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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Except not because the context and policies surrounding the surge of unaccompanied minors that took place under Obama and the Trump administrations voluntary decision to begin a policy of kidnapping children from their parents are two very different things.

    Context matters, yo.
    Getting separated from your kids because you got yourself arrested isn't kidnapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerStoner View Post
    Getting separated from your kids because you got yourself arrested isn't kidnapping.
    You are misrepresenting what is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerStoner View Post
    Getting separated from your kids because you got yourself arrested isn't kidnapping.
    You missed the part where kids are not re-united with their parents after the parents get deported.

    ...oh and all the torture in those camps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    You think Mexico is safe?
    Why aren't these kids going to Costa Rica or Panama? Those countries closer, don't require crossing a thousand miles of desert, and they have lower violent crime rates than the US.

    Also, plenty of areas of Mexico are peaceful and gorgeous. There are shithole areas because of gangs just like in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    You are misrepresenting what is happening.
    No, I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varitok View Post
    I always hate that line of thought, makes no sense. It literally just normalizes hate and sounds like Libertarian garbage.
    You don't have to hate someone to refuse service to their distructive goals. You just have to have a spine and proper moral compass. It says a lot about you and your agenda to see such a statement made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerStoner View Post
    Getting separated from your kids because you got yourself arrested isn't kidnapping.
    If the government has no policies, systems, or even plans in place to reuinite the children and their parents, yes it is.

    Also, families who claimed asylum at the boarder, which they are legally allowed to do, also had their children kidnapped. They did not enter illegally nor were they arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerStoner View Post
    Getting separated from your kids because you got yourself arrested isn't kidnapping.
    Funny, that didn't happen under any other administration, except in the most extreme cases, like violent criminals. Otherwise, families were normally kept together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    You missed the part where kids are not re-united with their parents after the parents get deported.

    ...oh and all the torture in those camps.
    Is this after the individuals were able to show they were related? If so, that isn't suppose to happen at all. Unfortunately, plenty of people will try to cross the border with kids that aren't theirs because they think it will increase their chances of getting into the country or because they're actually human traffickers trying to avoid serious charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    You missed the part where kids are not re-united with their parents after the parents get deported.

    ...oh and all the torture in those camps.
    And it was happening to REFUGEES and not just criminals. Refugees that followed the proper protocol and they were still separated and deported without their kids. That is kidnapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerStoner View Post
    Is this after the individuals were able to show they were related? If so, that isn't suppose to happen at all. Unfortunately, plenty of people will try to cross the border with kids that aren't theirs because they think it will increase their chances of getting into the country or because they're actually human traffickers trying to avoid serious charges.
    Nice, go right to conspiracy theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerStoner View Post
    Is this after the individuals were able to show they were related? If so, that isn't suppose to happen at all. Unfortunately, plenty of people will try to cross the border with kids that aren't theirs because they think it will increase their chances of getting into the country or because they're actually human traffickers trying to avoid serious charges.
    Locking up child refugees is one thing, but separating the, forever, from their parents with this excuse? really? Do you even have any morals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    And it was happening to REFUGEES and not just criminals. Refugees that followed the proper protocol and they were still separated and deported without their kids. That is kidnapping.
    Did they cross at an official US crossing and claim asylum? If they didn't and were picked up by boarder patrol just randomly crossing somewhere along the border it pretty much kills their chances of claiming refugee status.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Nice, go right to conspiracy theories.
    Do you live here in the US? Call up a border patrol office and ask them how often human traffickers and drug dealers try to claim children that aren't theirs. DHS never even released how many of the kids they detained were ever with a parent or legal guardian to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Locking up child refugees is one thing, but separating the, forever, from their parents with this excuse? really? Do you even have any morals?
    Yes, I'm moral enough not to send my kids across the desert with human traffickers that will claim to be their mom or dad at the US border most likely after molesting or raping them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerStoner View Post
    Did they cross at an official US crossing and claim asylum? If they didn't and were picked up by boarder patrol just randomly crossing somewhere along the border it pretty much kills their chances of claiming refugee status.


