarden levels terms like ''bad guys'', like Iran or Venezuela ?

[Daelak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

Russia was in Syria in 2015. The US (under Obama) allowed Russia to facilitate the response to the crossing of a red-line of using Chemical weapons on it's own people, a red-line set by President Obama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexa...ian_Federation

Crimea was 2014. These are all actions taken under a President Obama.

Because Obama didnt want to do any major military actions without a global consensus, an action that would of caused a protracted war in the middle east. Sounds like wise leadership.

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Keep getting your energy from Russia.

Just don't cry on the other side that Russia is some "big baddie" that everyone needs protection from when, in truth- they are one of your major business partners.

It doesn't work both ways- sorry you can't have everything (especially when it makes basically no sense).

Try to put your ideology to the side for just a second and think logically: Why should the USA contribute more than any other nation in NATO- in order to help deter Russia- when Russia is actually one of your biggest business partners? Sorry, that just makes no sense at all.

Of course it works both ways, since their demand has been decreasing incrementally due to their changes in energy production policy in the EU.

[caervek]

From the North Sea fields and import more LNG oversea....

We already do, less than 1% of our gas comes from Russia.

When Trump talks about "Europe" being dependant on Russia for energy, what he refers to* is that ex-USSR countries like Estonia and Belarus are still connected to the same power grid as Russia. Hence why work is underway to connect them to the main European grid and sever them (like was done previously with East Germany, Poland, etc).

Not saying he knows what he's referring too, just what it is.

[Collegeguy]

Fixed that for you.

It's easy for Trump to put forward an anti-Russian suggestion that he knows Germany cant commit to, heck the US traded with the Soviet Union during the cold war.

Trump doesnt get to dictate who Germany buys it energy from, it's as simple as that. Perhaps if they Americans stopped buying Russian Rockets they wouldnt be supporting their enemy, it's not Europe that was used as an example for what the Russian nukes can turn into a nuclear waste on Russia1 (or whatever that TV channel is called), stop throwing money at Russia so they can nuke you Americans!

Trump has obligations and pee tapes. Germans have a choice. They should just get out of NATO if they can't afford their own resources and defense.

[Heladys]

That is not natural gas just hot air.

Plenty of methane coming off all the bullshit he spews though.

[Easo]

Because importing it from elsewhere would cost quite a bit more and Russia after the fall of USSR hasn't always been the threat it is now.
And its not like it is really possible to switch deliveries in a short period of time to USA for most of Europe. It simply is not.

[TexasRules]

Russia was considered a bad actor until it invaded Crimea and started having a bigger presence in Syria. Guess when that happened. Keep showing your ignorance, shows how fucking deluded conservatives are.

Because Obama didnt want to do any major military actions without a global consensus, an action that would of caused a protracted war in the middle east. Sounds like wise leadership.

WTF are you trying to say here. You calling him deluded because you infer that happened under Trump, then admit it happened under Obama. And he's fucking deluded?

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I got a solution. The United States will cut back on NATO funding from it's roughly 3.5% and all the countries doing business with Russia can pay somewhere close to the 2% they are supposed to be paying and everything will work out fine. That way the countries doing business with Russia can pay to protect themselves from Russia. I saw a poll where 42% of the residents of Germany want American troops to leave. Good, let them get Russia to give them troops, I am sure they will throw them in free with energy

[Daelak]

WTF are you trying to say here. You calling him deluded because you infer that happened under Trump, then admit it happened under Obama. And he's fucking deluded?

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I got a solution. The United States will cut back on NATO funding from it's roughly 3.5% and all the countries doing business with Russia can pay somewhere close to the 2% they are supposed to be paying and everything will work out fine. That way the countries doing business with Russia can pay to protect themselves from Russia. I saw a poll where 42% of the residents of Germany want American troops to leave. Good, let them get Russia to give them troops, I am sure they will throw them in free with energy

Russia wasn't killing Ukrainians for Crimean annexation in 2012. Russia wasn't poring hundreds of millions of dollars into a global misinformation campaign in 2012. 2012 is not 2015. 2012 is not 2016. Things change. Russia became more belligerent with time, not less, which caused the global consensus to sanction Russia.

Pathetic conservatives show their true cowardice when it comes to our allies and our word in alliances. Considering how meek you are, I can't wait to see rates of desertion on the "conservative patriot" rebel force when big bad liberal Obama zombie dictator comes for your guns.

[Collegeguy]

Indeed, the pipeline has been in the works for years before we started sanctioning Russia.

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Would be easier if the US pulled out instead.

Why when the US contributes? There are other European countries that contribute more. Germany should just stop being a pretender.

[Kiri]

Why when the US contributes? There are other European countries that contribute more. Germany should just stop being a pretender.

Germany has increased defense spending by 6.6% in inflation-corrected dollars (which is the measure people should use, because the other measure tries to incorporate two very different things).
It also sacrificed about 10 billion more in trade than the US did by imposing sanctions the past few years.

[TexasRules]

Russia wasn't killing Ukrainians for Crimean annexation in 2012. Russia wasn't poring hundreds of millions of dollars into a global misinformation campaign in 2012. 2012 is not 2015. 2012 is not 2016. Things change. Russia became more belligerent with time, not less, which caused the global consensus to sanction Russia.

Pathetic conservatives show their true cowardice when it comes to our allies and our word in alliances. Considering how meek you are, I can't wait to see rates of desertion on the "conservative patriot" rebel force when big bad liberal Obama zombie dictator comes for your guns.

But Obama said that Russia is not the enemy. Remember when Romney said it and they all laughed and laughed and said this isn't the cold war? And you can say anything you want, you tried to make him look stupid and called him fucking deluded when you didn't even know it was Obama who was in charge when it happened. I like how you troll and call Republicans cowards. I live in the great state of Texas and have no worries about my guns that I may or may not have. Nobody here is worried. But you keep up the trolling and show your true colors of saying the wrong thinks and ignoring your mistakes and calling people nazis for no reason. I hear a blue wave is coming.

[Dontrike]

This is hilarious coming from Trump, considering he's been sucking Putin's cock for years now. These little jabs at Russia are a ploy to make his base think he's actually "tough" on Russia.

Considering he'll be meeting with Putin in private with no one else around in less than a week this is just him throwing more shit out there and hoping it will stick.

[PACOX]

Pretty sure Russia needs those trade agreements as much as Europe. Im also pretty sure that European countries are working hard to slash the need of fossil fuels. When someone whose very campaign had open ties to the Russians, someone goes out of his way praise Russia - even to the point of ignoring those within his own administration, when someone who taken measures to slow the transition to alternative forms of energy criticizes you about your use of fossil fuels you sort of just snort and keep it moving.

Trump is playing a selfish game. One that generational allies to stop inviting the US to parties. The US is great because we're the biggest fish at the parties, we're nothing if we're no longer a part of the scene though.