Remember "it'll be released when it's finished" and the term "blizzard ppolish"?

[Wvvtayy]

My God how things have changed. Blizzard built a reputation on not releasing things until they're actually finished and to never rush anything. Hell, remember when they spent years working on Titan, then ended up scrapping the whole project just because it wasn't up to their standards? That wasn't that long ago. But now look, the devs are straight up admitting they didn't have enough time and the company forced them to rush the release, causing them to release an unfinished expansion that we'll have to deal with for months or longer, depending on if they actually get their shit together by 8.1 and fix the countless broken specs.

And before some smart-ass says "how do u kno dat da game is gonna b bad it isnt out yet!!!" , because somebody always does, remember that beta is a thing and most of us can see for ourselves how rushed and unfinished it is.

And no, I'm not saying I wanted another 14 month raid tier like SoO and HFC. But antorus has only been out 8 months. If they pushed the release back to early October or late September things would have probably been fine.

[Every Pwny]

They definitely didn't have that polish in WoD, I would say it wasn't there for Cata either. But I don't think they've had the "it'll be released when it's finished" mindset for a long time now.

[Wvvtayy]

They definitely didn't have that polish in WoD, I would say it wasn't there for Cata either. But I don't think they've had the "it'll be released when it's finished" mindset for a long time now.

WoD had the excuse of SoO being out 14 months already, giving it a reason to be rushed out at that point, and a dev team comprised of mostly new people. BfA has neither of those excuses, after the last two expansions having 14 month final tiers I think not many people would complain if Argus lasted 10 instead of 8 to ensure the expansion was actually finished.

Don't get me wrong, WoD was horrible, but it's circumstances played a big part in that, as contrasted to BfA.

[Cassidin]

My God how things have changed. Blizzard built a reputation on not releasing things until they're actually finished and to never rush anything. Hell, remember when they spent years working on Titan, then ended up scrapping the whole project just because it wasn't up to their standards? That wasn't that long ago. But now look, the devs are straight up admitting they didn't have enough time and the company forced them to rush the release, causing them to release an unfinished expansion that we'll have to deal with for months or longer, depending on if they actually get their shit together by 8.1 and fix the countless broken specs.

And before some smart-ass says "how do u kno dat da game is gonna b bad it isnt out yet!!!" , because somebody always does, remember that beta is a thing and most of us can see for ourselves how rushed and unfinished it is.

And no, I'm not saying I wanted another 14 month raid tier like SoO and HFC. But antorus has only been out 8 months. If they pushed the release back to early October or late September things would have probably been fine.

I believe one of the biggest issues here is related to "pre-purchase". They have to state a date that it will be "not after". If they release the game after that date - they are in breach of contract and in theory everyone who pre-purchased BfA are legally entitled to ask for their money back. They have commited themselves legally to a release date - or at least a date "no later than...." so they can't really delay it if they wanted to.

[Goundin]

It doesn't help when people QQ because it's taking so long either. Wait and get a better product or complain and get something that you'll cry about. People want something now and have the mindset it should be finished already but when you rush you onkymget Hald a completed product. Let Blizzard take their time.

[cparle87]

Sees whine thread. Reads title. See OP's name. Marks thread as waste of time and moves on.

[Wvvtayy]

I believe one of the biggest issues here is related to "pre-purchase". They have to state a date that it will be "not after". If they release the game after that date - they are in breach of contract and in theory everyone who pre-purchased BfA are legally entitled to ask for their money back. They have commited themselves legally to a release date - or at least a date "no later than...." so they can't really delay it if they wanted to.

Still not an excuse. They should have known it wouldn't be done by mid August.

[thesmall001]

It was a nice philosophy in a fairly uncontested market back in 2008, though I imagine the project managers had a permanent stress headache, but face facts: A lot more is now on the line and there are much larger business and marketing factors to consider than there once was. Not adhearing to those would be to flaunt common sense and miss out on their potential. So nowadays it'll be finished when it has to be and the rest can be hotfixed in -- an option that wasn't available back when they first said this.

[Dhrizzle]

I don't think that has ever applied to WoW. Vanilla launched absolutely riddled with bugs, with no PvP system, "under construction" signs around Hyjal and little quirks like "Captain Placeholder" teleporting players instead of boats.

