Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Dwarfhamster]

Rey going to the Dark Side doesn’t seem all that bizarre. I’ve always got the impression that she struggled to stay away from it, while Kylo struggled to be part of it.

Great way of framing it.

[Masser]

That stupid foldable lightsaber only exists so that disney can sell more toys. It's disgusting.

[Shadowferal]

*shrugs*
The script and acting can be total shit.
But Disney fanbois will be just that.

[RampageBW1]

That stupid foldable lightsaber only exists so that disney can sell more toys. It's disgusting.

Since when was Star Wars *not* selling toys?

[Rageadon]

Rey isnt turning dark come on now dont be silly.

Agree it's just to promo the movie, hype it, it will most likely be something boring as "if you do x you will become sith" and then kylo or something is giving her a vision or some bullcrap.

this new trilogy has been a train-wreck since the last jedi

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That stupid foldable lightsaber only exists so that disney can sell more toys. It's disgusting.

Wait that’s disgusting? Not the part where Lucas replaced wookies with Ewoks to sell more toys thus making the empire beaten by teddy bears with sticks and blow pipes?

[tyrlaan]

*shrugs*
The script and acting can be total shit.
But Disney fanbois will be just that.

*shrugs*
The script and acting can be total awesomesauce.
But Disney haters will be just that.

And then there's people who don't operate in extremes and will pass judgment on a film after they see it.

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Wait that’s disgusting? Not the part where Lucas replaced wookies with Ewoks to sell more toys thus making the empire beaten by teddy bears with sticks and blow pipes?

Lol right? Damn, Kashykk (sp?) would have been so much better AND made more sense.

People should have seen the signs in RotJ and known that drek would follow. Sadly, I fell for it and was one of the first to be disappointed by Episode 1... literally one of the suckers that went to a midnight showing.

[PACOX]

Why waste all that time with Anakin showing his fall to the Dark Side, only to have him redeem himself at the last minute?
Why show Luke struggling with the Dark Side, and nearly falling to it multiple times, only to have him overcome that temptation in the end?

They've also shown Rey being really open to the Dark Side, drawn to it. Like, explicitly, having Luke specifically say that right out loud to the audience, so you couldn't miss it.

Not all character development is positive. If this trilogy is meant to ape Eps IV-VI in basic structure, but they want to do something "new", transplanting Anakin's fall onto Rey is a good twist, and they've laid that groundwork. It sets the stage for Eps X-XII to be Ben Solo redeeming his path, and working to save/kill Rey, who's fallen completely to the Dark Side in a way "Kylo" never really did. It's telling, for instance, that Ben felt a need to name the character he was trying to be; it isn't who Ben Solo really is.

Ive thought of that but I'm stuck on the possession/clone theory since Sidious is pulling the strings.

Rey's 'pull to the dark side' is also a plot device used for everyone who has touched a lightsaber. Movie characters, cartoons, books, all of them do the 'ooo they are being pulled to the dark side' thing. It's there favorite red herring that's only played itself out full a handful of times.

[Rafoel]

That stupid foldable lightsaber only exists so that disney can sell more toys. It's disgusting.

There are hundreds of wrong things with new SW, but lightsaber design? Really? That's your problem?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean, Star Wars has always been shit. Its worse shit now IMHO. but its never been high art or anything like that.

You really want to argue that a flipping saber is worse then the empire being brought down by teddy bears with wooden spears?

[Shadowferal]

And then there's people who don't operate in extremes and will pass judgment on a film after they see it.

Have you ever said ANYthing bad about any Disney piece of shit?
No.
No, it's always been nothing but praise from you.

[Endus]

Ive thought of that but I'm stuck on the possession/clone theory since Sidious is pulling the strings.

Rey's 'pull to the dark side' is also a plot device used for everyone who has touched a lightsaber. Movie characters, cartoons, books, all of them do the 'ooo they are being pulled to the dark side' thing. It's there favorite red herring that's only played itself out full a handful of times.

I'm not entirely against the clone thing, I just don't think we're going to have multiple Reys. I think there might have BEEN multiples, but the others all failed for some reason, and Rey's the only one that's viable.

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I haven’t seen this in any source material. Where’d you get the impression he was masking his appearance?

I really don't think he was; it's fairly clear his appearance takes on that wizened look after he pulls too much in that one fight.

