Threadripper Build For Workstation / Gaming

[jacktheking]

Dear Mmochamp Community ,

You helped me build my last PC 3-4 Years ago , Would appreciate help again .

Budget : upto 6000$ ( Want to save for future upgrades if parts not required )

Resolution : Ultra wide - Primary / 4k - Side

Games / Settings Desired : Ultra

Any other intensive software or special things you do :

Virtual servers , Encoding

Parts that can be reused
1080ti
SSD & HDD's .

Do you need an OS?
Yes

Do you need peripherals (e.g. monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc)?
No

Preferred Specs :
Amd : 2950x ( Intel Equivalent is double price not sure if it's worth it , 16 Core should be huge upgrade from my existing 6 core )
Ram : 64 Speed : ? Brand : ?
Motherboard : ?
SSD : M2 1TB Brand : ?
CPU Cooler : ? ( Liquid Cooler only if low / no maintenance )
PSU : Corsair / Antec ( Platinum )

CPU Case : Full tower with low maintenance on cleaning / Low noise / Glass case if possible ( Can swap to new fans )


Overclock :
Would love to get stable clocks at 4 Ghz + For daily use .

Thank you

[Temp name]

Something like:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X52 Liquid CPU Cooler ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Crosshair VII Hero ATX AM4 Motherboard ($258.37 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair - Dominator Platinum 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($776.27 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($449.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - H700i ATX Mid Tower Case ($189.49 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG348Q 34.0" 3440x1440 100Hz Monitor ($899.00 @ Amazon)
Monitor: LG - 24UD58-B 23.8" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($243.80 @ Amazon)
Total: $3141.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-17 10:13 EDT-0400
AiO liquid coolers are fairly plug and play, you just put it on like you would any other cooler, attach the rad to the case and you go. I left out the CPU since you already found one you want, a GPU since you got one for re-use (Depending on how the 2080 performs it might be worth buying though), and you had additional storage.

Wasn't sure if you also needed the monitors, so I included some I'd be happy with. The ultra-wide is "only" 100hz, since there's no monitor on the market that can do 144hz. If you want 120hz you can grab this for $100 more:
Monitor: Acer - Predator X34 34.0" 3440x1440 120Hz Monitor ($999.99 @ Amazon)

About the overclock: Not sure how well the CPU OC's considering it's not out yet, but the Kraken x52 should be able to cool it properly.

As for Motherboard: I'm probably not a good person to ask, I'm of the opinion that you just buy the cheapest one with the features you want, since I personally don't OC my stuff super aggressively, so VRM cooling isn't really that important for what I do, but the Crosshair VII Hero seems to be fairly well regarded from what reading I did.

If you absolutely want to spend all of your budget, find a more expensive case, something like the Inwin 909, and fill it up with M.2 drives:
Case: Inwin - 909 BLACK ATX Full Tower Case ($438.00 @ Amazon)

[Thunderball]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Thermaltake - Floe Riing RGB 360 TT Premium Edition 42.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($174.04 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($900.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($349.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake - View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case ($169.96 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 1200W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus - ROG SWIFT PG348Q 34.0" 3440x1440 100Hz Monitor ($899.00 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell - U2718Q 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $3193.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-17 10:10 EDT-0400

CPU: 2950X
Mobo: MSI X399 MEG Creation

[Deleted]

If you are hell bent on an all core 4ghz the MSI board given by Thunderball would be a good bet. The M/B given by Temp Name is wholly incompatible (incorrect socket/chipset). I would go with a non Corsair PSU as well from my experiences, which range from duff fans on their cheap CWT stuff(+1 smoking failure with a CX) to whine on the more expensive RM/i ranges (have not used AX/HX ranges though).

The gskill memory is b-die and will probably run at 3400 even with the better stock timings and a 10% increase in voltage. I think that Corsair kit is Hynix, which isn't a big problem, but with 4 slots and threadripper I think I'd bite the bullet and get the quicker gskill memory, with the potential to eek out a little more as well.

[jacktheking]

If you are hell bent on an all core 4ghz the MSI board given by Thunderball would be a good bet. The M/B given by Temp Name is wholly incompatible (incorrect socket/chipset). I would go with a non Corsair PSU as well from my experiences, which range from duff fans on their cheap CWT stuff(+1 smoking failure with a CX) to whine on the more expensive RM/i ranges (have not used AX/HX ranges though).

The gskill memory is b-die and will probably run at 3400 even with the better stock timings and a 10% increase in voltage. I think that Corsair kit is Hynix, which isn't a big problem, but with 4 slots and threadripper I think I'd bite the bullet and get the quicker gskill memory, with the potential to eek out a little more as well.

