Zandalari even more arrogant than Elves

[Melsiren]

Don’t jinx it, Rastakhan already quoted Arthas...

What can we say, he knows when he sees potential.

[Kwento]

What can we say, he knows when he sees potential.

It’s hard not to notice all that potential when it’s practically being shoved down your throat XD

[Malikath]

Which is actually kind of funny/ironic given Zul's original "plans" for Zandalar's rulership.

which ones? invading another country to find a new homeland after he prophesied the cataclysm and rastakhan exiled him with his followers.
then after we put a kibosh on that they immediately resurrect one of the few curve-ball bosses that was a legitimate threat to the horde and the alliance due to the titan-keeper powers he stole.
then it seems he went ahead and decided to join the old gods and take his frustrations on the proud naive king.

[Kwento]

which ones? invading another country to find a new homeland after he prophesied the cataclysm and rastakhan exiled him with his followers.
then after we put a kibosh on that they immediately resurrect one of the few curve-ball bosses that was a legitimate threat to the horde and the alliance due to the titan-keeper powers he stole.
then it seems he went ahead and decided to join the old gods and take his frustrations on the proud naive king.

No... He’s talking solely about the events in Zuldazar.

[Aucald]

which ones? invading another country to find a new homeland after he prophesied the cataclysm and rastakhan exiled him with his followers.
then after we put a kibosh on that they immediately resurrect one of the few curve-ball bosses that was a legitimate threat to the horde and the alliance due to the titan-keeper powers he stole.
then it seems he went ahead and decided to join the old gods and take his frustrations on the proud naive king.

Well, I feel like the reason for undead-hating is mostly their religious views, no? Zul is... Not as religious as most other trolls out there XD

Spoiler for the Zuldazar quest-chain and zone story:

At the end of the Zuldazar, Zul betrays Rastakhan and rallies the majority of the Zanchuli council to his cause. His end-game, until being stopped by Rastakhan, Talanji, and the Speaker of the Horde is to use the knowledge he gained from Pandaria resurrecting Lei Shen to resurrect the long-dead first king of Zandalar, Dazar, as his puppet. You contend with the undead form of Dazar in the King's Rest dungeon in Zuldazar, putting an end to this plot by Zul. What was funny is that Zul and many of the others lampoon the Horde for being led by an undead being, when they themselves planned on doing the same thing by raising one of their own.

[3DTyrant]

well they are a horde race, they have to have delusions of grandeur.

Bit like how the Alliance has a "Holier Than Thou" mentality and think they can nothing wrong then, huh?

[Malikath]

Spoiler for the Zuldazar quest-chain and zone story:

At the end of the Zuldazar, Zul betrays Rastakhan and rallies the majority of the Zanchuli council to his cause. His end-game, until being stopped by Rastakhan, Talanji, and the Speaker of the Horde is to use the knowledge he gained from Pandaria resurrecting Lei Shen to resurrect the long-dead first king of Zandalar, Dazar, as his puppet. You contend with the undead form of Dazar in the King's Rest dungeon in Zuldazar, putting an end to this plot by Zul. What was funny is that Zul and many of the others lampoon the Horde for being led by an undead being, when they themselves planned on doing the same thing by raising one of their own.

in MoP the trolls do full resurrection through sacrifices, not a necromantic raising.

[Aucald]

in MoP the trolls do full resurrection through sacrifices, not a necromantic raising.

Not quite how it works in King's Rest, would seem - either because the length of time Dazar has been dead compared to Lei Shen, or other factors we're not privy to.

[Destinas]

I kind of expected the Zandalari to be arrogant, since we've seen them acting as such even with other trolls since Vanilla. The other times we've seen them before MoP, they were sent to police the Gurubashi and Drakkari. In Cata, Zul's forces were sent to rebuild the Gurubashi and Amani (under the rule of Zul), but that wasn't the mindset of all Zandalari, as we've seen. Then, in MoP we saw how arrogant they really can be - nearly every Zandalari boss or major quest mob outwardly considered us "lesser races" (though, the Mogu and Thunder King openly called the trolls "filth" which makes them even more arrogant than Zandalari or elves). The only time we see Zandalari that aren't arrogant are during the Zul'Gurub quests in Cata (which were sent by Rastakhan) and the shipwrecked Zandalari in Azsuna (which have no real specific lines).

However, we're seeing them through a different lens now, because we're being escorted personally by Talanji when we arrive in Zandalar, and we're given special treatment personally by Rastakhan to be the Speaker of the Horde. Clearly, Talanji is meant to be different than the other trolls - more open-minded, while still being a devout Zandalari priestess. It would be different if we were elves, orcs, or even Darkspear that just landed at Zuldazar and started walking around.

[Goldielocks]

well they are a horde race, they have to have delusions of grandeur.

Both the Alliance and Horde have Elves, so...

[citation needed]

[Aucald]

Lei shen died 12000 years ago, so it's likely the latter in this case.

