jordan peterson does video calling nazis evil, gets rebuked by his fans in comments

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I finally figured out who he reminds me of - the dad from the old Twisted Sister video.
Stand up straight and clean up your room!

10/10 good stuff, this was a good thread on him : https://twitter.com/TheKavOfficial/s...02333614878720

[announced]

Gotta love people digging up YouTube comments as the gospel truth. Yep that must be exactly what his fans think.

[downnola]

10/10 good stuff, this was a good thread on him : https://twitter.com/TheKavOfficial/s...02333614878720

Reading that thread is like going to a party and seeing that lone neckbeard in a corner whispering to himself how intellectually superior he is to everyone in the room.

[lummiuster]

There are also several articles on the earth being flat, just google it - or ask Hammer-something for references.

That doesn't change the facts (and coincidentally the almost spherical earth will soon shadow the moon).

As for Japan surrendering before being nuked it is flat out wrong. (Considering that there was an attempted coup after trying to surrender after being nuked it also seems pretty farfetched.) What is more problematic is that some of the ones spreading that lie also deny the holocaust. That tells you a lot.

A common problem in early stages of Ph.D. students is that they think they know everything.

Yeah there are articles on the earth being flat. Go read it and then read articles that claim the earth is round and then judge by yourself.
The thing is you don't even want to do it with other alternatives of history. Go read about it, about what they say in other regions of the world. Then if it doesnt make sense for you or if it makes as much sense as the american rethoric then you decide whether you discard this version or not.
History is the domain with the most different versions.

You clearly don't know anything about Ph.D students. They most likely have read 10times more about a subject than you but are less confident about it because they understand the real complexity of the subjects. The previous comments all I kept doing is persuading you to read more.

[Forogil]

Yeah there are articles on the earth being flat. Go read it and then read articles that claim the earth is round and then judge by yourself.

Why should I?

The thing is you don't even want to do it with other alternatives of history.

I have read enough of them to see that the Japanese didn't surrender before the nuclear bombs - and didn't even see one bomb as enough, and also that the ones that sell the myth that Japan was ready to surrender often also peddle holocaust denial. (I haven't found the ones that are crazy enough to believe that Japan actually surrendered.)

You clearly don't know anything about Ph.D students. They most likely have read 10times more about a subject than you but are less confident about it because they understand the real complexity of the subjects.

I'm not saying that they are always over-confident, but that there is often a stage of severe over-confidence in Ph.D. students.

And you are not really selling the lack of over-confidence...

[lummiuster]

Why should I?


I have read enough of them to see that the Japanese didn't surrender before the nuclear bombs - and didn't even see one bomb as enough, and also that the ones that sell the myth that Japan was ready to surrender often also peddle holocaust denial. (I haven't found the ones that are crazy enough to believe that Japan actually surrendered.)


I'm not saying that they are always over-confident, but that there is often a stage of severe over-confidence in Ph.D. students.

And you are not really selling the lack of over-confidence...

Ok man, stop reading and keep believing all the non-sense that they put in your baka head

[Forogil]

Ok man, stop reading and keep believing all the non-sense that they put in your baka head

I never stop reading - but the difference is that actually consider the facts and don't swallow everything.

Thus it's straightforward to give references backing up my statement.

E.g. Wikipedia in this case provides a good set of links to what actually happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan
Whereas https://www.globalresearch.ca/ has provided both holocaust denial and "alternative facts" about the Japanese surrender.

You claim to be a Ph.D. student that is not over-confident and having read 10 times as much. You know that scientific papers usually have references, right?

[Paperfox]

I have read enough of them to see that the Japanese didn't surrender before the nuclear bombs - and didn't even see one bomb as enough, and also that the ones that sell the myth that Japan was ready to surrender often also peddle holocaust denial. (I haven't found the ones that are crazy enough to believe that Japan actually surrendered.)

When the decision to surrender was made by the Japanese Emperor, he made a recording that was couriered to a radio station to be broadcast so all Japanese and American forces could hear it.

