Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Kithelle]

A chunk of that size would split the ocean and send tidal waves in all directions and still crash into the sea floor and cause a winter, just like in Deep Impact.

Now it kinda looked like it just landed there softly, barely an inconvenience.

Makes about as much sense as such a large chunk surviving this

[Cosmic Janitor]

Voted one star, though if 0.5 stars was an option I would have chosen it. I've never voted zero stars before since I've never thought any movie that makes it to release could ever earn a zero but I was sorely tempted in this instance. A mash up of really bad SJW influences from the last two movies combined with a plot/script that seemed condensed from 500 pages to 50 pages, 25 of which is badly executed fan service.

Easily one of the, if not THE, worst movies I've ever seen.

For reference, a 0 out of anything is something like "Foodfight!" and some might argue even that is at least a movie that has a picture and not just static. It's a movie that is literally bad at everything. As much as it pains me to say seeing how this one plays out, the cinematography is good enough, even if it's just the usual for JJ "Lensfalre" Abrams.

The OPs scale is just bogus, because unless you think of 0 stars as the 0-20% range (that might be valid again), you have no points for anything at that category. And the other steps cover 25% increments. The classical movie review scale is 1-5 stars, where 1 star comvers the 0-20% and so on. The choice for not having a 0 is very deliberate usually.

[Aurrora]

Think you need to read up on what large impacts on planets do dude.

But anyways the biggest problem I have is that non of the Jedi can cheat death or heal in the prime time of the Jedi order. It makes sure that Anakin fall down to the dark side.
Only one Sith being was able to heal and cheat death in all of Star Wars history.

We enter the Disney saga and we see Rey and Kylo heal and bring ppl back from the death like it is nothing I guess Disney says that the power of love is able to do this or some BS. We know that training and the years of study of the force is meaningless in Disney eyes but they just ruined the whole Anakin and Dark Vader plot with this movie I hope they realise that.

The Jedi did have healers, and Kylo didn't bring Rey back from the dead like it was nothing. They explained it earlier in the film when she healed the snake monster, she was giving it her life energy. Hence Kylo bringing her back from the dead killed him. They were also a "Force Dyad" so that probably played a factor in allowing this to happen.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Nope there are non worse then TLJ.
Even the Christmas special is better then that movie.

The good part of rise of Skywalker is that you don’t need TLJ.
You can go from episode 7 to 9 and you don’t miss anything big other then Snoke dies.

TLJ killed it, I would agree, but have you actually seen the christmas special? I doubt you have, because no, it isn't better by any reasonable metric. It is a variety show or absolute nonsense with a few disconnected vaguely star wars themed showings interspersed between the "acts" - that and literally half the actors gave up midway through the damn thing. Even as a joke, saying the cristmas special is better than anything is going too far..

[Ihavewaffles]

And how the fuck did Palpatine survive?


Also the Film LARGELY ignored TLJ

Do i even need to point out that one of the writers for this catastrophe was the writer of Dawn of JUSTice and JUST ICE league?

Audience score is high cuz the first people who saw film liked tlj...they are basically the same low standard in film moviegoers that go n see utter shit like transformers, they don't care about structure, logic, consistency, acting, none of that...

..all they want is explosions, lazerz, one-liners, popcorn..

But, audience score usually changes a lot, I foresee it will go way down after the herd had their say..

[Ragedaug]

I don't think you know how stupid a statement like that is - alright I'll put my personal issues out there for you

- complete character assassination of Luke Skywalker and Yoda to sell us Rey more
- Rey being the worst case of mary sue in hollywood for a long time
- the casino scene we really didn't need in a star wars movie
- snoke being absolutely wasted
- kylo turning good, then bad again cause lul
- everything about Holdo
- just a complete disrespect to both previous trilogies

TFA was literally just a new hope so it couldn't really go wrong - TLJ showed us how bad Disney were gonna handle this trilogy

Don't presume to tell me I don't know what I think to try and make a gotcha post - makes you look silly

Had to make a quick response. I LOL'd when he told you that you don't know what you think.

[Pury]

Very fragmented movie. Cringe...dumb joke...cringe...oh, this scene looks good!..dumb joke...another great scene, not bad!..cringe...end.

By the way, why the heck Kylo and Rey are connected? She is Palpatine, he is Vader. The Emperor and Darth Vader were master and apprentice, not relatives. Also Kylo and Rey both have dark side origin, so it is not like they are somehow light and dark side manifistations in balance with each other. I don't get it.

