Can the Alliance plz get one big victory in BfA?

[God Dragon]

Turaloyn and Alleria did more against the Legion?

They didnt have a single victory of note.

The Alliance and Horde killed Archimonde
Sylvanas made Balnazzar and Varimathras look like fucking idiots in Wc3 and in WoW events.
The Blood Elves Repelled Kil'jaeden from Azeroth at the Sunwell.

Alleria and Turalyon accomplished nothing across 10k years until Azeroth and Illidan came in and destroyed the entire Legion in a month.

Then the Fanatics return and start licking Anduins boots. and having fanatical worship comparable to Yrel and we know exactly how that pans out don't we. Even better look a Turalyons dialogue to Lady Liiadrin in Battle for Arathi. or look at how much of a hateful beast Alleria has become towards the Blood Elves and Sylvanas.

Yes Turalyon and alleria did more against the legion than any horde character. How does balnazzar made to look like an idiot in wow by sylvanas? And doesnt the paladin player kill him for ashbringer? somehow making him and varimathris look foolish is an accomplishment on par with actively fighting the burning legion on their turf for 10k years?

The alliance and horde dont kill archimonde? Malfurion blows a horn with a bunch of wisps that do? Unless you mean WoD which is only thanks to khadgar and the rings.

Blood elves repelled unsummoned KJ cool. Velen alleria and turalyon were part of the force that beat the legion.
Illidan does not come in by himself and beat the legion you are so full of shit its ridiculous. Once again making up bull shit and half truths to pretend you have a point.

Illidan, velen and an army with a fucking spaceship came to help the lightforged.

You didn't argue at all about genn having more lore than nathanos because you know you were lying.
You didn't argue that sylvanas wasn't in the spot light at all until BFA because you know you were lying.
You didn't argue that the only time sylvanas/garrosh got popular was when blizzard made them look like potential raid bosses.
You didn't argue that sylvanas didn't get her main story stolen by human characters.

Instead you added random tidbits of lore to try to make it look like turalyon and alleria did nothing. All you guys do is ignore my points and keep adding more unimportant bull shit to keep your pathetic argument going. You are wrong get over it.

[Thetruth1400]

Just another Alliance jerkoff thread by this guy. Cause Siege of Orgrimmar never happened /eyeroll.

How in any way what that an Alliance victory?

Horde were the ones that wanted to remove their despot leader; Alliance helped.
The Horde could have been crushed, but the Alliance went, "Nah, you behave, we're going home."
All the lands the Horde gained were kept by the Horde, including, you know, the Worgen homelands of Gilneas.

The writing for SoO was just as crappy as it is for this expansion lead in. Horde did something, Alliance reacted. What's being asked for is Alliance to initiate something and actually come out with some kind, any kind, of victory at the end of it.

Sure, Lordaeron was Alliance initiated, but only as a reaction to the Horde's actions in Darnassus. Even then, the only ones that can occupy it are the Forsaken as they're unaffected by the blight. Jaina froze the blight, but that doesn't remove it. Removing it is something that has been, lore wise, known to be extremely hard if not nearly impossible to do. So far, the only thing we know that clears it is the red dragons, but they've been severely weakened thanks to the events of Cataclysm.

[God Dragon]

So, one single zone helping Druids, and the Green Dragonflight, you mean? Both of which whom are neutral? Got it.

But when you go to thralls wedding he is neutral right? Infact he is STILL neutral meanwhile malfurion and tyrande are not, they are alliance characters and tried to stop the horde from taking teldrasil which is more than thrall did for the horde after going neutral in cata. Typical alliance hypocrisy.

Either way lets pretend what you said is a counter argument which is isnt. All i need to say is yes. You said give you an example of when the horde has to do something like when you had to sit through thralls marriage quest line. I did.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

But when you go to thralls wedding he is neutral right? Infact he is STILL neutral meanwhile malfurion and tyrande are not, they are alliance characters and tried to stop the horde from taking teldrasil which is more than thrall did for the horde after going neutral in cata. Typical alliance hypocrisy.

Either way lets pretend what you said is a counter argument which is isnt. All i need to say is yes. You said give you an example of when the horde has to do something like when you had to sit through thralls marriage quest line. I did.

No, Thrall is not neutral.

No, the whole zone was not dedicated to Malfurion and Tyrande. Thats an exaggeration and a lie. It was 95% druids and corruption and Green Dragons....

You won't win here with blatant lies dude.

[Darkeon]

How in any way what that an Alliance victory?