[tyrlaan]

Have you ever said ANYthing bad about any Disney piece of shit?
No.
No, it's always been nothing but praise from you.

Objectively false. Selectively reading my posts to support your bitching doesn't really qualify as posting in good faith.

But your spazzing at me is besides the point. Passing judgment on a film after you see it makes a lot more sense then calling it shit or a masterpiece before you see it. This statement does not become false because you can't get past your misconceptions about me.

[Wangming]

Actually I like the idea of an evil Clone Rey. Imagine all the crazyness as they switch places. They keep kidnapping each other to spy on the other team. This is pure gold.

[Endus]

Objectively false. Selectively reading my posts to support your bitching doesn't really qualify as posting in good faith.

But your spazzing at me is besides the point. Passing judgment on a film after you see it makes a lot more sense then calling it shit or a masterpiece before you see it. This statement does not become false because you can't get past your misconceptions about me.

I mean, I don't think anyone is arguing that TLJ is the shining gem of the series. That's ESB. TLJ has a lot of issues with pacing and framing, and some silly conceits (slow-flying "bombers" trying to carpet-bomb a ship, slow chase scene through space when you've got energy weapons), but even the latter are largely down to trying to use WWII-era tactics translated into space, where they never really work, not a problem unique to Star Wars and definitely not the first time it's cropped up in Star Wars. The idea that a single exhaust port in a structure the size of the Death Star leads right into the core without any obstruction, for instance, is colossally dumb, but that was the finale in ANH. Yes, Rogue One tried to fix it, but that we NEEDED Rogue One to fix it, and that it went unfixed for nearly 40 years without much complaint makes the complaints about TLJ more than a bit silly. See also Lucas forgetting that "parsecs" are a unit of distance and having to retcon THAT multiple times to try and retroactively make it not-stupid.

I don't agree that TLJ is the worst film in the franchise; TPM takes that, by a really wide margin. I'd probably peg TLJ higher than any of the prequels, but part of that is admittedly the stink of TPM affecting the others.

Does any of this have anything to do with Disney? For fucksakes, no. I'll criticize Disney plenty. They're not the problem with Star Wars. The "worst" things they're doing are things Lucas was always doing, even with the original trilogy.

[Shadowferal]

Well, clones would fit in...connecting to the other "Clone" movie.
Not sure that such would be a good movie to refer back to however.

[StillMcfuu]

I'd be way in for a Rey going darkside scenario, that kind of ballsy writing would save this series for me. It would tie well into TLJ which was just awful and improve it overall.

But im extremely pessimistic, mainly because of Disney and their marketing.

Still, the set piece of fighting on the remains of a Deathstar kind of has me all in for this. I really wasn't before, but that looks enticing.

[tyrlaan]

I mean, I don't think anyone is arguing that TLJ is the shining gem of the series. That's ESB. TLJ has a lot of issues with pacing and framing, and some silly conceits (slow-flying "bombers" trying to carpet-bomb a ship, slow chase scene through space when you've got energy weapons), but even the latter are largely down to trying to use WWII-era tactics translated into space, where they never really work, not a problem unique to Star Wars and definitely not the first time it's cropped up in Star Wars. The idea that a single exhaust port in a structure the size of the Death Star leads right into the core without any obstruction, for instance, is colossally dumb, but that was the finale in ANH. Yes, Rogue One tried to fix it, but that we NEEDED Rogue One to fix it, and that it went unfixed for nearly 40 years without much complaint makes the complaints about TLJ more than a bit silly. See also Lucas forgetting that "parsecs" are a unit of distance and having to retcon THAT multiple times to try and retroactively make it not-stupid.

I don't agree that TLJ is the worst film in the franchise; TPM takes that, by a really wide margin. I'd probably peg TLJ higher than any of the prequels, but part of that is admittedly the stink of TPM affecting the others.

Does any of this have anything to do with Disney? For fucksakes, no. I'll criticize Disney plenty. They're not the problem with Star Wars. The "worst" things they're doing are things Lucas was always doing, even with the original trilogy.

Aye, agree with all of this.

[RobertoCarlos]

TPM had pod racing and Darth Maul.

That alone is cooler than anything in TLJ. Also it doesnt have dogs running away from a casino. Or Leia turning into Jean Grey

So yeah.

[PACOX]

The hype continues.