Still, their Jedi Skype talks, and battles, and items getting moved through space between them were the best scenes in the entire movie.
They are like game characters in an RPG and have access to each other's inventory

[tromage2]

I won't even bother trying to appease or rationalize with the haters. Most the people talking shit about the movie haven't even seen it as was proof when this poll was first put up. I for one really like the movie. I gave it 3/4 stars, but if I could it'd be 3.5 or an 8/10.

Lol, so why even type this when you got that opinion.
So you like the movie good for you now start accepting that others think it is a mess and full of mistakes.

[Sanguinerd]

Lol, so why even type this when you got that opinion.

It's how insecure sheeple find comfort in having a stupid opinion. I'm sure you know the old saying the best defense is a good offense.

It's always the same drivel, it's not that he won't rationalize how shit this movie is - it's that he can't.

[Ragedaug]

Audience score is high cuz the first people who saw film liked tlj...they are basically the same low standard in film moviegoers that go n see utter shit like transformers, they don't care about structure, logic, consistency, acting, none of that...

..all they want is explosions, lazerz, one-liners, popcorn..

But, audience score usually changes a lot, I foresee it will go way down after the herd had their say..

A lot of the folks who liked TLJ hate TRoS, so I'm not sure where you are getting your info. I'm definitely curious. The critics who got to see it first hate it (but they love TLJ pushing it to a 91% critic rating). Almost 9 out of 10 of the first 5,000 random audience members like it, so that gives me hope that while you can slide your critic glasses down to the end of your nose and point out flaws (mah pacing! macguffins!! DISNEY!!!!), people still enjoyed it. I'm hoping to see it next week, so I suppose time will tell.

[Ragedaug]

It's a forum, I gave my opinion. Don't like it. Too bad.

Right, but what I think Tromage2 is asking is, why would you bother to let everyone know what your opinion is when it doesn't match Tromage2's opinion, thus making it wrong. (I think that's how it works from years of reading MMO-C)

Also

TLJ Critics score 91%, audience score Terrible. = TLJ is a terrible movie.
RoS Critics were mixed, but the audience has enjoyed it = RoS is a terrible movie.

You people are clowns, and you don't want to have an actual discussion so why would I bother?

This is the part I don't get. I saw someone who hated TLJ cry huge crocodile tears about how bad RoS was going to be based off the critic rating, when that same person made a big deal to talk about the critics being dead wrong by the fact that they loved TLJ. When I saw the 58% splat on RT I made an audible cheer. I love the fact that that so many critics hate it, which gave me hope RoS may be fun to watch.

[Sondrelk]

I do find the sequel trilogy intriguing for mostly proving the theory i came to after seing TFA.

Each Star Wars movie trilogy has seemingly been measured almost solely by its relation to teh second movie.
Not many people talk about the awkward line reads or weird comedy in 4, or the ewoks in 6. Most remember the original trilogy for 5.
Few people talk about the good effects and varied worlds of 1, or the operatic scale and dramatic irony of 6, they just remember the awful lines of 2.

Similarly the sequel trilogy is probably going to be remembered as not the trilogy that had a return to more practical effects, but instead a trilogy at odds with itself that had a massive detour into a dead-end with 8, before scrambling to get to a point and accidentally ending up exactly where it started.

[Ragedaug]

I do find the sequel trilogy intriguing for mostly proving the theory i came to after seing TFA.

Each Star Wars movie trilogy has seemingly been measured almost solely by its relation to teh second movie.
Not many people talk about the awkward line reads or weird comedy in 4, or the ewoks in 6. Most remember the original trilogy for 5.
Few people talk about the good effects and varied worlds of 1, or the operatic scale and dramatic irony of 6, they just remember the awful lines of 2.

Similarly the sequel trilogy is probably going to be remembered as not the trilogy that had a return to more practical effects, but instead a trilogy at odds with itself that had a massive detour into a dead-end with 8, before scrambling to get to a point and accidentally ending up exactly where it started.

You may be right, but I have to believe there's a chance this breaks the mold and people who didn't like TLJ will use RoS as an excuse to ignore TLJ.