Horde were the ones that wanted to remove their despot leader; Alliance helped.

In a faction based MMORPG, that's the best you'll get.

You saved the day. You won't completely beat the Horde. Game mechanics are more important than whiny alliance desires.

[God Dragon]

How in any way what that an Alliance victory?

Horde were the ones that wanted to remove their despot leader; Alliance helped.
The Horde could have been crushed, but the Alliance went, "Nah, you behave, we're going home."
All the lands the Horde gained were kept by the Horde, including, you know, the Worgen homelands of Gilneas.

The writing for SoO was just as crappy as it is for this expansion lead in. Horde did something, Alliance reacted. What's being asked for is Alliance to initiate something and actually come out with some kind, any kind, of victory at the end of it.

Sure, Lordaeron was Alliance initiated, but only as a reaction to the Horde's actions in Darnassus. Even then, the only ones that can occupy it are the Forsaken as they're unaffected by the blight. Jaina froze the blight, but that doesn't remove it. Removing it is something that has been, lore wise, known to be extremely hard if not nearly impossible to do. So far, the only thing we know that clears it is the red dragons, but they've been severely weakened thanks to the events of Cataclysm.

Such a unbelievably stupid argument... oh my gosh why do people keep repeating this?
No the horde were not the only ones that wanted to remove garrosh, the alliance had just as much of a reason and it is seen in the final phase of garrosh's fight. Jaina, varian, anduin, rodgers, tyrande, genn all of these people had reasons to hate garrosh and want him dethroned. You helped because if you did not the horde would have lost to garrosh and then the alliance would have also lost to him.

Horde dont keep gilneas.

No what you guys are asking for is to initiate something and win. You won in org but it wasn't enough because the horde didnt get dismantled. You just want to roflstomp the horde and win the game. Horde dont initiate and win the horde gets forced to initiate and splinters and loses while the alliance has initial loss and ends up stronger.

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No, Thrall is not neutral.

No, the whole zone was not dedicated to Malfurion and Tyrande. Thats an exaggeration and a lie. It was 95% druids and corruption and Green Dragons....

You won't win here with blatant lies dude.

How is thrall not neutral? What has he done for the horde against the alliance after cataclysm? He isnt a member of the horde, he gives doomhammer to alliance players, he sits in dalaran and is never hostile to the alliance or their leaders ever.

The main story of the zone was malfurion and tyrande. Its not an exaggeration or a lie... the climax is all about saving malfurion.

Its not blatant lies you just refuse to accept that just like you sat through a stupid orc wedding horde had to help 2 alliance lore characters find eachother.

Jesus christ you alliance players are so full of yourselves. You literally just said Thrall who has not done a single hostile action towards the alliance since he went neutral in cata is still horde but you also say Malfurion and tyrande are neutral when we just see them fighting horde characters in the current patch.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

How is thrall not neutral? What has he done for the horde against the alliance after cataclysm? He isnt a member of the horde, he gives doomhammer to alliance players, he sits in dalaran and is never hostile to the alliance or their leaders ever.

The main story of the zone was malfurion and tyrande. Its not an exaggeration or a lie... the climax is all about saving malfurion.

Its not blatant lies you just refuse to accept that just like you sat through a stupid orc wedding horde had to help 2 alliance lore characters find eachother.

Have you even played the Game?

The zone is about corruption, druids, and the Green Dragons. Part of it does involve Malf+Tyrande. But it wasn't as going on a huge quest chain to help Thrall end his inner demons, get married, and have a child. Not even close.

Legion aside, Thrall has not been neutral. And I doubt he will be for much longer.

[Aquinan]

So much QQ'in from allies in here. You got to sack Org, you can all fuck off.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

So much QQ'in from allies in here. You got to sack Org, you can all fuck off.

Org was never sacked.

[Aquinan]

Org was never sacked.

Siege and attack then.

[God Dragon]

Have you even played the Game?

The zone is about corruption, druids, and the Green Dragons. Part of it does involve Malf+Tyrande. But it wasn't as going on a huge quest chain to help Thrall end his inner demons, get married, and have a child. Not even close.

Legion aside, Thrall has not been neutral. And I doubt he will be for much longer.

Part of it? You mean the most imporatant part... the climax of the entire zone!
Its pretty close no matter how biased towards alliance you are. Denying it just makes you look more biased dude.
Actually saying thrall is less neutral than malf/tyrande LOL

Legion aside, thrall has not been neutral? Like when?
And what reasons do you think he wont be for much longer?