Also, in regards to Jakra'zet being arrogant, he is a sand troll, so him being arrogant doesn't reflect the zandalari as a whole. When you first meet him he even tells you that he won't allow you to ruin everything he's built for himself there. Kinda makes one wonder what his story is, and if he might have been present when we massacred zul'farrak back in the day or something. In any case, he sure doesn't seem to be particularly fond of the horde, for whatever reason.

Dazar is the first king of the Zandalarai Empire, and the Trolls were one of the first intelligence humanoid races to grace the face of Azeroth - I would imagine he's older than Lei Shen, though by how much is uncertain. Jakra'zet, while exceedingly arrogant, isn't alone in expressing arrogance - even the rank and file of the Zandalari have snarky things to say about the Horde in general and the Speaker in specific.

[Khaza-R]

Its pretty refreshing to have a race more arrogant than elves. Which is an overused trope in fantasy. Although I think with the Nightborne its really debatable.

[omeomorfismo]

Not quite how it works in King's Rest, would seem - either because the length of time Dazar has been dead compared to Lei Shen, or other factors we're not privy to.

lei shen reversed the curse of flesh, so technically he wasnt "alive" when he died, he was a sentient construct

[Aucald]

lei shen reversed the curse of flesh, so technically he wasnt "alive" when he died, he was a sentient construct

That is true, he was also "re-originated" as opposed to straight-up being killed, so who's to say what kind of effect resurrection or reanimation would have on him.

[Malikath]

Both the Alliance and Horde have Elves, so...

[citation needed]

yeah and sylvanus was starting to style herself as a goddess of destruction.
there's a vast difference in orders of magnitude.

[Shelly]

The Zandalari are a priestly caste of Trolls who've held themselves apart from other Trolls, and the rest of Azeroth, since time out of mind. They've shaped history, weathered upheavals, and grown in power despite numerous setbacks - it goes without saying that they're going to be hidebound, prideful, and generally very aloof. Most of the Elves of Azeroth have been humbled and sought out alliances with the Alliance or the Horde out of a need for protection and support. The Horde are coming to the Zandalari for their support, which puts the Zandalari in a place of implicit power (and they're very aware of it).

They are an insular priest caste that until Cataclysm came along held themselves above the other trolls yet still meddled in their affairs. Although I'd suppose considering themselves the guardians of the Loa and not wanting the resurrection of the Blood God Hakkar makes a lot of sense, but they still recruited Alliance and Horde to get it done.

They may have a strong navy, but their protectionist policies have led to their influence becoming weaker, their numbers smaller and their territory smaller.

They can only speak from a position of power because the Horde needs that navy.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

Both the Alliance and Horde have Elves, so...

[citation needed]

talking about zandalari yo. read.

[ashblond]

Yeah, it’s a little strange, but then again, this elf Horde is begging for their help. In this moment they have the Horde’s mightiest hero, with one of the Horde’s leader and even Warchief’s champion all asking what they could do for them. Zandalari are in a position of power, perhaps that’s what dulls down racism?
As for being arrogant, Zandalari empire is the oldest empire on Azeroth and Zuldazar is the oldest city. While they spent their time being awesome, night elf empires fell twice, races mutated and changed, cities started to fly and who knows what else. As far as a general Zandalari would be concerned, his empire is the best thing Azeroth has ever produced.

I don't understand how the city Zuldaza can be older than night elf cities like Suramar.
We know Suramar is at least 10,000 years old, because it was there before the sundering.
There is no source shows that Zuldazar was created before the sundering.

[Syegfryed]

Spoiler for the Zuldazar quest-chain and zone story:

At the end of the Zuldazar, Zul betrays Rastakhan and rallies the majority of the Zanchuli council to his cause. His end-game, until being stopped by Rastakhan, Talanji, and the Speaker of the Horde is to use the knowledge he gained from Pandaria resurrecting Lei Shen to resurrect the long-dead first king of Zandalar, Dazar, as his puppet. You contend with the undead form of Dazar in the King's Rest dungeon in Zuldazar, putting an end to this plot by Zul. What was funny is that Zul and many of the others lampoon the Horde for being led by an undead being, when they themselves planned on doing the same thing by raising one of their own.

good to see they are correlating things from another expansions, giving a deep meaning to zul travels, so don't look like a plot hole or asspull

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I don't understand how the city Zuldaza can be older than night elf cities like Suramar.
We know Suramar is at least 10,000 years old, because it was there before the sundering.
There is no source shows that Zuldazar was created before the sundering.

if night elves come from dark trolls, who come from forest trolls, who come from zandalari, you can expect the zandalari cities in their ancient empire are older than the night elf cities

[omeomorfismo]

I don't understand how the city Zuldaza can be older than night elf cities like Suramar.
We know Suramar is at least 10,000 years old, because it was there before the sundering.
There is no source shows that Zuldazar was created before the sundering.

the source in on pag 70-72 of chronicle 1