The people in charge of their war council (I forget what the correct name was) was very much against a declaration of surrender and so tried to stop courier (he was attacked).

[Forogil]

When the decision to surrender was made by the Japanese Emperor, he made a recording that was couriered to a radio station to be broadcast so all Japanese and American forces could hear it.

The people in charge of their war council (I forget what the correct name was) was very much against a declaration of surrender and so tried to stop courier (he was attacked).

Pretty much, and still there are people who claim that Japan was ready to surrender before the nukes - and in this thread the even more ridiculous that they had surrendered.

[lummiuster]

I never stop reading - but the difference is that actually consider the facts and don't swallow everything.

Thus it's straightforward to give references backing up my statement.

E.g. Wikipedia in this case provides a good set of links to what actually happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan
Whereas https://www.globalresearch.ca/ has provided both holocaust denial and "alternative facts" about the Japanese surrender.

You claim to be a Ph.D. student that is not over-confident and having read 10 times as much. You know that scientific papers usually have references, right?

I told you to look for alternative rethoric from different regions and you went to look at a cheap website. Use a VPN, google translate and an official source from a foreign government. Maybe one day you will understand. People living in China, Russia, Iraq.. do their research using their local tool of research (google for some of them, some of google branch are banned in China/Russia/.. to prevent western biased rhetoric). They type what they search for in their language (which shows articles written by their local authors that you can't understand). Then they get different information than you.
You will discover a mine of gold of information if you do so, and will have a better understanding of world's conflict rather than just "this guy is a dictator because he is a bad guy and we have to kill him because we good guys". Then you will truly understand the line "History is written by the winner". Just go look for what the loser said.

[Forogil]

I told you to look for alternative rethoric from different regions and you went to look at a cheap website.

Because you failed to provide a shred of evidence supporting your statements, and in contrast to normal conspiracy theories you are not entertaining.

In fact there are three main problems with your "theory":
1. The facts as reported are different; Japan did only reluctantly surrender after getting nuked twice - and certainly not before that.
2. You have not presented a shred of evidence supporting your claims.
3. It explains nothing. If Japan had surrendered before it was nuked; why did the US delay accepting that until the Soviets declared war -so that they could divide Korea?

Use a VPN, google translate and an official source from a foreign government. Maybe one day you will understand. People living in China, Russia, Iraq.. do their research using their local tool of research (google for some of them, some of google branch are banned in China/Russia/.. to prevent western biased rhetoric). … Then you will truly understand the line "History is written by the winner".

But with regards to Japan in WWII China and Russia were on the "winning" side at the end, and "official sources" are not reliable in many countries.

(China also has a problem of anti-Japanese rhetoric clouding any explanation of that conflict, Russia's strength does not lie in its truth-telling.)

So, not only are your claims completely wrong, but you fail into the trap you accuse others of falling into.

And you still claim that there is nothing supporting the idea that Ph.D. students often fall into the trap of over-confidence?

[downnola]

Because you failed to provide a shred of evidence supporting your statements, and in contrast to normal conspiracy theories you are not entertaining.

In fact there are three main problems with your "theory":
1. The facts as reported are different; Japan did only reluctantly surrender after getting nuked twice - and certainly not before that.
2. You have not presented a shred of evidence supporting your claims.
3. It explains nothing. If Japan had surrendered before it was nuked; why did the US delay accepting that until the Soviets declared war -so that they could divide Korea?

#2 is the biggest sticking point here. You don't get to make grand claims about history and then tell people to do the legwork for you to sustain your argument. It's even more obnoxious when someone actually plays along with you, and then you evade even harder by dismissing their effort.

But that's how propagandists and conspiracy theorists work. Any evidence you could provide, regardless of methodology, is just evidence that you're brainwashed and being lied to. The onus isn't on them to prove their argument right, only that you're a sheep for thinking there is anything like an objective historical fact.

The only winning move with bad faith posters like that is to not play along with them.