I mean I can clearly see malfurion and sylvanas fighting and tyrande threatening saurfang, what has thrall done? Or are you just making up bull shit to pretend you have a point... i know how much you alliance players love doing that.

Basically the one time alliance help a neutral orc its horde favoritism and no matter how many times the horde has to help neutral humans, night elves, dwarves w.e its just fair cause reasons. Even when the next patch over they are hostile to the horde its still just fair gameplay and they are still neutral. Gotcha.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

I seriously can't stand people like you. You're the reason blizzard can't come up with a proper story. Constantly they have to please children who can't see the whole picture because they only see Warcraft from a horde or alliance point of view. In the long run, these sort of the demands just hurt Warcraft. Let them tell the story and stick to playing the video game.

[Torrasque]

I admit, if you only play Alliance it must be kind of a bummer to lose Teldrassil, get duped at Lordaeron, and have Stormwind infiltrated and almost burned down all one after another, but a lot of Horde aren't exactly happy with everything that's happened either. From a Horde perspective, their warchief just got turned into a villain again, the Alliance turned the supposedly awesome azerite war machine into a joke, and they were backed into a corner and had to bomb their own city which was all for nothing since they couldn't even kill one of the Alliance leaders.

Both sides have gotten a raw deal. Either wait and see how the expansion plays out or if you're really that unhappy just unsubscribe.

"Oh man, we've been conquering territory and denying the Alliance victory, but we're totally pissed off about winning so much because of our "morally grey" winning warchief."

In all seriousness, as a Horde player, I can understand Alliance disdain. Quests in the early expansion puts Alliance on defense in two of the three leveling zones that they have against Horde agression... It will be very disheartening to play defense, again, as Alliance when leveling, then find that the ability to "attack" Horde is gated by reputation.

[rogueMatthias]

Yeah OP is dead on.

The Battle for Teldrassil Alliance just looked like idiots that got played.

If you play the battle for Lordearon on Alliance side, we spend most of it getting owned and just running to our expected deaths. Anduin is literally like "Well, Horde are far suprior here so we're probably all going to die but keep fighting..." If Jaina and the Void Elves hadn't shown up conveniently on time, the entire Alliance armies would have been completely destroyed by Sylvanas with ease. Then Sylvanas just takes the entire victory away from Alliance anyway on her own terms.

OP You're missing out how the Horde then goes to Stormwind and sets fire to everything while Alliance are running round clueless.

Then, whilst fleeing Alliance sends an fleet to capture the boats.... which are ALL entirely destoroyed instantly by the Zandalari in yet another "Look how awesome the Horde is" moment.

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Sylvanas will likely get some sort of redemption arc, I'm not really sold on her being a villain.

I don't think she will. From all of the interviews, I genuinely think that Blizzard love her and think this is all just her being a Wolverine/Punisher style anti-hero badass.

Think of it this way. With the burning of Teldrassil, we had clues what was going to happen but Blizzard kept saying "Wait till you see what really happens" and "if you wait you'll like it.." etc etc. Then we see the cinematic.... and it IS just Sylvanas burning the tree and causing genocide. What was it about this that Blizzard was expecting us to change our minds about? What did they think that if we "wait and see" Horde players would be happy?

I think to them it was a Horde fist-pump "Sylvanas is awesome!" moment, rather than a "Sylvanas is nuts and genocidal and shouldn't be leading the Horde" moment. I'm half expecting her to be the hero of the expansion, fighting the void.

[anaxie]

Yes Turalyon and alleria did more against the legion than any horde character. How does balnazzar made to look like an idiot in wow by sylvanas? And doesnt the paladin player kill him for ashbringer? somehow making him and varimathris look foolish is an accomplishment on par with actively fighting the burning legion on their turf for 10k years?

The alliance and horde dont kill archimonde? Malfurion blows a horn with a bunch of wisps that do? Unless you mean WoD which is only thanks to khadgar and the rings.

Blood elves repelled unsummoned KJ cool. Velen alleria and turalyon were part of the force that beat the legion.
Illidan does not come in by himself and beat the legion you are so full of shit its ridiculous. Once again making up bull shit and half truths to pretend you have a point.

Illidan, velen and an army with a fucking spaceship came to help the lightforged.

You didn't argue at all about genn having more lore than nathanos because you know you were lying.
You didn't argue that sylvanas wasn't in the spot light at all until BFA because you know you were lying.
You didn't argue that the only time sylvanas/garrosh got popular was when blizzard made them look like potential raid bosses.
You didn't argue that sylvanas didn't get her main story stolen by human characters.