They also launched with incomplete quests - The Missing Diplomat chain was left without an ending until late Wrath/pre-Cata at which point they had Wrynn turn up at Stormwind on his own and the chain ended basically saying you had wasted your time. The level 40 warlock mount was supposed to come with a quest but when you got there the NPC pretty much told you the devs hadn't written it yet so have a free horse.

[Arthzull]

As always Blizzard has internal testers, the builds we see on beta and PTR are several builds behind internal (Blizzard has said this in the past) what we see is not final and any bugs we see now will be fixed on release they always are, and any new bugs that pop up on live (which do happen because there is a difference between PTR, Beta and Live and new bugs pop up because everything can change once it hits live servers) and new live bugs usually get fixed in a few days after launch.

[Deleted]

Oh stop the self entitled BS!

When have the specs ever been "finished"? It's a freaking iterative game. The classes are NEVER finished.

Just cause they say they will make changes to shadow and shaman on 8.1 it's: "OMG the game isn't complete! The game isn't polished! Mucho crying manly tears!"

Give us a break. Grow up! The expansion has been content complete for months. Polish has been going on.
God, these forums are poison... can't you even wait until the game is about before starting your complaining? Jesus!

[Evilmoo]

That was Blizzard's mindset, company is now owned by Activision and activision shareholders care very little about anything that is not generating direct income like lootboxes.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

The base patch of Legion was pretty finished if not over finished.

[rda]

Lack of polish and things being woefully unfinished is indeed something that starts being noticeable with BFA. They did skim on things before, but BFA is a whole new level of skimming.

The devs are quite likely somewhat ashamed of what they have to ship, but the dates have been set and reducing effort is reducing effort. There's only so much time in a day or a week and if you are someone who is new to WoW code but now have to tend to it because experienced devs were moved to more promising projects, well, you do your best, but the end result will not be of high quality.

[Deleted]

It's nowhere near polished, much of the pre-BFA stuff was Unfinished Homework/10.

I'm certain at this point that Void Elf or Allied Race concept in general came out like the night before Blizzcon and they hastily edited content in for a slideshow image.

They didn't have time to the add additional barber shop haircuts, and some are rolling with just 3 skin colors, when they came out.

[Broken Fox]

It’s ironic that he fucked up the spelling of polish

[Wvvtayy]

It’s ironic that he fucked up the spelling of polish

Yeah it's called a typo

[Zaganite]

Blame the player base for wanting everything now and freaking out that there isn't enough content. How many times do you see on here people subbing for a month, getting what they want and subbing off again until next time.

Now it's not the full excuse but it's a lot to blame

[Protean]

My God how things have changed. Blizzard built a reputation on not releasing things until they're actually finished and to never rush anything. Hell, remember when they spent years working on Titan, then ended up scrapping the whole project just because it wasn't up to their standards? That wasn't that long ago. But now look, the devs are straight up admitting they didn't have enough time and the company forced them to rush the release, causing them to release an unfinished expansion that we'll have to deal with for months or longer, depending on if they actually get their shit together by 8.1 and fix the countless broken specs.

And before some smart-ass says "how do u kno dat da game is gonna b bad it isnt out yet!!!" , because somebody always does, remember that beta is a thing and most of us can see for ourselves how rushed and unfinished it is.

And no, I'm not saying I wanted another 14 month raid tier like SoO and HFC. But antorus has only been out 8 months. If they pushed the release back to early October or late September things would have probably been fine.

Longtime beta tester here.


It looks pretty fine to me. You state it's unfinished like we're supposed to know what you're talking about, probably as a tactic to disqualify the opinions of anyone who asks you to elaborate.

Please elaborate, what isn't actually finished enough for you? Be as specific as possible.

[beelgers]

Oh stop the self entitled BS!

When have the specs ever been "finished"? It's a freaking iterative game. The classes are NEVER finished.

Just cause they say they will make changes to shadow and shaman on 8.1 it's: "OMG the game isn't complete! The game isn't polished! Mucho crying manly tears!"

Give us a break. Grow up! The expansion has been content complete for months. Polish has been going on.
God, these forums are poison... can't you even wait until the game is about before starting your complaining? Jesus!

Pretty much. At what point has the game ever been "finished"? Admittedly, it was dumb for Ion to say that they're stopping major changes until the next patch probably, but I don't really see how that's really all that different from any other time we've been late into the beta.