Thank you for feedback , Just checked that Mobo it's a beast !

[Temp name]

The M/B given by Temp Name is wholly incompatible (incorrect socket/chipset).

Ah, sorry. Really don't get the newer AMD sockets, figured it'd fit the 2950x since it fit the 2700, apparently not.

[Thunderball]

If you are hell bent on an all core 4ghz the MSI board given by Thunderball would be a good bet. The M/B given by Temp Name is wholly incompatible (incorrect socket/chipset). I would go with a non Corsair PSU as well from my experiences, which range from duff fans on their cheap CWT stuff(+1 smoking failure with a CX) to whine on the more expensive RM/i ranges (have not used AX/HX ranges though).

The gskill memory is b-die and will probably run at 3400 even with the better stock timings and a 10% increase in voltage. I think that Corsair kit is Hynix, which isn't a big problem, but with 4 slots and threadripper I think I'd bite the bullet and get the quicker gskill memory, with the potential to eek out a little more as well.

RMx (both 2015 and 2018 versions) are completely fine, CX have improved a lot with the latest rendition - DC-DC converters on such a cheap PSU is impressive, but cap usage is still questionable. Those Corsair mem modules are most likely Hynix or Samsung C-die, which is not bad in itself - you still might get the same clocks, but b-die timings are gonna be a lot lower.

[jacktheking]

Which mobo will you recommend then , would be nice if it supports Zen 2 also .

[Thunderball]

Which mobo will you recommend then , would be nice if it supports Zen 2 also .

Zen 2 is an architecture name. There are gonna be both Threadripper and Ryzen CPUs based on that. Threadripper and Ryzen CPUs use different socket types, so no single motherboard will ever support both.

[jacktheking]

Zen 2 is an architecture name. There are gonna be both Threadripper and Ryzen CPUs based on that. Threadripper and Ryzen CPUs use different socket types, so no single motherboard will ever support both.

Yes Zen 2 Threadripper , hopefully they support Zen 1 mobo's .

I have shortlisted Mobos for now :

1. ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME
2. ASRock X399 Taichi
3. MSI MEG X399 CREATION
4. GIGABYTE X399 Designare

So above should support 2950x right ?

[Thunderball]

Yes Zen 2 Threadripper , hopefully they support Zen 1 mobo's .

I have shortlisted Mobos for now :

1. ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME
2. ASRock X399 Taichi
3. MSI MEG X399 CREATION
4. GIGABYTE X399 Designare

So above should support 2950x right ?

Right. Considering that you want a daily 4GHz overclock I wouldnt consider any mobos except MEG Creation, solely on a basis of Vcore VRM qualities of these boards: Asus/Asrock - 8 phase 60A powerstages, Gigabyte - 8 phase 50A powerstages, MSI - doubled 16 phase 70A powerstages.

[Deleted]

Right. Considering that you want a daily 4GHz overclock I wouldnt consider any mobos except MEG Creation, solely on a basis of Vcore VRM qualities of these boards: Asus/Asrock - 8 phase 60A powerstages, Gigabyte - 8 phase 50A powerstages, MSI - doubled 16 phase 70A powerstages.

Right, only MSI has an OC'ing board at the moment. I would imagine that 500-550w+ for cpu only is quite doable even on a 2950x, slightly higher than the 1950x.

It's pretty impossible to know if zen2 will be supported on tr4/x399. But spanking another few hundred $ in 2 years if it doesn't isn't the worst thing, relative to the cost of the CPU and evolving I.0/likely ddr5.

[jacktheking]

Hey guys just an updated on this Build :

2950x is still getting delayed in my country , Yes it's dreadful still no eta on retailers .

2990x is available ,
If i play games on my free time i play on Ultra wide 3440x1440 100z & 4k Sony Oled TV so cpu bottleneck will be low at high resolution .
For work it be too powerful which is not bad but might never use full power .

Another thing which is holding my purchase is high power consumption on 2990x hitting 500w on OC , almost double power consumption but double performance for work related .

Let me know should i wait or go 2990x or 1st Gen 1950x .

Thank you .

[Thunderball]

Hey guys just an updated on this Build :

2950x is still getting delayed in my country , Yes it's dreadful still no eta on retailers .

2990x is available ,
If i play games on my free time i play on Ultra wide 3440x1440 100z & 4k Sony Oled TV so cpu bottleneck will be low at high resolution .
For work it be too powerful which is not bad but might never use full power .

Another thing which is holding my purchase is high power consumption on 2990x hitting 500w on OC , almost double power consumption but double performance for work related .

