It depend of how many people you got in your party, you can save more or less.
There is no oficial population recount in wow. Population must be much bigger than we think, or directly we would not have enough soldiers to kill each other.
In wikias said gnomes got a population of 3000-5000, but if that was true, and we kill 1000 in undum with that fire ball, the race whould be almost extincted and would not participate in wars, so add some 0000 after the population numbers that mark you in the wikis.
"you people" wtf? Did you ever read the thread? The amount of people that has problem with reading compehension on this site is just too many.
No one said anything about Alliance winning. It's thread about Horde losing battle for the Undercity. They retreated, they left their city. Why? Because they lost the battle, they couldn't handle Alliance overwhelming power. That's the point of this thread. Horde used blight because they knew they have no chances in toe-to-toe, so they decided that if they can't win, then no one will get the city.
So, not gonna answer for my last question? Keep avoiding uncomfortable questions that could prove you wrong. Fine.
According to me, your arguments don't have any sense.
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That was really my bigger issue with it. This battle wasn't about strategy. It was about pulling out one superweapon after another. Oh Sylvanas can glide through dudes and melt them. Oh hey Anduin can heal an entire battlefield. Oh hey the Horde has a massive Azerite tank that SI:7 somehow didn't find despite the city being full of them. Oh hey Anduin can destroy the tank with his sword. Oh hey we have enough blight not only to bathe the battlefield, but to make a big bomb as well. Oh hey Sylvanas can now raise an entire army by herself, who the fuck even needs Val'kyr amirite. Oh hey Jaina comes and saves the Alliance. Oh hey now Alleria comes and saves the Alliance. Oh hey Sylvanas can fly like Team Rocket now.
The Horde's array of superweapons were at least the product of planning (minus Sylvanas's major power-up) which lessens the blow, while the Alliance pulled out one Deus Ex Machine after the other which makes the entire affair really unsatisfying if you ask me. I'm not asking for Anduin to pull a Robb Stark and be a tactical genius that can hide a surprise Gnomish mecha behind a tree near Lordaeron's gate, but more planning and foreshadowing all around would have made this a lot more satisfying and a lot less seem like a bad cartoon where the heroes thoughtlessly rush in and thwart the scheming villain's nefarious team-killing schemes through the powers of plot and friendship.
It's funny how you complain that I'm "dodging" your question, yet you see no problem in dodging mine.
The question here isn't why the city would fall into Alliance's hands. The question here is if the Horde won or lost the battle. Which they won. They thwarted the every single Alliance's objectives in that battle. The city is out of Alliance's hands, and Sylvanas is still "alive" and free.
So many pages in this thread... So be it if you want you can treat this battle as won and end this topic.
Lordaeron as a land mass is far, far more important than the capital city, which was already blighted to begin with.
The biggest security thorn in the Alliance's side is now gone.
Literally half the continent - minus the easily contained Quel'thalas - is under Alliance control, presumably including Argent territory since they were pretty much wiped out at the Broken Shore. Considering how important land appears to be on the relatively small - even in-universe scale - that's pretty important.
Gilneas is as good as Genn's again.
The Blight bombing at the end didn't do much but shake the leaders a bit since Anduin had the troops withdraw to Brill anyway.
The Horde lost it's greatest tactician who looks set to possibly turn traitor.
The Horde's leadership is falling apart internally faster than it did under Garrosh.
The only fact you stated up there was Sylvanas blighting her own city.
"Sylvanas losing the battle" is not a fact. Sylvanas did not intend to overpower the Alliance's and push them back. The trap worked to deliver a massive blow to the Alliance's forces and to keep her city from falling into Alliance's hands. She foiled every single objective the Alliance set out to do (capture Lordaeron and Sylvanas) and that means she won.