Rian Johnson called his own movie "a Star Wars genre film", which I take it his way to say he really doesn't consider it part of the original SW story. If he did I would expect him to call it just "a Star Wars film". So I'm fine with removing it from my SW head canon, even if Disney keeps it in the official canon.

[tromage2]

It's a forum, I gave my opinion. Don't like it. Too bad. I've also never given a shit what other people think.

So why be on a forum if you don’t care what other ppl think?
Makes a discussion platform of a forum pretty pointless in my opinion ofc.
But maybe I get the concept of a forum wrong and only statements should be posted and we should not react to others.

[Sanguinerd]

You may be right, but I have to believe there's a chance this breaks the mold and people who didn't like TLJ will use RoS as an excuse to ignore TLJ.

You could skip TLJ and not feel like you missed anything really. The few things of importance that happen during TLJ get adressed in the first 10 minutes or so and you're good to go. Alot gets purposefully ignored or in some cases even made fun of too.

[Balrog]

You may be right, but I have to believe there's a chance this breaks the mold and people who didn't like TLJ will use RoS as an excuse to ignore TLJ.

Considering TROS feels like episodes 8 and 9 mashed together and ignores TLJ as much as possible, I agree with you. In fact, I expect a future fan-cut of TROS that includes the only important parts of TLJ (so really.. base evacuation, Luke training, Snoke death and end battle).. would make TROS 3 hours long or so but at least we wouldn't have TLJ to fuck the trilogy up.

[Ragedaug]

So why be on a forum if you don’t care what other ppl think?
Makes a discussion platform of a forum pretty pointless in my opinion ofc.
But maybe I get the concept of a forum wrong and only statements should be posted and we should not react to others.

So first you are mad that he gets on a forum to give his opinion, then you get mad that he's here and doesn't care about yours? I dunno, I'm having a tough time following where you are going with this.

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You could skip TLJ and not feel like you missed anything really. The few things of importance that happen during TLJ get addressed in the first 10 minutes or so and you're good to go. A lot gets purposefully ignored or in some cases even made fun of too.

Music to my ears. Trying not to get hyped up, but the more I hear about RoS and it giving a big middle finger to TLJ, the more I'm looking forward to seeing it.

[Osoroshii]

I feel like the Force Awakens should have kept his helmet on the whole movie and it ended with Kylo taking his Helmet off after killing Han. And the 2nd film be about Kylo.

And the 3rd about Rey.

And flip it so he went good and she went bad.

That would have "subverted expectations" but in a more interesting way.

Honestly, that sounds like it would have been pretty interesting.

[Sondrelk]

You may be right, but I have to believe there's a chance this breaks the mold and people who didn't like TLJ will use RoS as an excuse to ignore TLJ.

The movie itself seems insistent on making people forget TLJ even happened. The only thing of note that happens between the films that is carried over is Luke and Snoke being dead, and the resistance having fewer ships. And even that hardly seems to matter.

Luke being dead makes no practical difference beyond Rey using his lightsaber, and we learn Snoke was Palpatine all along, so who cares what happened to him in the last movie.
Rey's parents being nobodies? The one twist that worked both thematically and for her story? Gone, turns out she was important all along, no need to worry about that.
The end of the Skywalker line? Clearly Rey is a part of Disney and understands branding, seeing as she decides to change her name to Skywalker in the end.


I on't think the movie is terrible overall, the acting is solid enough aside from a few standouts. And the comedy was decent enough, aside from C3PO, who is more obnoxious and punchable than all the previous movied combined.
In the end though the greatest sin of the sequel movies are being so completely pointless, and utterly devoid of passion and a soul, that it simply ends up leaving no discernible impact beyond the meta of what is around it.

The original trilogy is one i find highly overrated. But as a movie of that time it works, and it could be said to have revolutionized the way a Hollywood blockbuster is told.
The Prequels bear all the marks of a passion project. The story is rich and the themes deep, even if it showed conclusively that George Lucas should be held away from the directors chair with tazers if necessary.

The Sequels are a pure corporate product, it offers nothing new and seems to insist that what the audiences enjoy most about Star Wars is the name and other superficial elements.

[tromage2]

So first you are mad that he gets on a forum to give his opinion, then you get mad that he's here and doesn't care about yours? I dunno, I'm having a tough time following where you are going with this.

I was not mad, I said good for you for liking the movie.
I just don’t understand why you would tell ppl with a different opinion then your own that they have not seen the movie because something like that makes no sense to me.