    Do you live here in the US? Call up a border patrol office and ask them how often human traffickers and drug dealers try to claim children that aren't theirs. DHS never even released how many of the kids they detained were ever with a parent or legal guardian to begin with.

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    Yes, I'm moral enough not to send my kids across the desert with human traffickers that will claim to be their mom or dad at the US border most likely after molesting or raping them.
    Yes, they crossed at official US crossings and claiming asylum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerStoner View Post
    Yes, I'm moral enough not to send my kids across the desert with human traffickers that will claim to be their mom or dad at the US border most likely after molesting or raping them.
    Mind showing your sources that all those locked up kids are being sent alone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Mind showing your sources that all those locked up kids are being sent alone?
    The millions and millions of kids reporting indecent touching that we see in the news every day, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    The millions and millions of kids reporting indecent touching that we see in the news every day, of course.
    You’re seeing millions and millions of kids reporting touching? What kind of child porn are you watching?

    I on the other hand believe this:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...d-down-n900306

    “It’s technically not torture”

    Seems to be a common thing with this administration
    “It’s technically not a crime”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    You’re seeing millions and millions of kids reporting touching? What kind of child porn are you watching?

    I on the other hand believe this:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...d-down-n900306

    “It’s technically not torture”

    Seems to be a common thing with this administration
    “It’s technically not a crime”
    Huh, so there aren't millions of newspaper articles about tortured kids? What a shock. Perhaps the statement is wrong then!

    Sorry, I thought it was obvious enough that I didn't need the /s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Huh, so there aren't millions of newspaper articles about tortured kids? What a shock. Perhaps the statement is wrong then!

    Sorry, I thought it was obvious enough that I didn't need the /s.
    You should know by now, Poe's Law has been in nonstop effect for the past 2-3 years now. It's not just places like the Landover Baptist Church site where it's applicable, it's an internet-wide thing : (

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Huh, so there aren't millions of newspaper articles about tortured kids? What a shock. Perhaps the statement is wrong then!

    Sorry, I thought it was obvious enough that I didn't need the /s.
    Sorry dude, thunderaan or whatever broke my poe/sarcasm detector this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    You should know by now, Poe's Law has been in nonstop effect for the past 2-3 years now. It's not just places like the Landover Baptist Church site where it's applicable, it's an internet-wide thing : (
    I remember a time when the internet was considered a dark place where everything was sarcastic by default... When did we turn into fantasy lala land where the crazy is the new normal?

    I remember when it happened to me. 9/11 happened and an Australian friend I was chatting with in those days immediately said "This is going to change the world" I said "How?" and she said "Americans will overreact and the whole world will be different, this is really, really bad"

    I scoffed at her, but in hindsight. I should probably ask her for lottery numbers. She was bang on the buck, she even predicted Iraq. Something that seemed inconceivable to me. Back in 2001, mere days after the attack, she predicted that Bush would fuck Iraq up, basically to finish what his dad started. So unreal. I became a lot more sarcastic after that. The disappointment in humanity I have these days cannot possibly be described in words. And I'm not talking about the third world, I'm talking about the Western World that is supposed to be the beacon of progress. The fuck we are. The third world is probably scratching their heads going "Well, we could do that. What's so special about them?"

    I don't know why I'm rambling... I hate the internet's destructive unregulation these days. Fantasies are sold as truths and there are no repercussions whatsoever. Humanity will have to learn to read all over again. Only this time, it's not actual reading because printing presses made it so important, this time it's learning how to evaluate information and filter the bullshit from the actual facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    Sorry dude, thunderaan or whatever broke my poe/sarcasm detector this morning.
    No worries, I'm a cynical person sometimes. Not everyone enjoys the freaky ride on the dark train.
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    I am saying they wanted a Muslim ban, he said he would get one, and this was the closest they could come to having one.
    Well, I told you multiple times that part is true, so I think we can put this one to bed.

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