Instead you added random tidbits of lore to try to make it look like turalyon and alleria did nothing. All you guys do is ignore my points and keep adding more unimportant bull shit to keep your pathetic argument going. You are wrong get over it.

name a single thing the Army of the Light accomplished in 10k years against the legion until the final month when Azeroth came to save the day.

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Yeah OP is dead on.

The Battle for Teldrassil Alliance just looked like idiots that got played.

If you play the battle for Lordearon on Alliance side, we spend most of it getting owned and just running to our expected deaths. Anduin is literally like "Well, Horde are far suprior here so we're probably all going to die but keep fighting..." If Jaina and the Void Elves hadn't shown up conveniently on time, the entire Alliance armies would have been completely destroyed by Sylvanas with ease. Then Sylvanas just takes the entire victory away from Alliance anyway on her own terms.

OP You're missing out how the Horde then goes to Stormwind and sets fire to everything while Alliance are running round clueless.

Then, whilst fleeing Alliance sends an fleet to capture the boats.... which are ALL entirely destoroyed instantly by the Zandalari in yet another "Look how awesome the Horde is" moment.

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I don't think she will. From all of the interviews, I genuinely think that Blizzard love her and think this is all just her being a Wolverine/Punisher style anti-hero badass.

Think of it this way. With the burning of Teldrassil, we had clues what was going to happen but Blizzard kept saying "Wait till you see what really happens" and "if you wait you'll like it.." etc etc. Then we see the cinematic.... and it IS just Sylvanas burning the tree and causing genocide. What was it about this that Blizzard was expecting us to change our minds about? What did they think that if we "wait and see" Horde players would be happy?

I think to them it was a Horde fist-pump "Sylvanas is awesome!" moment, rather than a "Sylvanas is nuts and genocidal and shouldn't be leading the Horde" moment. I'm half expecting her to be the hero of the expansion, fighting the void.

people TRY to fault sylvanas for the genocide but heres the kicker.

the alliance have been trying to commit genocide against the forsaken since they formed and the Blood Elves have had the Alliance attempt to mass execute them twice.

Then we can talk about what the Humans did to the Orcs and Trolls.

Doesnt feel so good when genocide goes the opposite way does it.

Unfortunately The Horde gets the Ancient Empire of Zandalar and the Alliance gets 1/3 of Kul'Tiras after a population purge because the vast majority were corrupt or acolytes of N'zoth.

[Vishy]

You've already had an ENTIRE RAID (SoO) So no, you cant have a damn victory for once. Lmfao

[Gurluas]

You've already had an ENTIRE RAID (SoO) So no, you cant have a damn victory for once. Lmfao

A raid focusing on the Horde Rebellion and Vol'jin which ended with the Alliance getting nothing?
Why even bring it up?

If the Alliance occupied Org and actually held it that'd be one thing...

[Malikath]

Don't forget the plethora of alliance cities and content that was nuked off the map since cataclysm with no replacements.
If you play alliance you essentially get less content.

this is factually true in cata, almost half the alliance content was cut due to time constraints.

[iamthedevil]

name a single thing the Army of the Light accomplished in 10k years against the legion until the final month when Azeroth came to save the day.

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people TRY to fault sylvanas for the genocide but heres the kicker.

the alliance have been trying to commit genocide against the forsaken since they formed and the Blood Elves have had the Alliance attempt to mass execute them twice.

Then we can talk about what the Humans did to the Orcs and Trolls.

Doesnt feel so good when genocide goes the opposite way does it.

Unfortunately The Horde gets the Ancient Empire of Zandalar and the Alliance gets 1/3 of Kul'Tiras after a population purge because the vast majority were corrupt or acolytes of N'zoth.

I guess you are not aware that a similar thing is going on in Zandalar with Zul and his followers....

Also, holding off the Legion on their own home planet for 10k years is pretty impressive. They should have been obliterated a long time ago, but somehow held their ground.

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this is factually true in cata, almost half the alliance content was cut due to time constraints.

How is that factually true, you have a response from blizzard that says so? The alliance had many more settlements than the horde pre cata. The sundering actually made it more even.

[LiPiNo]

Seriously WHAT THE FUCK! As horde you start with epic jailbreak from Stormwind with Jaina on your ass and as Alliance you start with fucking one of the most powerfull mages scolded by frigis mother and her FAT FUCKING SJW (makeup!) "advisor" and you start naked in fucking cell. I had laugh in this thread before, but this is fucking nonsense.