Let me know should i wait or go 2990x or 1st Gen 1950x .

Thank you .

I would go 1950x. Granted it doesnt clock as high as a 2950x, but it should be about 15-20% less power consumption on it's max all core overlock (should be around 3.7-3.8). There is not as much of a difference between original Threadripper and Threadripper 2 as it is between Ryzen and Ryzen 2, when core counts are the same.

[jacktheking]

I would go 1950x. Granted it doesnt clock as high as a 2950x, but it should be about 15-20% less power consumption on it's max all core overlock (should be around 3.7-3.8). There is not as much of a difference between original Threadripper and Threadripper 2 as it is between Ryzen and Ryzen 2, when core counts are the same.

I have decided to go 2990wx , Please review this :

Amd Ryzen Threadripper 2 2990WX - 32 Core 64 Threads ( Available )
MSI MEG X 399 Creation Motherboard ( Available )
Ram : Gskill F4-3200C16Q 64 GB ( Available )
Samsung 970 m2 EVO 1TB ( Available )

CPU Cooler : NZXT Kraken X72 ( Please recommend best cooler , I read somewhere Kraken x72 die does not cover full die of TR2 )

CPU Case Fan : All upgraded Noctua

Power supply : Antech 1300W

HDD : 4TB WDD Black

GPU : 1080ti Amp extreme ( From Old system )

Thank you

[andrewjoy]

If your set on the 2990WX i would invest in process lasso, that way you can easily set your games to run on a single die without the need of the stupid game mode.

The problem with the 2990 is that 2 of the cores are not directly connected to ram , they have to hop over the infinity fabric to access it , increasing latency by quite a bit.

Honestly unless you need the 32 cores for something i would just get the 2950x , it will be much better for games by orders of magnitude .

[Thunderball]

Ram : Gskill F4-3200C16Q 64 GB ( Available )

CL16 suggests that it's not the type of memory chips you want. Go for 3200 CL14.

CPU Cooler : NZXT Kraken X72 ( Please recommend best cooler , I read somewhere Kraken x72 die does not cover full die of TR2 )

You heard right, and the X62 > X72 refresh made the cold plate even smaller. Enermax makes CLCs specifically designed for Threadripper, so I'd go with that. It's Enermax Liqtech TR4 II 360.

Power supply : Antech 1300W

I assume you're talking about HCP-1300 Platinum. It's a very good PSU but if it's going to be significantly more expensive than the competition there might be better options. I'd guess you're ordering from Germany.

[jacktheking]

You heard right, and the X62 > X72 refresh made the cold plate even smaller. Enermax makes CLCs specifically designed for Threadripper, so I'd go with that. It's Enermax Liqtech TR4 II 360.

Enermax Liqtech TR4 II 360 may not be available , I am planning to go for : Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 .

I have decided to keep this system for work only and use the 64 Core powa !

Will be building Intel dedicated gaming build next year with new nvidia GPU , For now pure gaming on my old system i7 5820k / 1080ti

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CL16 suggests that it's not the type of memory chips you want. Go for 3200 CL14.

May i know what is the difference on them ?

[Shakadam]

May i know what is the difference on them ?

Different manufacturers and "types" of RAM. 3200Mhz CL14 are all Samsung B-die chips, which work best with all Ryzen CPU's (highest speeds and lowest timing).
3200Mhz CL16 can be Samsung B-die, but it's more likely to be any of Samsung E or D die or Hynix A or M die.

Anything above 3200Mhz should also be Samsung B-die or possibly Hynix M-die.

[Thunderball]

Enermax Liqtech TR4 II 360 may not be available , I am planning to go for : Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 .

I have decided to keep this system for work only and use the 64 Core powa !

Will be building Intel dedicated gaming build next year with new nvidia GPU , For now pure gaming on my old system i7 5820k / 1080ti

Any air cooler is completely inadequate for a 32 core even in stock. Even for a 24 core. If you want your CPU to reach boost clocks without throttling you have to get 280/360mm AIO.

May i know what is the difference on them ?

Ryzen/Threadripper memory controllers are very sensitive and scale very well with fast memory. Memory that can do 3200/CL14 XMP typically uses high quality memory chips.

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Different manufacturers and "types" of RAM. 3200Mhz CL14 are all Samsung B-die chips, which work best with all Ryzen CPU's (highest speeds and lowest timing).
3200Mhz CL16 can be Samsung B-die, but it's more likely to be any of Samsung E or D die or Hynix A or M die.

Anything above 3200Mhz should also be Samsung B-die or possibly Hynix M-die.

Well technically 3200/CL14 can be Hynix A-die too but it's pretty rare.